Remaking Dublin Bus Map - TEDxDublin

Just uploaded today and came across it, thought folks on this forum would appreciate it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVjkFq-7Y6A

Map designer Aris Venetikidis is fascinated by the maps we draw in our minds as we move around a city -- less like street maps, more like schematics or wiring diagrams, abstract images of relationships between places. How can we learn from these mental maps to make better real ones? As a test case, he remakes the notorious Dublin bus map. (Filmed at TEDxDublin)

[Jackass]

Here's a link to the map. Wish someone competant worked in Irish transport and would implement it.

http://www.venetikidis.com/ArisV/DUBLIN_TRANSPORT_MAP_files/DublinRapidNetwork_1.jpg

MJohnston

[Jackass] wrote: »

Here's a link to the map. Wish someone competant worked in Irish transport and would implement it.

http://www.venetikidis.com/ArisV/DUBLIN_TRANSPORT_MAP_files/DublinRapidNetwork_1.jpg

It's nicely designed, but I wonder about the viability of the re-done routes - I'm not sure how H/J are crossing the mouth of Grand Canal Dock for instance, or what tunnel are E/G using north of Broadstone?

noelfirl

It's a lovely mapping solution, but it's not an engineering solution. I remember hearing a Marian Finucane radio puff piece against Metro North a good while back when these maps first came out. On the basis that this gentleman had made an cheaper-then-MN estimate of putting in his suggested BRT system the general sway of the piece was that why the government weren't considering it :rolleyes:

As I say, lovely mapping solution, but as a functional solution it's not much above crayoning in random lines here and there. Apart from the oddities like the tunnels, it doesn't remotely consider the political ramifications of putting in that much BRT on not that wide roads, and how much local resistance there would be to loss of parking, gardens etc.

The NTA are apparently working on maps (or at least tendered for people to work on maps), he should be involved in that if anything, and applying his mapping solutions to realities of the current transport system.

TheChrisD

The "Larkin" route from Bray to Dunboyne? That'd be some journey, wonder how many times they'd have to switch drivers causing the usual hassle like we currently have :rolleyes:

V_Moth

TheChrisD wrote: »

The "Larkin" route from Bray to Dunboyne? That'd be some journey, wonder how many times they'd have to switch drivers causing the usual hassle like we currently have :rolleyes:

I think the point of the map was the create public transport corridors to use the resources more efficiently rather than as a plan for single routes.

For me, the video and maps presented within it show just what an absolute balls has been made with regards to planning and provisioning of public transport within the Greater Dublin area and Ireland as a whole.

The map also shows how easy it would be to implement a zone-based fare structure for Luas, Dublin Bus and the DART if these were merged into one unit responsible for public transport in Dublin.

monument

MJohnston wrote: »

It's nicely designed, but I wonder about the viability of the re-done routes - I'm not sure how H/J are crossing the mouth of Grand Canal Dock for instance, or what tunnel are E/G using north of Broadstone?

+100

I brought this up with his co-designers at the time and after a good bit of pushing he admitted it was something like an outline to inspire people rather than a practical and possable project (my words not theirs).

Which is sad because I think a decent BRT network has a strong potential to give Dublin a far better public transport network. But the project was still great for making people think what can be and making people think of BRT.

In another thread recently I was told BRT would not fit in Dublin - I don't think that's true. BRT as used in parts of France and the Netherlands would seem like a great fit for Dublin.

It would at times include removing or relocating parking or loading, but that's the same as Luas.

Rock of Gibraltar

monument wrote: »

+100

I brought this up with his co-designers at the time and after a good bit of pushing he admitted it was something like an outline to inspire people rather than a practical and possable project (my words not theirs).

Which is sad because I think a decent BRT network has a strong potential to give Dublin a far better public transport network. But the project was still great for making people think what can be and making people think of BRT.

In another thread recently I was told BRT would not fit in Dublin - I don't think that's true. BRT as used in parts of France and the Netherlands would seem like a great fit for Dublin.

It would at times include removing or relocating parking or loading, but that's the same as Luas.

Yeah I think Dublin is slowly creeping towards BRT and rightly so.

Another idea he seems to play with which I think Dublin should introduce is bus stations for easier and quicker bus interchange.

They're attractive maps though, does anyone know if he's going to produce one based on network direct information?

[Jackass]

I think the best achievement of this is having about 10 bus routes only that serve pretty much the greater Dublin area effectively, whilst also having excellent integration of all transport systems, rather than not only having every mode of transport seemingly running independently from each other at present, but every route on every mode of transport running independently from each other.

I think the mockery he makes of the bus system in the city centre is a major issue, and these massive trucks buses cause serious congestion as it is around quays and streets not designed for passage of so many massive vehicles.

I would envisage the new bus system in particular to be single decker buses which are designed for speed and mobility with rapid quantity, running at 5 minute intervals along each line, would probably be extremely achievable with current staffing numbers in Dublin bus, but providing an infinitely more efficient and better quality service compared to the current mess. Which it is, an absolute mess. As is most of Dublin transport.

The map also shows mass integration around Connolly / Tara St. Dart stations of all services, including a completely seperate DART line, which would take massive strain off the existing bottle neck of services there.

Funnily enough, during boom time money, this complete overhall of Dublin transport system would have been a very achievable goal. Something that is now no more than a pipe dream.

Noel Dempseys Den

[Jackass] wrote: »

Here's a link to the map. Wish someone competant worked in Irish transport and would implement it.

http://www.venetikidis.com/ArisV/DUBLIN_TRANSPORT_MAP_files/DublinRapidNetwork_1.jpg

Reminds me but in a good way of the "Great Bear" parody map of the London Underground, where line and station names were replaced by themes and names, such as the Saints Line and Comedians Line.

Naming bus routes doesn't make a bus a less crap way to travel though.

Carawaystick

I can't see why there are two bus routes from Swords to Malahide.
and none from Swords to Donabate, Rush, Lusk Skerries or Balbriggan

No Maynooth/Leixlip - Celbridge routes

No clearly defined Clonsilla Lucan route.

The bride st/St pats cathedral and Heyetsbury/ Leonard corner should be linked

Trinity college station is a pretty poor name for a stop. considering it extends from east of parts of Pearse station to College green

Dravokivich

I think it was meant to be more so the idea of how the info would be better displayed, instead of going ahead and publishing a complete one himself.