Advice on good tv to work on Saorview AND Freeview

In the old days

Looking for advice please for recommendations from anybody on the Border/East Coast who is happy with their current tv set working well on both Saorview and Freeview at the same time without a box. My requirements are: 1. That it will have the Saorview Channels prominent (e.g. 1-8 etc.) and 2. that old style aertel will be on RTE 1 as at present on DTT (and MHEG 5 Teletext available on RTE 2 HD/UK channels for future proofing). Ideally, it would be also good to have UK channels NOT appear in the 800s e.g. ability to renumber BBC 1 as channel 5 etc.

I'm basically trying to make life simple for mother in law aged 80 in Cavan with perfect Analogue NI and ROI signals at present. (Can live without Freeview HD).

I think this is a bit of an elephant in the room situation for the tens of thousands of viewers with cross border viewing. I've seen installations in Cavan with new tvs AND saorview set top box - crazy stuff. Anyone using samsung,walker, sony etc. tvs for dual reception and any issues?? Are sony the only sets easily renumbered?? Any personal obs on freezing, quick speed of channel change etc. particularly welcome. Finally,it a thatched cottage so only really room for a 24" tv in the corner press but general obs on all smallish models up to 32" accepted!!! A widening of the press may be considered.

The Cush

In the old days wrote: »

Looking for advice please for recommendations from anybody on the Border/East Coast who is happy with their current tv set working well on both Saorview and Freeview at the same time without a box. My requirements are: 1. That it will have the Saorview Channels prominent (e.g. 1-8 etc.) and 2. that old style aertel will be on RTE 1 as at present on DTT (and MHEG 5 Teletext available on RTE 2 HD/UK channels for future proofing). Ideally, it would be also good to have UK channels NOT appear in the 800s e.g. ability to renumber BBC 1 as channel 5 etc.

I'm basically trying to make life simple for mother in law aged 80 in Cavan with perfect Analogue NI and ROI signals at present. (Can live without Freeview HD).

I don't live in an overspill area so can't give you specific advice.

Any Saorview approved TV should quiet happily work with both services, some even have a DVB-T2 tuner which will receive the FreeviewHD channels. The Irish channels will be placed 1-8 if Ireland is used as the install country with the UK channels stored in the 800s. If you install with UK as the country/region the Irish channels are placed in the 800s, if you use this setup it may be easier to move the 8 Irish channels to the correct locations than trying to move 15, 20 or more UK channels from the 800s.

Regarding text a Saorview approved TV will give priority to the new Aertel digital text if present over the traditional text service.

lawhec

The Cush wrote: »

I don't live in an overspill area so can't give you specific advice.

Any Saorview approved TV should quiet happily work with both services, some even have a DVB-T2 tuner which will receive the FreeviewHD channels. The Irish channels will be placed 1-8 if Ireland is used as the install country with the UK channels stored in the 800s. If you install with UK as the country/region the Irish channels are placed in the 800s, if you use this setup it may be easier to move the 8 Irish channels to the correct locations than trying to move 15, 20 or more UK channels from the 800s.

Regarding text a Saorview approved TV will give priority to the new Aertel digital text if present over the traditional text service.

When I tuned my Sony TV (one that it both Saorview and Freeview HD approved) in after selecting Ireland instead of UK to see what would happen, the UK Freeview channels weren't placed in the 800's but rather took the next allocations left vacant after the Saorview TV channels, from 9 onwards. A Philips Freeview TV my grandparents had was incorrectly installed to "France" for some strange reason, and again channels were just assigned in order.. I'm thinking the 8xx channel allocation scheme is a D-Book specification rather than a general DVB-T one.

Souriau

LG that is both Freeview and Saorview approved
Set to Ireland will let RTE take first place, 1 to 8 and radio from 200 to 210
but UK freeview did not folllw proper order but will take place after RTE from the first mux it find, i.e. Ch.23 SDN. so all channles in that frequency
ITV3, Gold, QVC,mixed with TV and radio in no order, all mixed up then the next Mux is ch.26 MuxB and then 29 Mux1, 33 Mux2, 34 MuxD, 48 MuxC

Must get pic snapshot of this for you to see

mrdtv2010

lawhec wrote: »

I'm thinking the 8xx channel allocation scheme is a D-Book specification rather than a general DVB-T one.

