Golfer of The Year or Captains?

GreeBo

Hey, which would you rather win golfer Of The Year or The Captains Prize?

GOTY has the consistency factor but Captains is (usually) the only 36 hole strokes comp most people play in their own club so is pretty prestigious...

I'm undecided tbh, I'd like the consistency of GOTY I think though.

spacecoyote

Think I'd take golfer of the year, there's probably a bit more prestige around captains but I'd know that if I won GOY that my handicap in all likelihood would have gone the right way

Alrite Chief

Golfer of the year definitely. Not a bit of interest in captain prize. Golf of the year means you have been outstanding all year. Even better the golfer of the year through golf net. What happened that this year by the way?

saintastic

Captain's Prize for me. That is generally the toughest competition of the year. The course is generally in it's best and toughest condition and 36 holes strokeplay is a really good leveller for everyone. Everyone in the club wants to win this and everyone is trying to get their game to peak for this competition. If you win, you will have played well.

I find the golfer of the year is generally won by someone whose handicap was wrong at the start of the year. And the reason is usually someone returning from injury or a young golfer taking up the game or someone returning to golf after a long lay off.

Dr_Colossus

Alrite Chief wrote: »

Even better the golfer of the year through golf net. What happened that this year by the way?

That was more the most improved player in terms of handicap reductions than a Golfer of the Year but both very similar. Unfortunately the GUI/Independent decided not to run the competition this year and wouldn't provide an accurate reason as to why
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79263383&postcount=80


In terms of the poll I choose the GOY, takes alot of commitment playing all the competitions throughout the year (most of which are strokeplay medals and the majors) and then having to perform consistently well in most of them. It's the toughest competition to win I think.

Having said that the Captain's Prize is by far the most prestigious competition in the club and as said before everyone is trying their utmost to win it. 36 hole strokeplay over consecutive weekends on a tough set up is no mean feat and you'll have to play to the best of your abilities to be in with a shout. It generally offers to best prizes also whereas the GOY (in my club anyway) is generally just your name on the perpetual trophy and a keepsake to mark the occasion.

GreeBo

They changed the rules for GOTY in my club this year and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

It used to be your best 8 stableford scores out of 14, now its points for places.
The more I think about it the less I like the new format, coming second or 5th on a countback means you get a lot less points than the winner, yet you both had the same score...I dont like it.
It also doesnt reward you proportionally to how you played, if you have 36 points when CSS is 30 you get the same amount of points as if you had 30 s'ford points (assuming you still come first)
Its rewarding places not how well you played golf IMO.

sodbuster77

GreeBo wrote: »

They changed the rules for GOTY in my club this year and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

It used to be your best 8 stableford scores out of 14, now its points for places.
The more I think about it the less I like the new format, coming second or 5th on a countback means you get a lot less points than the winner, yet you both had the same score...I dont like it.
It also doesnt reward you proportionally to how you played, if you have 36 points when CSS is 30 you get the same amount of points as if you had 30 s'ford points (assuming you still come first)
Its rewarding places not how well you played golf IMO.

South County used your nett differential score for GOY. Best 8 out of 14, all strokes comps. Best system by a mile IMO.

sodbuster77

saintastic wrote: »

Captain's Prize for me. That is generally the toughest competition of the year. The course is generally in it's best and toughest condition and 36 holes strokeplay is a really good leveller for everyone. Everyone in the club wants to win this and everyone is trying to get their game to peak for this competition. If you win, you will have played well.

I find the golfer of the year is generally won by someone whose handicap was wrong at the start of the year. And the reason is usually someone returning from injury or a young golfer taking up the game or someone returning to golf after a long lay off.

How can someone's handicap be ok at the end of a year and be wrong at the start of the next year???

GreeBo

sodbuster77 wrote: »

How can someone's handicap be ok at the end of a year and be wrong at the start of the next year???

A winter of non qualifying comps/practice.

sodbuster77

GreeBo wrote: »

sodbuster77 wrote: »

How can someone's handicap be ok at the end of a year and be wrong at the start of the next year???

A winter of non qualifying comps/practice.

When he says wrong I assume he meant to high

ForeRight

Would this be like asking a pro would he prefer to be no1 in the world at the end of the year or would he prefer to end the year as a Major Championship winner?

