How is this right?

Gringo180

Okay so the brother and his friend only finished up school in June after conpleting there leaving cert and applied for a fai course with fas and after going through numerous interviews the 2 lads got the course as there 2 very good footballers. So they go down to the local social welfare office to get the forms signed so there eligible to do the course but where told that they couldnt sign on until 24th of sept (there course started on sept 10th) therefore putting the course they wanted to do in jeopardy.

They got all that sorted, or so they thought, until they were told today that they had to be signed on for 3 days or else they couldnt continue to do the course as they wouldnt be payed. So now they cant go back to there course until they sign on and wait till all the forms go through so that fas can know that there eligible to be payed.

Does anybody think this is a complete joke, there trying to better themselves doing this fai course and now there getting the run around by the social welfare.

Sorry if the post doesnt make much sense as im writing this on my phone

mp22

The 24th of September is the first day any leaving cert (2012)student can sign on.

Students

If you have just left school you cannot get Jobseeker's Allowance. To get Jobseeker's Allowance you must have been out of school for three months and you must be at least 18 years of age.



From here http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/jobseekers_allowance.html


If the fas course payment is based on there JSA level of payment they will have to be means tested ect.
Its not a joke, we hope that all claimants are treated the same.

another question

Ya they must be a minimum of 3 months finished school before they can claim...can they not continue on the course and get their payment when they are entitled to it?

Gringo180

another question wrote: »

Ya they must be a minimum of 3 months finished school before they can claim...can they not continue on the course and get their payment when they are entitled to it?

No there was 12 of them called out today and told they cant come back in until they got this sorted, so have to go down and sign on tomorrow and wait 3 days then go back down and get the welfare officer to sign a fas form to say there signed on 3 days

Gringo180

Just an update on this the 2 lads went down to sign on and were told that they have to come back on the 8th of October for somebody to fill out the forms so they can actually sign on, basically theyve just lost there course they had there heart set on and have been attending the past 2 weeks!!!!!

What a ****hole of a country this is!!!!

another question

Gringo180 wrote: »

Just an update on this the 2 lads went down to sign on and were told that they have to come back on the 8th of October for somebody to fill out the forms so they can actually sign on, basically theyve just lost there course they had there heart set on and have been attending the past 2 weeks!!!!!

What a ****hole of a country this is!!!!

Seriously though, the entire thing sounds beyond ridiculous. If they really have their heart set on it , why don't they go on Joe Duffy or call their local T.D....like to any normal person with common sense, this situation doesn't make any sense at all. Two lads wanting to REALLY do a course, want to better themselves and were offered a place and were in attendence but because they cannot sign on until the 8th of October they can't learn, christ like, that just sounds ridiculous.

Gringo180

another question wrote: »

Gringo180 wrote: »

Just an update on this the 2 lads went down to sign on and were told that they have to come back on the 8th of October for somebody to fill out the forms so they can actually sign on, basically theyve just lost there course they had there heart set on and have been attending the past 2 weeks!!!!!

What a ****hole of a country this is!!!!

Seriously though, the entire thing sounds beyond ridiculous. If they really have their heart set on it , why don't they go on Joe Duffy or call their local T.D....like to any normal person with common sense, this situation doesn't make any sense at all. Two lads wanting to REALLY do a course, want to better themselves and were offered a place and were in attendence but because they cannot sign on until the 8th of October they can't learn, christ like, that just sounds ridiculous.

This is exactly my point you couldnt make this sort of stuff up!!! Im on way down to the local office now to try and get my head around it.

Gringo180

Gringo180 wrote: »

another question wrote: »

Gringo180 wrote: »

Just an update on this the 2 lads went down to sign on and were told that they have to come back on the 8th of October for somebody to fill out the forms so they can actually sign on, basically theyve just lost there course they had there heart set on and have been attending the past 2 weeks!!!!!

What a ****hole of a country this is!!!!

Seriously though, the entire thing sounds beyond ridiculous. If they really have their heart set on it , why don't they go on Joe Duffy or call their local T.D....like to any normal person with common sense, this situation doesn't make any sense at all. Two lads wanting to REALLY do a course, want to better themselves and were offered a place and were in attendence but because they cannot sign on until the 8th of October they can't learn, christ like, that just sounds ridiculous.

This is exactly my point you couldnt make this sort of stuff up!!! Im on way down to the local office now to try and get my head around it.

