lynx shannon cargo hub

robclay26

Anybody know if there is an update on this lynx shannon cargo hub? was announced Sept last year, and even a few years ago there was some cargo idea put forward.
Is it just a fairy tale or will it really happen?

personal i think its a fairy tale, big cargo hub for europe on an island that isn't connected to mainland europe. Look at:
TNT, they use Liege in Belgium
FEDEX use Paris and Cologne
UPS use Cologne
DHL use Leipzig and East Midlands

So with the exception of East Midlands, the rest are on the mainland of Europe, where there are Trains and trucks can feed the Cargo hubs. I do understand the most of it is fed from smaller hubs with regional freighters like Fedex express ATR 42 from Shannon to Paris etc.

What do you guys think? Hope it will work and give employment in the area and some sort future for Shannon and the area.

Strumms

It is a nice idea, great For the region and the air cargo business if it came off however. I currently am employed by one of the said carriers who could potentially use this facility. I have a total of 12 years in the industry in Ireland some a which was freight operations and currently flight ops. Going by my own experience not only of my own company but of what I know about the industry overall.. I would seriously doubt the viability of such a plan at this current time.

For it to work there would need to be a sizeable increase in freight volume overall to merit its very existence. Currently freight volumes are not as they were 5 years ago to merit these companies utilising a hub anywhere in Ireland, there wouldn't have even been cause for it back then. Unless growth came to a stage where each company was sending a wide body to the US and or Asia from SNN or anywhere else in Ireland then there is no point, this is most likely 10 years away minimum at a guess if indeed it were to happen and that's a mighty big 'if'. As mentioned above each major carrier already have their own hub and spoke system in place with lesser markets feeding into the larger markets with air connections to the rest of the world and land / rail connections to other European territories. This is the most cost effective method for any operator.

When I heard the lynx story my first reaction was 'never gonna happen' which is still how I see it. I'd all the same love to be wrong.

donkey balls

I'm an ex employee of one the companies mentioned above and as the other poster mentioned a hub in SNN, Is never going to happen considering most freight leaves Dublin for onward connection to the rest of the world trucked to the UK normally.
As for the hub and spoke method it's known to work well why replace it ? this story came up years ago about Knock airport being used as some form of a cargo hub again another pie in the sky story.

expectationlost

Cargo hub at Shannon Airport ‘key’ to allowing firms access export markets http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/cargo-hub-at-shannon-airport-key-to-allowing-firms-access-export-markets-250284.html

Aviation experts discuss major Cargo Hub for Shannon http://clareherald.com/2013/11/20/aviation-experts-discuss-major-cargo-hub-for-shannon/

again headlines discussing this as if its actually something that's happening, is it geographically useful, let alone economically?

Strumms

Geographically useful but not a necessity. Economically not viable and won't be for a while..

robclay26

How many times have we heard this ****e

GCU Flexible Demeanour

expectationlost wrote: »

Cargo hub at Shannon Airport ‘key’ to allowing firms access export markets http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/cargo-hub-at-shannon-airport-key-to-allowing-firms-access-export-markets-250284.html

Aviation experts discuss major Cargo Hub for Shannon http://clareherald.com/2013/11/20/aviation-experts-discuss-major-cargo-hub-for-shannon/

again headlines discussing this as if its actually something that's happening, is it geographically useful, let alone economically?

What's comical is that none of the domestic coverage actually states what this "Cargo conference" is about.

http://www.iata.org/events/Pages/cclp.aspx

The IATA Cargo Claims & Loss Prevention (CCLP) Conference is a unique event in the air cargo industry addressing a critical area of protecting the integrity and obligation of all parties within the supply chain.

Bit of a leap for a conference on legal liability for lost cargo to a conference focussed on Shannon as a cargo hub.

robclay26 wrote: »

How many times have we heard this ****e

Many times, since at least 1959.

Shannon Free Airport Development Company Limited Bill, 1959—Second Stage.

Wednesday, 18 November 1959

The importance of freight traffic to Shannon Airport cannot be sufficiently stressed. I have already adverted to the expectations of the Development Company in regard to the generation of air freight through the establishment of industrial activity. To assist air freight transport operators and to encourage the practice of breaking-down and consolidating air cargo at Shannon a special freight terminal with cargo handling facilities is to be erected at the Airport.

donkey balls

Just read the article in the link provided,The guy states that producer's from the west cannot access the markets to the likes of China and other markets quickly.
Now apart from Mayo and counties up that way Dublin can be reached by car/van in 2.5 hrs and by truck 3hrs approx,Also with the likes of EK & EY operating 2/3 flights out of Dub daily they can provide direct flights to the ME.
80% of freight is moved by pax aircraft around the world with the other 20% by dedicated freighter companies/charters,Also rumour has it that the DAA are looking to build some logistic park/offices as a dedicated freight terminal within the airport.

urajoke

donkey balls wrote: »

Just read the article in the link provided,The guy states that producer's from the west cannot access the markets to the likes of China and other markets quickly.
Now apart from Mayo and counties up that way Dublin can be reached by car/van in 2.5 hrs and by truck 3hrs approx,Also with the likes of EK & EY operating 2/3 flights out of Dub daily they can provide direct flights to the ME.
80% of freight is moved by pax aircraft around the world with the other 20% by dedicated freighter companies/charters,Also rumour has it that the DAA are looking to build some logistic park/offices as a dedicated freight terminal within the airport.