Surely it's a Major all day long.

Webbs

ForeRight wrote: »

Would this be like asking a pro would he prefer to be no1 in the world at the end of the year or would he prefer to end the year as a Major Championship winner?

Surely it's a Major all day long.

As there are more than one Major and the history for Majors and the No1 spot are completely different. Perhaps a closer analogy would they prefer an Olympic gold medal in 2016 or be No1 in the world in 2016, think then you would see a different answer.
I would prefer GOY as you have been a consistent performer for the year generally in all the majors of your club (Capts, Medals etc).

big_drive

I'd prefer golfer of year. Can't just have a dream day, you need consistency over a period of months

GreeBo

big_drive wrote: »

I'd prefer golfer of year. Can't just have a dream day, you need consistency over a period of months

Agreed, but the 36 holes over 2 weeks kinda offsets the dream day.
There is way more pressure on the back 9 on the second day of the Captains when you are in contention and have a good score going.

You can be GOTY by never breaking 36 points, there isnt nearly the same amount of pressure.

Webbs

GreeBo wrote: »

Agreed, but the 36 holes over 2 weeks kinda offsets the dream day.
There is way more pressure on the back 9 on the second day of the Captains when you are in contention and have a good score going.

You can be GOTY by never breaking 36 points, there isnt nearly the same amount of pressure.

Unless of course you need a 36 or 38 points on the last GOY

GreeBo

Webbs wrote: »

Unless of course you need a 36 or 38 points on the last GOY

Yeah but how often will you know what you need AND know what the other guys in contention have already shot? If you are top of GOTY going out then you dont *need* anything, the guys behind need to beat one of their "bad" rounds.

I think its a pretty different pressure level to be in contention for GOTY in your own head, compared to coming down the stretch with guys updating scoreboards on each tee and 150 people surrounding the 18th green while you cant feel your legs as you attempt to carry the water on your approach

Rikand

I'd take either though I'm currently in the running for the golfer of the year.
In second place with 2 more competitions to go this sunday and the next. Hopefully can catch the fella ahead of me and win it

GreeBo

Rickylovesuall wrote: »

I'd take either though I'm currently in the running for the golfer of the year.
In second place with 2 more competitions to go this sunday and the next. Hopefully can catch the fella ahead of me and win it

Do you have a crappy score as one of your best at the moment?
You can make huge advances if you are stuck using a 28 pointer or something...

Rikand

GreeBo wrote: »

Do you have a crappy score as one of your best at the moment?
You can make huge advances if you are stuck using a 28 pointer or something...

our golfer of the year is done a little differently

there are 8 competitions throughout the year that count towards it, all strokeplay comps

our 4 majors(Captains Prize, Presidents Prize, Club Hamper and Hodson Bay Cup) and 4 monthly medal competitions (June, July, August and September )

You then gain points based on your results in those competitions. If you come first nett, you get 20 points. not sure of the breakdown after that, but whatever it is, down to 1 point.

I am currently sitting on 32 points after 6 events, though I only counted in 3 of those.

The Leader is our resident +2 handicap golfer, Thomas O'Connor and he's on 37 points.

I dont fancy my chances of overtaking him, but you never know. He's playing unreal at the moment. Shot 64 gross in the Presidents prize, would have been a course record, but there was lift, clean and drop on the day and hes played class for a lot of other competitions too.

But I'll be giving it a go anyways, as long as I can hold onto second, I won't be too upset Get nothing for it, but still it would be a good result

Back9bandit

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GreeBo

Rickylovesuall wrote: »

our golfer of the year is done a little differently

there are 8 competitions throughout the year that count towards it, all strokeplay comps

our 4 majors(Captains Prize, Presidents Prize, Club Hamper and Hodson Bay Cup) and 4 monthly medal competitions (June, July, August and September )

You then gain points based on your results in those competitions. If you come first nett, you get 20 points. not sure of the breakdown after that, but whatever it is, down to 1 point.

I am currently sitting on 32 points after 6 events, though I only counted in 3 of those.

The Leader is our resident +2 handicap golfer, Thomas O'Connor and he's on 37 points.