Just back now from the social welfare and have been told that the 8th is the only time somebody is free to see the lads so they can sign on, I told her that he doesnt want to sign on that he just needs them to sign a form so fas see that there eligible to do the course so they can get paid. But she said they just have to wait that theres nothing the can do. Fuming would be an understatement here, these sort of things should be dealt with asap so it doesnt prevent people from loosing out on furthering themselves!

So in essence there is 12 lads basically out of a chance of furthering there career and back to square 1 been stuck on the dole till something else comes up for them.

Is this a glitch in the system? Can young people only finishing there leaving cert not do a fas course until 3 months after they have left school? Seems a complete and utter joke if u ask me!!

another question

Ya as far as I was aware, in order to be eligible to do a fas course you had to be in receipt of payment of JSA or JSB and to apply for either of these payments you had to be a minimum of three months finished school but it's not the lads fault that nobody can see them until the 8th of October...such a load of utter ****e...and excuse the next question, it's just for my own curiousity but can they not continue on the course and just accept payment when they are processed...even though it won't be backdated?

Gringo180

another question wrote: »

Ya as far as I was aware, in order to be eligible to do a fas course you had to be in receipt of payment of JSA or JSB and to apply for either of these payments you had to be a minimum of three months finished school but it's not the lads fault that nobody can see them until the 8th of October...such a load of utter ****e...and excuse the next question, it's just for my own curiousity but can they not continue on the course and just accept payment when they are processed...even though it won't be backdated?

No they wont let them do the course until they get this sorted out but I have to say Fas and the Fai have been very helpful in trying to get it sorted out for the lads but it seems they just dont want to know down in the social welfare office!

Gringo180

Just a thought I was just wondering if the lads filled out a BTE1 form and got the social welfare office to sign it would that get them back on the course before the 11th of oct??? Or do you have to be already signed on to be entitled to BTE?

another question

Gringo180 wrote: »

Just a thought I was just wondering if the lads filled out a BTE1 form and got the social welfare office to sign it would that get them back on the course before the 11th of oct??? Or do you have to be already signed on to be entitled to BTE?

Unforntunately yes, to be entitled to BTEA, you need to be in receipt of JSA or JSB, hope something sorts itself out for them..

Gringo180

another question wrote: »

Gringo180 wrote: »

Just a thought I was just wondering if the lads filled out a BTE1 form and got the social welfare office to sign it would that get them back on the course before the 11th of oct??? Or do you have to be already signed on to be entitled to BTE?

Unforntunately yes, to be entitled to BTEA, you need to be in receipt of JSA or JSB, hope something sorts itself out for them..

Cheers mate

areyawell

Contact a local politician is all you can do. It sounds like a pain but that is the law. It stops people from signing up for springboard courses so they will be able to do the college courses for free along with many other courses. Theres other reasons behind it as well. It does sicken me however that this is stopping them get there course and there's people that have no intention of getting a job can claim welfare all there life.

Stevolende

Sounds like it would benefit people in future if the start date of the course was put back. I'm just about to start a course that was initially supposed to start 13th August and got put back, this may be more down to lack of subscribers whereas the football course sounds like it was popular from the getgo.

Just strikes me that if this does effect so many of the people on the course such problems would be recognised and built around. 12 seems to be a significant number out of any group, I'm not sure what the class size is. I've been on computer courses where the class size of 20 is defined probably mainly by the layout of the room in the training centre but has been 20 then 17.
But if it is a similar size, & 12 participants must be significant to any class size, surely?
On the course I took in Spring about 4 people dropped out anyway, so the difference with people who are actually committed to the course would be significant in itself I would think.

In short what I'm saying is, would it not make more sense for the FAS organisers to schedule the course to take that timing into consideration? Or is it scheduled to just fit before Xmas or something?

I hope this can be sorted and the places are still open to being reclaimed on the 11th without a lot of the training not being recoverable.

Or otherwise, hoping that these who have been messed around can get on a similar course before long & get prioritised to do that without being hassled into some short term obstacle (dead end employment, disqualifying them from FAS?) while waiting. Just thinking that a lot of the courses locally are repeated every term so the opportunity might reappear. Fingers crossed anyway.

Stevolende

Sorry, just realised that focus was probably to hold the course in Football season which was what dictated time so possibly could n't be held back. Does sound deeply wrong though and is presumably a situation that the course must run up against every year , since probably held at the same time.

Was it a new course having teething trouble? As in not aware of what problems would arise since not ;previously experienced?