Most reliable boiler

Merch

Currently I have an Ideal Classic FF250 boiler
Without wanting to tempt fate, how long do gas boilers tend to last?
I know someone that has a baxi (not sure of the model) and I believe they have it 18 years (dont want to tempt fate for them either).
I've read up a bit about the Ideal classic FF250 and it has good reviews for reliability.

From reading up, some boilers seem to have quite cheap parts and others quite expensive.

improved efficiency (as good as is possible compared to current models) would be one requirement, but reliability, availability of parts preferably at a better cost compared to other make models would be as important to me.

I've been thinking (for a while) if/when a replacement is due what current new make has a reputation for reliability and cost effective replacement parts?

onesean

I recently replaced my old Ideal boiler with a new one callled the Ideal Logic , its well priced and has an efficiency rating of 92% , if you get a RGI registered installer and they have completed the training course with Ideal, the boiler can then be registered with a 5 year warranty for parts and labour. It also has a great feature , the pilot light is silent when ignited , so you don't get that loud noise when the boiler turns on. Hope this helps.

Capt'n Midnight

I know someone with a 40 year old oil boiler and it's solid.
Yes it could be changed for a more efficient one.
But the payback time is far too long to justify that especially if you factor in that a replacement is likely to need replacing long before 40 years.

Not sure what the story is on 40 year old gas boilers.

I've heard that condensing gas boilers cost more, need more servicing and more expensive parts so overall where is the balance ?

Merch

onesean wrote: »

I recently replaced my old Ideal boiler with a new one callled the Ideal Logic , its well priced and has an efficiency rating of 92% , if you get a RGI registered installer and they have completed the training course with Ideal, the boiler can then be registered with a 5 year warranty for parts and labour. It also has a great feature , the pilot light is silent when ignited , so you don't get that loud noise when the boiler turns on. Hope this helps.

any info helps. thanks, i will look up the logic, quite happy with the ideal classic, i was lucky, it was here when i moved in and it has required very little attention, so far! fingers crossed.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

I know someone with a 40 year old oil boiler and it's solid.
Yes it could be changed for a more efficient one.
But the payback time is far too long to justify that especially if you factor in that a replacement is likely to need replacing long before 40 years.

Not sure what the story is on 40 year old gas boilers.

I've heard that condensing gas boilers cost more, need more servicing and more expensive parts so overall where is the balance ?

Have been thinking most what you wrote too, i may wait till i absolutely need to replace it or the cost of its running/a future repair outweighs a replacement, it is what im wondering re the payback, im wondering how long mine could last?
40 years jeez older than me, i assume older types were simpler and therefore more reliable in that regard.

edit, should i need/get a replacement, reliability would take a preference over efficiency

DGOBS

Sorry, but you have asked for a good reliable boiler, yet one that has cheap parts? an oxymoron really.
The better boilers tend to have more expensive parts!

Pretty much all the boilers out there are no coming with a 5year warranty, if it was my house, Intergas, Worchester, Viessmann or Ariston IMHO

As for how long a boiler lasts, manufacturer will say 10-15 years, but it's like asking how long a car will last, is it properly serviced, installed, running clean water etc, etc. It will last as long as you replace parts and the casing doesn't rust through..lol

Merch

DGOBS wrote: »

Sorry, but you have asked for a good reliable boiler, yet one that has cheap parts? an oxymoron really.
The better boilers tend to have more expensive parts!

Pretty much all the boilers out there are no coming with a 5year warranty, if it was my house, Intergas, Worchester, Viessmann or Ariston IMHO

As for how long a boiler lasts, manufacturer will say 10-15 years, but it's like asking how long a car will last, is it properly serviced, installed, running clean water etc, etc. It will last as long as you replace parts and the casing doesn't rust through..lol

I know I want my cake and eat it too.
Reliability is the most important consideration, good availability of spares, that may or may not be an issue, I thought I heard of a manufacturer that had poor follow up re parts availability.
Re rusting through thats what I wondered, people that install them will have come across what has been removed and probably why, eg reliability/breakdowns, deterioration.
Thus far, I've been lucky really (fingers crossed) but when the time comes to get a replacement, i dont want to do it in a rush, Id intend to research it thoroughly and weigh the options.

JohnnieK

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

I know someone with a 40 year old oil boiler and it's solid.

Did that 40 year old boiler ever have the burner replaced? If not its a once off and not the norm.


Merch, I would hold onto your classic until it dies a death, the boiler generally is bullet proof. If you are thinking of changing as DGOBS said look at Viessmann, really good boiler wb1c that is not the wb1a, the later had its problems and it's this model that most of the bad news on the web is about.

Ariston have a new carnation of the CLAS boiler out called the Evo, exactly the same boiler with a more easier user interface.

I service a few Worcester's and they are solid too, I don't install them though, for no perticular reason.

DGOBS

Ever looked at the Intergas JK?

JohnnieK

DGOBS wrote: »

Ever looked at the Intergas JK?

No tony. Are they the ones that the work stealers rvr do?

shane0007

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

I know someone with a 40 year old oil boiler and it's solid.
Yes it could be changed for a more efficient one.
But the payback time is far too long to justify that especially if you factor in that a replacement is likely to need replacing long before 40 years.

Not sure what the story is on 40 year old gas boilers.

I've heard that condensing gas boilers cost more, need more servicing and more expensive parts so overall where is the balance ?

Well it will definitely have a pilot light and that costs approx €150 per annum to keep lit! On top of that, it will use approx 30 - 40% more fuel and will be more prone to surrounding poor air quality, such as dust, lint, hair, human skin, etc.

Merch

I remember a guy I knew was renting a place years ago, heating went off, he checked the pilot light in this yoke under the stairs, I was horrified at this oil burner, it had a wick in it?? looked like a small barrel/pot belly stove, thats over ten years ago, probably not funny the week thats in it, just saw a few adds recently about carbon monoxide!
i probably will wait till the classic dies a death, was wondering how long that might be but it is probably as similarily suggested like the length of a piece of string

I presume those mentioned are condensing boilers, Ill keep those names in mind, I heard ariston mentioned here before.

K.Flyer

JohnnieK wrote: »

DGOBS wrote: »

Ever looked at the Intergas JK?

No tony. Are they the ones that the work stealers rvr do?

RVR = Immergas.

K.Flyer

K.Flyer wrote: »

RVR = Immergas.

I hate them:mad:

K.Flyer

gary71 wrote: »

I hate them:mad:

Which, the Co. or the Boiler, (or both)?
Personally, I find neither reliable.

K.Flyer

K.Flyer wrote: »

Which, the Co. or the Boiler, (or both)?
Personally, I find neither reliable.

The boilers I have no problem with, RVR have no shame and steal work(which can be hard enough to find) they left me holding some parts which they were slow in sending me in the first place and sent their own man out to fix it.