It is a DTG specification! And is also used to shunt overlapping transmitters from the same country/TV region to the bottom of the guide as reception of overlaps and relays is now very common in the UK. In East Down they are going to be sorely tested as they will get:

*Divis
*Cambret Hill
* Caldbeck (in lifts or all the time)
*IOM relays
*Winter Hill (lifts mainly)
*Moel-y-Parc (lifts mainly)
*Llanddona (lifts mainly)
*Clermont Carn

I suspect a lot of people will have to become adept at manual tuning and switch off autotune if possible to avoid EPG fiascos. This is a 'known' problem and has been a particular issue in Granadaland.

BTW excellent summary of the forthcoming NI DSO Phase 1.

In the old days

Thanks for replies. Philips or Sony look the best bets.

The Cush wrote: »

Regarding text a Saorview approved TV will give priority to the new Aertel digital text if present over the traditional text service.

I wonder is this the case or does it depend or the tv model (or possibly a flag being transmitted by the channel). On my own samsung the traditional text is present on RTE 1 by default although both types are transmitted on that channel. The lady I hope to set up can manage the old type so I was hoping that the situation would be the same as the samsung on all saorview approved models.

The Cush

In the old days wrote: »

I wonder is this the case or does it depend or the tv model (or possibly a flag being transmitted by the channel). On my own samsung the traditional text is present on RTE 1 by default although both types are transmitted on that channel.

Is your Samsung Saorview approved? The Saorview Min. Receiver spec requires MHEG-5 text to be given priority. I have seen a non-approved Samsung working the you describe.

In the old days

The Cush wrote: »

Is your Samsung Saorview approved? The Saorview Min. Receiver spec requires MHEG-5 text to be given priority. I have seen a non-approved Samsung working the you describe.

That explains it. It is about 2/3 years old and was bought before the approval process started. Options suddenly starting to narrow for my mother-in-law.......

Souriau

First two pics are setup for Ireland on the LG TV
Last two pics are setup for UK

In the old days

Just a quick follow up. Went for a Walker WP2412LED for €200 from Power City. You can re-order the channels easily. Has MHEG 5 and traditional teletext (e.g. on TV3). It defaults to digital style text on RTE1/RTE2 HD. I Tried re-installing it with Portugal and France as countries but still stubbornly shows the new style on those channels. I suspect the mother in law will get the hang of it. Reasonable picture and seems good quality overall. Amazingly at the price it has a built in PVR and media reader etc. if you plug in a USB stick. Haven't tried it yet in overspill area to see how it integrates freeview with saorview but ticks most of the boxes so far.

reslfj

In the old days wrote: »

Just a quick follow up. Went for a Walker WP2412LED for €200 from Power City. You can re-order the channels easily. Has MHEG 5 and traditional teletext (e.g. on TV3)

A 9:16 should be ~22.5 % larger than a 3:4 old format TV set as the hight of the screen is important for reading text.
E.g. a 24" 9:16 widescreen TV display will be much like a 19" 3:4 (old format) display.

I don't understand why you selected a non DVB-T2 model when your mother in law lives close to the border and likes UK/NI TV channels?

Lars

In the old days

reslfj wrote: »

A 9:16 should be ~22.5 % larger than a 3:4 old format TV set as the hight of the screen is important for reading text.
E.g. a 24" 9:16 widescreen TV display will be much like a 19" 3:4 (old format) display.

I don't understand why you selected a non DVB-T2 model when your mother in law lives close to the border and likes UK/NI TV channels?

Lars

Screen size was the in the same order as the existing analogue-only flat screen. It is small room and simplicity was the order of the day. Also a 37" wall mounted plasma or LCD would not quite fit in with the thatched roof, flagstones and stanley cooker ! Sony TVs etc. with DVB-T2 would have been double the price. All new freeview HD channels will be simulcast in SD (except the BBC HD but most of this is BBC2 content anyway). For such a small screen would it have been worth it or could anyone tell the difference?