22.250

xchrisshana

hi lads can anyone tell me if the 22.250 is legally suitable for deer in ireland i think not but some info would be great thanks

dax121

xchrisshana wrote: »

hi lads can anyone tell me if the 22.250 is legally suitable for deer in ireland i think not but some info would be great thanks

it can be licenced for deer provided you use a 60gr bullet. i know lads useing them for years with great sucess. also depends on what your shooting a big red i wouldnt chance it. but then again it all about where you place your shot

xchrisshana

great thanks a mill

owelfisherman

xchrisshana wrote: »

great thanks a mill

Ye its the min cal for deer

staghunter

min is 55 grain i know this because thats whats on my application form.good for red hinds wouldnt use on a mature stags though.

4200fps

staghunter wrote: »

min is 55 grain i know this because thats whats on my application form.good for red hinds wouldnt use on a mature stags though.

Its a mistake they made with application forms. I rang them last year asking was a 55 grain load acceptable and they said they will decline a 55 grain load for a .220 or 22-250 must be 60grain. Not butting in on you trying to be smart staghunter. I believed their application form had to be correct but they said it was a mistake and they are very aware of it

juice1304

They might say that and enforce that but it is not the law.


WILDLIFE ACT, 1976 (FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION) REGULATIONS, 1977.


I, BRIAN LENIHAN, Minister for Fisheries, in exercise of the power conferred on me by section 33 (4) of the Wildlife Act, 1976 (No. 39 of 1976), as adapted by the Lands (Alteration of Name of Department and Title of Minister) Order, 1977 ( S.I. No. 29 of 1977 ), hereby make the following Regulations:—

1. These Regulations may be cited as the Wildlife Act, 1976 (Firearms and Ammunition) Regulations, 1977.

2. ( a ) The firearms and ammunition of the type and calibre specified in the Schedule to these Regulations may be used to hunt deer species.

( b ) Firearms and ammunition of any type and calibre other than the type and calibre specified in the Schedule to these Regulations shall not be used to hunt deer species.

SCHEDULE.


Firearms.

Centre-fire rifles of not less than ·22 calibre with a muzzle energy of not less than 1,700 foot pounds.

Ammunition.

Any bullet for use in such rifles, weighing not less than 55 grains.

GIVEN under my Official Seal, this 21st day of July, 1977.

BRIAN LENIHAN,

Minister for Fisheries.

EXPLANATORY NOTE.

These regulations specify the type and calibre of firearms and ammunition which may be used to shoot deer species and provide that no other type and calibre may be used for that purpose.

Tikkat3

juice1304 wrote: »

They might say that and enforce that but it is not the law.


WILDLIFE ACT, 1976 (FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION) REGULATIONS, 1977.


I, BRIAN LENIHAN, Minister for Fisheries, in exercise of the power conferred on me by section 33 (4) of the Wildlife Act, 1976 (No. 39 of 1976), as adapted by the Lands (Alteration of Name of Department and Title of Minister) Order, 1977 ( S.I. No. 29 of 1977 ), hereby make the following Regulations:—

1. These Regulations may be cited as the Wildlife Act, 1976 (Firearms and Ammunition) Regulations, 1977.

2. ( a ) The firearms and ammunition of the type and calibre specified in the Schedule to these Regulations may be used to hunt deer species.

( b ) Firearms and ammunition of any type and calibre other than the type and calibre specified in the Schedule to these Regulations shall not be used to hunt deer species.

SCHEDULE.


Firearms.

Centre-fire rifles of not less than ·22 calibre with a muzzle energy of not less than 1,700 foot pounds.

Ammunition.

Any bullet for use in such rifles, weighing not less than 55 grains.

GIVEN under my Official Seal, this 21st day of July, 1977.

BRIAN LENIHAN,

Minister for Fisheries.

EXPLANATORY NOTE.

These regulations specify the type and calibre of firearms and ammunition which may be used to shoot deer species and provide that no other type and calibre may be used for that purpose.

thats fair loose legislation

garv123

Some people have a swift licensed too.. Someone else claimed a friend 100% has a deer licence with a .223. Can't believe everything you read on the internet though

4200fps

juice1304 wrote: »

They might say that and enforce that but it is not the law.


WILDLIFE ACT, 1976 (FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION) REGULATIONS, 1977.


I, BRIAN LENIHAN, Minister for Fisheries, in exercise of the power conferred on me by section 33 (4) of the Wildlife Act, 1976 (No. 39 of 1976), as adapted by the Lands (Alteration of Name of Department and Title of Minister) Order, 1977 ( S.I. No. 29 of 1977 ), hereby make the following Regulations:—

1. These Regulations may be cited as the Wildlife Act, 1976 (Firearms and Ammunition) Regulations, 1977.

2. ( a ) The firearms and ammunition of the type and calibre specified in the Schedule to these Regulations may be used to hunt deer species.

( b ) Firearms and ammunition of any type and calibre other than the type and calibre specified in the Schedule to these Regulations shall not be used to hunt deer species.

SCHEDULE.


Firearms.

Centre-fire rifles of not less than ·22 calibre with a muzzle energy of not less than 1,700 foot pounds.

Ammunition.

Any bullet for use in such rifles, weighing not less than 55 grains.

GIVEN under my Official Seal, this 21st day of July, 1977.

BRIAN LENIHAN,

Minister for Fisheries.

EXPLANATORY NOTE.

These regulations specify the type and calibre of firearms and ammunition which may be used to shoot deer species and provide that no other type and calibre may be used for that purpose.

But what bullet manufacture has 55grain ammunition that produces 1700ftlbs. I'm only saying what they told me and they are going by the foot lbs as they are aware that 55grain will not deliver 1700ftlbs

4200fps

garv123 wrote: »

Some people have a swift licensed too.. Someone else claimed a friend 100% has a deer licence with a .223. Can't believe everything you read on the internet though

With the 223 i'd have to see it to believe it but there's plenty I know who got them no bother with .220 and 22-250.

