Public service allowances list

supermedic

http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Outcome-of-the-Review-of-Public-Service-Allowances.pdf

So here's the list from review of allowances in the public service. Appendix C shows what will be retained by new entrants

MagicSean

What's this non-public allowance for Gardaí they speak of?

tom traubert

MagicSean wrote: »

What's this non-public allowance for Gardaí they speak of?

If you mean "non public duty overtime", it's the overtime paid the Gardai who are employed, on overtime, to provide a policing service inside a location at which a large crowd have paid to congregate. It is paid at the same rate as normal overtime.

Think of the Gardai who you see inside Croke Park on match day or those working inside a festival site such as the Electric Picnic.

The organisers of events that require a policing presence inside the event location are invoiced by the state for the services of these members and as such the service should be cost neutral.

MagicSean

So basically they will take the money from the GAA and then use already working Gardaí to do the work thereby saving money while at the same time stripping working units to the bone. Great plan. :rolleyes:

BaronVon

What's a 'reward' allowance?

tom traubert

MagicSean wrote: »

So basically they will take the money from the GAA and then use already working Gardaí to do the work thereby saving money while at the same time stripping working units to the bone. Great plan. :rolleyes:

As I understood it, and I may well be wrong, the members on duty outside an event are paid from the public purse.

However the members on duty inside the event, and therefore not available to the general public, are employed on overtime which is paid for by the event organisers.

BaronVon

tom traubert wrote: »

As I understood it, and I may well be wrong, the members on duty outside an event are paid from the public purse.

However the members on duty inside the event, and therefore not available to the general public, are employed on overtime which is paid for by the event organisers.

The state also charges the organiser a lot more than they pay the Guard!

MagicSean

tom traubert wrote: »

As I understood it, and I may well be wrong, the members on duty outside an event are paid from the public purse.

However the members on duty inside the event, and therefore not available to the general public, are employed on overtime which is paid for by the event organisers.

Right I get that. So what are they scrapping exactly?

tom traubert

MagicSean wrote: »

tom traubert wrote: »

As I understood it, and I may well be wrong, the members on duty outside an event are paid from the public purse.

However the members on duty inside the event, and therefore not available to the general public, are employed on overtime which is paid for by the event organisers.

Right I get that. So what are they scrapping exactly?

The allowances listed in appendix A in the O.Ps link. It's a proposal only still.

Ya gotta read these things carefully.

MagicSean

tom traubert wrote: »

The allowances listed in appendix A in the O.Ps link. It's a proposal only still.

Ya gotta read these things carefully.

You're missing my question. The report says that non public duty overtime is something they are looking at cutting. But if it's event organisers that pay this cost what exactly are they cutting?

tom traubert

The answer to your question lies in appendix A of the linked document in post no. 1

As the reference to non public duty overtime is in appendix B, which details allowances which it is proposed be kept, but kept under review, I suppose the answer to your question is............... nothing.

goldie fish

Rent Allowance for new members is gone, official drivers allowance for new members is gone, exam grants also gone for new members, Bicycle allowance gone for new members.

However there has been no new members since 2009, and none on the horizon...

Delancey

Croke Park Agreement ( Mark II ) may well see cuts on allowances to existing members and not just new entrants.

goldie fish

Delancey wrote: »

Croke Park Agreement ( Mark II ) may well see cuts on allowances to existing members and not just new entrants.

Definitely.

audidiesel

then whats the point in agreeing to it so? if rent allowance goes then thats me defaulting on the mortgage even after i cancel the gra, medical insurance and life insurance.

only thing to do it that case is emigrate or if i want to stay in the country; make sure i get injured on duty somehow...

Rawhead

The unions should be hanging their heads in shame that they allowed these allowances to remain outside core pay for so long. The rent allowance is core pay and if they cut it people will lose their family homes. The media picks random allowances and takes the mickey out of them.

A good example is the tuck shop allowance in the IPS. The image portrayed is of a little shop operating out of a cupboard. The tuck shop in Mountjoy, Midlands or Wheatfield would have a turnover in excess of €2 million per year. Why would the person responsible for that amount of money not get €30 per week extra over his colleagues, the private sector would reward someone much more handsomely.

Delancey

Rawhead wrote: »

The unions should be hanging their heads in shame that they allowed these allowances to remain outside core pay for so long.

A retired Garda neighbour of mine says exactly the same , in his view the GRA allowed an erosion of basic pay to be masked by allowances and overtime. Mention the GRA to him and he invariably spits out a stream of expletives and curses !

deadwood

I'm sure the GRA will reduce the weekly subscription fee in line with pay cuts without being PROMPTED!

BaronVon

deadwood wrote: »

I'm sure the GRA will reduce the weekly subscription fee in line with pay cuts without being PROMPTED!

As far as I know, the subscription is a percentage of salary, so it will happen automatically.

deadwood

infacteh wrote: »

As far as I know, the subscription is a percentage of salary, so it will happen automatically.

They could reduce the percentage.

Potential-Monke

I'm in the same boat as audidiesel, i recently chagned my finances and came to a credit agreement with the CU to have a spare extra few bob a week. If they take my rent allowence (which was made part of core allowences in the 70's instead of getting a pay rise) then i'm back to square one with no possibility of getting another loan if i need it.

They can take my rent if they provide me with sleeping/living facilities in the station.

BaronVon

The proposal in this thread is that rent allowance will be scrapped for new entrants, of which there will be none for the foreseeable future.

The document linked by the OP states nothing about reducing rent allowance for serving members.

goldie fish

infacteh wrote: »

The proposal in this thread is that rent allowance will be scrapped for new entrants, of which there will be none for the foreseeable future.

The document linked by the OP states nothing about reducing rent allowance for serving members.

It can't, the croke park agreement protects that.

Until 2014. Then what?

Delancey

goldie fish wrote: »

It can't, the croke park agreement protects that.

Until 2014. Then what?

Thats the point. The Government failure to make any inroads into allowances beacuse of the CPA will put those same allowances very much in the ' firing line ' when CPA Mark II is being negotiated.

Even if serving staff are exempted in future it means a new Yellow Pack culture throughout the public service with all the problems inherent in such an unfair system.