Gardai in NI??

twistyj · 26-09-2012 8:45pm #1

Just out of interest are the Gardaí allowed to cross the border and vice-versa with the PSNI??

Delancey · 26-09-2012 8:52pm

twistyj wrote: »

Just out of interest are the Gardaí allowed to cross the border and vice-versa with the PSNI??

Short answer is No. They do co-operate in cross border enquiries but they are not permitted to cross the border in ' hot pursuit '.

Mycroft H · 27-09-2012 1:52pm

Can they cross the border to get to somewhere quicker rather then going the long way around?

Mr Simpson · 27-09-2012 1:53pm

BX 19 wrote: »

Can they cross the border to get to somewhere quicker rather then going the long way around?

afaik, not in a marked car.

Terrontress · 27-09-2012 1:57pm

Isn't this the whole point of the Unionist delegation asking Enda Kenny for apologies about IRA operatives crossing the border?

The RUC were unable to continue their investigation across the border so many units were based there. A different time I suppose.

FloatingVoter · 27-09-2012 1:59pm

BX 19 wrote: »

Can they cross the border to get to somewhere quicker rather then going the long way around?

Just a guess here. It would make sense but could be used by a defence counsel to get the suspect off the charge on a technicality. .

tom traubert · 27-09-2012 2:03pm

BX 19 wrote: »

Can they cross the border to get to somewhere quicker rather then going the long way around?

Yes, but only by prior arrangement. I'm aware of it having been done in unmarked vehicles. I've no idea if a marked vehicle has ever done it. On the occasions that I'm aware of a discreet escort was provided.

Goonerdee · 27-09-2012 5:34pm

I think it is something they are going to look into.

It makes me wonder about the rest of the UK. Scotlands police forces are separate from England's and Wales' police forces, are the forces allowed to cross the English/Scottish border?

Terrontress · 27-09-2012 6:45pm

Goonerdee wrote: »

I think it is something they are going to look into.

It makes me wonder about the rest of the UK. Scotlands police forces are separate from England's and Wales' police forces, are the forces allowed to cross the English/Scottish border?

I saw an episode of Traffic Cops where they had arrested someone but weren't sure if they were in England or Wales. The local police force had to take the prisoner. I know that England and Wales have different law to Scotland but I'd imagine a similar situation exists. Even in Traffic Cops they change pursuit drivers when they go force to force.

kub · 27-09-2012 7:00pm

But are the different UK forces as different as Gardai and PSNI? In UK we are looking at different counties and perhaps Scotland/ Wales, but at the end of the day it is all in the UK.
It is great that PSNI and Gardai can help one another out, but at the end of the day, PSNI cover an area on this island which is part of the UK. Obviously the Gardai cover the Republic Of Ireland, two different countries.

Delancey · 29-09-2012 1:55pm

PSNI are armed and generally Gardai are not - just another layer of complication to what has been a vexed question for decades.

Swirly Whirly · 29-09-2012 2:02pm

http://www.thejournal.ie/monaghan-villagers-left-beyond-the-law-by-garda-cutbacks-284513-Nov2011/

Something relevent to the thread.

Jellicoe · 29-09-2012 2:07pm

Delancy wrote:

Short answer is No. They do co-operate in cross border enquiries but they are not permitted to cross the border in ' hot pursuit '.

Usually invoked for collection of 'de snak box'

Random · 30-09-2012 6:17pm

in places where they use an umarked car to drive through ni to get back to the station etc - are they allowed do this with prisoners on board? im asking from the point of view that they have no juristiction in ni and so if they have a prisoner in the back while in ni then they have no powers to hold them? am i thinking about this too much?

goldie fish · 30-09-2012 7:08pm

Yes random, yes you are. Some of the concession roads only cross into the north for a few hundred yards, before rejoining the "south".

robo008 · 01-10-2012 8:34am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOEwYxv5UbM

kub · 01-10-2012 11:07pm

robo008 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOEwYxv5UbM

The comment at the end by the patrol car driver said it all, ' that car was more powerful that this one'. No surprise there though.

I am delighted though that The Gardai up around the border can contact PSNI units in such situations.

Actually I wonder now how that particular pursuit would have ended if the border control was still in operation, I have a feeling that Audi would have stopped fairly lively.

da_hambo · 02-10-2012 4:33pm

anyone remember the picture on the front of a tabloid a few years ago, of a Garda chopper hovering over fields with the headline - Garda Helicopter over South Armagh. It elaborated on some kind of pursuit over the border. I did read on the interweb that in that case some of Irish airspace overlaps Norn Iron or something. Would love to get my hands on it again!

kfk · 02-10-2012 5:29pm

Surely there are some circumstances when the Gardai and the PSNI can cross the border in marked cars! Lets say they are chasing a car with a kidnapped child on board???

Mycroft H · 02-10-2012 5:46pm

kfk wrote: »

Surely there are some circumstances when the Gardai and the PSNI can cross the border in marked cars! Lets say they are chasing a car with a kidnapped child on board???

I'm sure in an incident like that every available PSNI unit would be mobilized as they cross the border to continue the pursuit.

Jellicoe · 02-10-2012 5:49pm

As far as I recall, there is some sort of agreement that the can encroach for a certain number of km's on either side for certain incidents.

guttenberg · 02-10-2012 9:20pm

da_hambo wrote: »

anyone remember the picture on the front of a tabloid a few years ago, of a Garda chopper hovering over fields with the headline - Garda Helicopter over South Armagh. It elaborated on some kind of pursuit over the border. I did read on the interweb that in that case some of Irish airspace overlaps Norn Iron or something. Would love to get my hands on it again!

A few months(I think?) back, someone stole a Gardai car and drove it up the M1, the helicopter pursued it and got verbal permission to cross the border to follow. Think it was abandoned in south Armagh aswell. Great to see that crossing the border isn't the safe haven that it used to be.

irishrgr · 05-10-2012 1:21am

We have a similar issue here with the different states, although not in my area, we 110's of miles from a state border. Border state agencies (some of which have huge cities...Kansas City KS and Kansas City MO or Washington DC for example. They resolve it by interlocal agreements that cover hot pursuit & jurisdiction and it generally works out. You might cross the state line with the locals in pursuit and get nicked by the next lot, who will generally turn you over to the original agency. This is primarily for hot pursuit situations...otherwise you have to get a warrant & do the whole interstate extradition thing.

As for Mexico & Canada, those borders are generally well defined with barriers & the likes (in all but the more remote areas), you'd be hard pressed to blaze through a international border, especially since 9-11. Glad to see the PSNI & AGS are working more together.

Morrika · 12-10-2012 8:37pm

Psni officers are always armed, I worked in newry and we were under strict orders not to cross the border, if we did we would be carrying firearms unlawfully regardless of the circumstances. The Garda not being armed as a rule would not fall foul of the same problem although carrying cs spray or even batons could pose problems as far as offensive weapons etc are concerned. It would be pointless doing it anyway as any criminal apprehended would be able to use the lack of jurisdiction to his advantage

Gardai in NI??

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