That on going story about the guy who has the deer licence for a .223 may be true to a certain extent as it may be the .223winchester super short magnum which has huge energy.It has 1840ftlbs at the muzzle with a 64 grain load which makes it perfectly legal

4200fps

xchrisshana wrote: »

hi lads can anyone tell me if the 22.250 is legally suitable for deer in ireland i think not but some info would be great thanks

It and the .220 Swift is 100% legal and suitable for deer in Ireland with a 60 grain load. I'm 100% certain too

hedzball

4200fps wrote: »

With the 223 i'd have to see it to believe it but there's plenty I know who got them no bother with .220 and 22-250.

That on going story about the guy who has the deer licence for a .223 may be true to a certain extent as it may be the .223winchester super short magnum which has huge energy.It has 1840ftlbs at the muzzle with a 64 grain load which makes it perfectly legal

Fella done here has a wssm licensed for deer.. lives in Clon direction..

he has a 270 which sees more road mind..

rowa

4200fps wrote: »

It and the .220 Swift is 100% legal and suitable for deer in Ireland with a 60 grain load. I'm 100% certain too

The swift meets the minimum requirements but i was told a lot of people were refused a deer hunting licence if they put it down on the form.

sikahuntejack

I have a sako 22.250 i hunt with 2 lads 1 has a howa 243 and the other has a tikka 308 both of them cant get over how good the 60g hormandy bullet. its groups good and is savage accurate the only bad thing about my 22.250 is its a heavy barrel and its a bit heavy when stalking

cookimonster

4200fps wrote: »

But what bullet manufacture has 55grain ammunition that produces 1700ftlbs. I'm only saying what they told me and they are going by the foot lbs as they are aware that 55grain will not deliver 1700ftlbs

Hornady 55gr V-Max =1880ft/lbs at 500 feet seems to meet the specification.

4200fps

cookimonster wrote: »

Hornady 55gr V-Max =1880ft/lbs at 500 feet seems to meet the specification.

Hornady v-max 55grain = 1654ft/lbs and doesn't meet specification for 22-250 where as the 50 grain Superformance meets specification at 1776 ft/lbs but I can guarantee if you put down anything less than 60 grain the deer licence application it will be certainly declined as they told me they only accept 60 grain load for 22-250 and .220 swift. Fact! Ring them and ask them. I'm 100% positive as I applied for a deer licence with a .220 caliber last year and that's what they insisted on. Its not a big job to write down 60grain load and when you get it use what load you wish to fire. They have to cover them self's and not issue deer licences to fire arms that they doubt will deliver sufficient energy under 1700ft/lbs to kill a deer humanely. You can imagine putting down 50 grain Superformance, they wouldn't have a notion what it is as they only are looking for the grain that they know that has guaranteed ability of 1700 ft/lbs or more with every bullet manufacture. There is guys on this that has a deer licence for .220Swift and .22-250 and they would have put down 60 grain load. I don't need to say anymore as everything I've mentioned I know is fact as I've asked the NPWS all these questions and this is the exact information I was clearly told in return. Anybody can call them and ask but its there in writing if you believe me or not. If you put down 55 that's grand but its only the person who puts it down isn't too bothered about the application being declined or slowing things up with nonsense they don't want to see when he/she was told before hand how to go about it clearly. Not having a dig at you cookimonster I'm explaining my experience that may/will help one of ye folks with the application

cookimonster

4200fps, my bad.
Jumped in with two left feet there and misread ft/sec spec for ft/lbs.
Got carried away after recently watching a Hornady video doc about shooting deer with a range of bullet grains and tips. The smaller rounds where devastating due to the energy expended on impact. The wound trauma was huge compared to the heavier rounds.
Forgot my basic physics - relations between mass, speed, energy and forces etc etc... I shall bow out with the proverbial tail between the legs...........


But it is bad that an government agency is using a form that is contrary to its policy. They can go through the trouble of changing thier address but not the details in relation to bullet grain. Go figure.

http://www.npws.ie/licences/hunting/tohuntdeer/

4200fps

cookimonster wrote: »

4200fps, my bad.
Jumped in with two left feet there and misread ft/sec spec for ft/lbs.
Got carried away after recently watching a Hornady video doc about shooting deer with a range of bullet grains and tips. The smaller rounds where devastating due to the energy expended on impact. The wound trauma was huge compared to the heavier rounds.
Forgot my basic physics - relations between mass, speed, energy and forces etc etc... I shall bow out with the proverbial tail between the legs...........


But it is bad that an government agency is using a form that is contrary to its policy. They can go through the trouble of changing thier address but not the details in relation to bullet grain. Go figure.

http://www.npws.ie/licences/hunting/tohuntdeer/

I've a new box of 58grain superformance for my yoke mad to test them out. Them 50 grain superformance for 22-250 looks unreal. Very flat and very hard hitting!:cool:

cookimonster

The uncles shot for years with 22-250's after the castle offered to mind their other stuff.....
We got loads of carcus's over the years all of them clean kills (that is one shot) with alot of them necked. The internal damage (jellyfied flesh, fine bone splinters etc) always impressed me. I don't know what grain they used but they claimed to keep all shots in and around 100 yards. This came up in conversations when the 22-250 was compared to the 5.56 NATO and what the military expected of it over longer ranges (not going down the road of wound verus kill senario).
I was contemplating a 22-250 (hence my appearance on boards for advice) but opted for the 243. I have a little voice in the back of my head that says the 22-250 may see its final days as a deer rnd due to European pressure. Altough I tend to look on the negative side there is a lot of case history of this happening in all sectors.