Dublin Bus stages and pricing, again.

techguy

Hey Guys,

My commute is between Clareville Rd (Stop 2472) to Camden Street (Stop 1285).

For the past month i've been paying the €1.25 (leap) fare and have often been challenged by the driver as to which stop I was getting off. Never a problem with the fare.

This morning the driver was charging me the €1.70. He was adamant that it was correct. He told me it was €1.70 from the stop I got on.

I had a quick scout on the Dublin Bus site and while I found the fare list for the various stages, I had no way of finding out which stop were in which zones.

What to do?

LXFlyer

This really is not that complicated.

The stages are listed at the bottom of each timetable page. Here is the 83 timetable and stage list:
http://dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/83/

The rules are here:
http://dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Fare-Information/

From your stop, the appropriate stage is the one before your stop, Stage 68, Larkfield Gardens (your stop is between stages).

From there €1.25 will take you to stage 71, Lower Rathmines Road (Richmond Hill), outside St Mary's College.

How did you decide the fare was €1.25 in the first place?

The driver was quite correct.

techguy

lxflyer wrote: »

This really is not that complicated.

The stages are listed at the bottom of each timetable page.

The rules are here:
http://dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Fare-Information/

From your stop, the appropriate stage is Stage 68, Larkfield Gardens (your stop is between stages).

From there €1.25 will take you to stage 71, Lower Rathmines Road (Richmond Hill), outside St Mary's College.

The driver was quite correct.

Ok, thanks for that.

I'll have a better look at that page later, I was on my phone just now.

Thanks.

Condatis

But if you don't have a timetable to hand how do you identify the stages?

I have not noticed any numbers on bus stops other than the bus stop number.

LXFlyer

You ask the driver.

Trampas

can never understand why the web site can't calculate the fare even though you can select stop to stop you want to go.

LXFlyer

There was a report here a while back that such a fare calculator was in the pipeline.

CIE

lxflyer wrote: »

You ask the driver.

That will extend dwell times. It's still illegal to talk to the driver when the bus is in motion, after all.

This kind of thing bolsters the case for flat fares. No question as to what the fare is then, and no quibbling. Also saves on paper; no need for ticket retention since it would not be questionable as to whether or not someone on the bus paid his/her fare. If you're going to keep the stage system, you may as well bring back conductors, who can monitor stages and fare control thereof far more efficiently than the driver can, and which will speed boarding/alighting by removing the burden of fare collection from the driver.

AlekSmart

lxflyer wrote: »

This really is not that complicated.

The stages are listed at the bottom of each timetable page. Here is the 83 timetable and stage list:
http://dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/83/

The rules are here:
http://dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Fare-Information/

From your stop, the appropriate stage is the one before your stop, Stage 68, Larkfield Gardens (your stop is between stages).

From there €1.25 will take you to stage 71, Lower Rathmines Road (Richmond Hill), outside St Mary's College.

How did you decide the fare was €1.25 in the first place?

The driver was quite correct.

Sorry Lx,but it is most certainly complicated and unnecessary also.

This person (and many Drivers also) have NO method of identifying either their origin or destination stage and thereby no means of calculating anything.

Roll back ten years and one sees every Fare-Stage point clearly identified on-street with the simple printed STAGE XX :eek:

The Fare-Stage system cannot operate effectively (or legally IMO) without it's basic constituent being visible to all concerned.

I have no idea who took the decision to obliterate ALL Fare-Stage markings from the system,whilst failing to notify staff or customers of this fact.

I'm of the opinion that if a person wished to take a stand on the matter in a court,a Judge would accept a defence that since all identifying marks had deliberately been deleted by the Company several years previously,it then had decided that the entire Fare-Stage system was therefore inoperable.

That,I feel,is the only reasonable view to be taken of the current situation.

The imminent arrival of Automatic Stage Updating will,of course in true Irish style,solve a maunfactured problem and will in the short-term lead to some very wide eyed Busdrivers and Customers as Fare-Stages sudenly pop-up in heretofore unthought of places :eek:

LXFlyer

I don't disagree about the lack on-street markings, but Larkfield Gardens and Rathmines Road (Richmond Hill) on the stage listings are pretty specific.

devnull

But you must admit Dublin Bus don't help themselves by removing all stage guides from on street information?

Previously carousel timetables and bus shelter display timetables carried stage names and numbers. Now the only place they can be found is online.

AlekSmart

devnull wrote: »

But you must admit Dublin Bus don't help themselves by removing all stage guides from on street information?

Previously carousel timetables and bus shelter display timetables carried stage names and numbers. Now the only place they can be found is online.

However,as the printed media takes precedent over any electronic means it appears that BAC effectively ask their Customer base to each carry on their person a copy of the entire Dublin Bus Printed Timetable rather like a breviary.

I am lost in admiration for whomever decided to totally incapicate the City's Fare Stage system by the original decision to obliterate the On-Street Markings....WHY ???

KD345

The fare stage system is a mess. It's been discussed many times here before and we're still no closer to having any real development to making using the bus any easier.

I was traveling with a friend recently who was using Leap card. They stated their destination and the driver charged the fare as €1.70. They make this journey a lot and it's usually €1.25. We checked online and right enough, it was only 3 stages. If the driver using the on board ticket machine can't figure it out, what chance is there for passengers. On a separate note, is it possible for a driver to correct an incorrect charge to a Leap Card?

I too would like to know why Dublin Bus redesigned all their timetable sheets to remove stage information from shelters. In some cases, the space was used to place an ad for fare evasion!

Also, why can't the stages online include the stop number where the stage boundary is. So, instead of having a stage point as simply "Terenure", shouldn't it really say (Stop xxx) considering there are lots of stops in Terenure. It's also a shame the new Dublin Bus app can't calculate the correct fare for passengers through a simple stop to stop system. They know the stops, they know the fares, so why not provide the information to passengers?