The last master plan I saw about 6+ years ago showed a cargo ramp south of 10/28 with associated buildings. Like most things I imagine its on the back burner or forgotten about.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

donkey balls wrote: »

80% of freight is moved by pax aircraft around the world with the other 20% by dedicated freighter companies/charters

I think that single fact is very pertinent. While not necessarily impossible, it would not be easy to build a cargo hub around an airport where all you can really offer is an empty runway. The word "hub" suggests that, on arrival in the airport, you will be awash with routes.

urajoke wrote: »

The last master plan I saw about 6+ years ago showed a cargo ramp south of 10/28 with associated buildings. Like most things I imagine its on the back burner or forgotten about.

Would it be a low priority on account of the short runway at DUB? Wouldn't that place particular constraints on cargo handling in general, and limit the capacity of long haul passenger aircraft to take cargo?

Also, do Ryanair do cargo? I'd a dim memory of them not doing it, to keep operations simple.

donkey balls

Ryanair don't do cargo or courier freight and from memory never have,The new link road between the N2 £ N3 is only 10 minute drive from the airport.
Seemingly the land around this new road has planning for commercial use.

expectationlost

donkey balls wrote: »

Just read the article in the link provided,The guy states that producer's from the west cannot access the markets to the likes of China and other markets quickly.
Now apart from Mayo and counties up that way Dublin can be reached by car/van in 2.5 hrs and by truck 3hrs approx,Also with the likes of EK & EY operating 2/3 flights out of Dub daily they can provide direct flights to the ME.
80% of freight is moved by pax aircraft around the world with the other 20% by dedicated freighter companies/charters,Also rumour has it that the DAA are looking to build some logistic park/offices as a dedicated freight terminal within the airport.

and article just below the clare herald one
Large passenger planes creating cargo capacity glut—IATA
http://business.inquirer.net/147833/large-passenger-planes-creating-cargo-capacity-glut-iata


isn't this cargo hub supposed to be for international cargo not just local companies exporting or international companies exporting from Ireland


so even if Shannon's is getting increasing passengers recently it may never be enough

expectationlost

Freight expectations: Cargo hub for Shannon can fly http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/business-news/freight-expectations-cargo-hub-for-shannon-can-fly-1-5704465

SHANNON has the potential to be “an international crossroads for cargo”, according to the man appointed to spearhead the development of the International Aviation Services Centre (IASC) around the airport.

Patrick Edmond, managing director, IASC.


The plans involve Shannon becoming a node in global air freight supply chains but would have knock-on benefits for specialist Irish producers in getting their product to market, Mr Edmond said

GCU Flexible Demeanour

expectationlost wrote: »

Freight expectations: Cargo hub for Shannon can fly http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/business-news/freight-expectations-cargo-hub-for-shannon-can-fly-1-5704465

The defiant imbecility of the provincial press is always to be admired.

<...> its Limerick conference centred on cargo

What did it actually centre on?

http://www.iata.org/events/Documents/cclp-2013-agenda.pdf

The variety of issues addressed in the 9th Cargo Claims & Loss Prevention Conference is also intended to provide a wide-ranging perspective on a very specific and often neglected area for the airline industry. From cargo insurance to ground handling, from movements of air cargo by road to transportation of time and temperature sensitive shipments, from freight forwarders' perspective to commercial relationships, this Conference will cover an extensive landscape of cargo claims and loss prevention management.

expectationlost

Draft National Aviation Policy http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/files/publications/aviation/english/draft-national-aviation-policy/draft-aviation-policy.pdf

Also, in the consultation process it was suggested that the introduction of US cargo preclearance could enhance Shannon Airport‘s potential as a recognised cargo transhipment point. The Department agrees but, following discussions with the US authorities, recognises the difficulties in initiating such a programme. In the context of establishing Shannon Group which will facilitate the development of an International Aviation Services Centre, the Department will promote the development of Shannon Airport as an aero-industry hub

moss.ie

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expectationlost

finally declared dead Shannon Airport €20m Lynx air cargo plan drops to earth http://shr.gs/qdKGztZ

J.pilkington

expectationlost wrote: »

finally declared dead Shannon Airport €20m Lynx air cargo plan drops to earth http://shr.gs/qdKGztZ

Not really surprised. At least the airport didn't go ahead and invest the €7m that Lynx wanted.

Disappointing journalism from the examiner with the headline / 1st paragraph dropping to dailymail / journal.ie standard.

roundymac

Yes, Examiner is becoming a rag, the Turkish Airlines coming to Cork is going to be flogged to death, then we will have a dramatic headline on how the "deal" has fallen through. Glad to see a senseable comment from T Dooley for a change.

expectationlost

PRIVATE COMPANY SOUGHT CONTROL OF SHANNON AIRPORT AS PART OF HUB NEGOTIATIONS http://www.clare.fm/news/private-company-sought-control-shannon-airport-part-hub-negotiations

Clare Councillors have heard that a private company which had looked to develop a major cargo hub at Shannon had effectively sought control of the Airport as part of their negotiation.

wonder if they've looked elswhere

http://www.clarecourier.ie/article.asp?id=4986