I dont fancy my chances of overtaking him, but you never know. He's playing unreal at the moment. Shot 64 gross in the Presidents prize, would have been a course record, but there was lift, clean and drop on the day and hes played class for a lot of other competitions too.

But I'll be giving it a go anyways, as long as I can hold onto second, I won't be too upset Get nothing for it, but still it would be a good result

They changes ours to that format just this year and I have to say I dont like it. IMO you should get points against par/css, not against everyone else.

Huntelaar

Out of the two options given I'd choose GOTY all day long. I know some people say that GOTY is always won by high hcpers who are off the wrong hcap but as far as my club is concerned it is almost always won by somebody off low single digits.

I have no interest in Captain's Prize tbh. I'd like whatever the prize is but year in year out its won by some dope who hasn't played golf all year and shoots 20 over off 28. How can anyone take pride in that!?

Personally its all about Club Championship for me. Who doesn't wana be able to say they were Club Champion?!

GreeBo

Huntelaar wrote: »

Out of the two options given I'd choose GOTY all day long. I know some people say that GOTY is always won by high hcpers who are off the wrong hcap but as far as my club is concerned it is almost always won by somebody off low single digits.

I have no interest in Captain's Prize tbh. I'd like whatever the prize is but year in year out its won by some dope who hasn't played golf all year and shoots 20 over off 28. How can anyone take pride in that!?

Personally its all about Club Championship for me. Who doesn't wana be able to say they were Club Champion?!

I dont think ours has ever been won by a high handicapper tbh.
Two rounds of strokes usually takes care of the fella having an unusually good first round.

Rikand

GreeBo wrote: »

They changes ours to that format just this year and I have to say I dont like it. IMO you should get points against par/css, not against everyone else.

well too late to worry about it now. Our +2 handicapper has it in the bag. He won the competition on Sunday in tough conditions by shooting just 2 under gross and is now almost the full 20 points ahead of both me and the guy in 3rd. It was nice to be involved but it's hard to beat the level of consistency he must be playing it to hold a handicap of +2.

Club Hamper on this weekend coming and he always has a score in that, so I'll say thats the GOTY gone for another year

slave1

Competitions are great for some but some folks nerves just are not up to it and it can ruin their love of the game.
I think it's very unfortunate that competitions are the be all and end all of handicap reduction, personally I think the US approach of any round on a qualifying course should be enough to have a handicap adjustment - on the assumption of rules adherence re gimmes etc. etc.
Cynical me says it more about money, all the majors and big competitions in my club are a tenner, that's pretty steep these days I think.
Golf isn't all about the pressure of competition so I've vote for neither, for me it's fresh air and hitting those few perfect shots a round, as Jose said recently it's to feel alive.
@Ricky, fair dues to that guy/gal, +2 is some great shooting

GreeBo

slave1 wrote: »

Competitions are great for some but some folks nerves just are not up to it and it can ruin their love of the game.
I think it's very unfortunate that competitions are the be all and end all of handicap reduction, personally I think the US approach of any round on a qualifying course should be enough to have a handicap adjustment - on the assumption of rules adherence re gimmes etc. etc.
Cynical me says it more about money, all the majors and big competitions in my club are a tenner, that's pretty steep these days I think.
Golf isn't all about the pressure of competition so I've vote for neither, for me it's fresh air and hitting those few perfect shots a round, as Jose said recently it's to feel alive.
@Ricky, fair dues to that guy/gal, +2 is some great shooting

Majors have bigger prizes and more of them, I dont think any members clubs are making huge profits from running comps. In any case, all profits go back into the club.

slave1

Fair point but there are 8 such competition in my club in 7 months and if you want to play on those weekends you must play in the competition, I think that's harsh when paying a membership fee and then a tenner to play your own course for 8 weekends out of 30.
There comes a time when all these costs add up, actually just took the time to add up all the competions and in 9 months there are 45, some of us just want to turn up for a casual round without competition and whist it's great from one perspective to have that level of competitions being organised the cost to enter them all - as a max guide - is well past the €300mark.
It's actually cheaper now for me in a lot of instances to play other courses than travel and play competitions on my own course so I'm seriously looking at distance membership next year.
I know all that about golf clubs in trouble but there ain't a money tree in my back yard!