Roundabout knowledge or rather lack of

keithsfleet

Seriously people, there is fecking ads running on tv on how to navigate a roundabout. Indicators are there for a reason, F-ing use them.
All to often you see people turning right on a roundabout too ignorant to use their indicators. Or, and something I take very personally, someone approaches a roundabout in the right hand lane which is clearly marked on the road as right turn only and then they plough straight through the roundabout.
Personally I go out of my way to race up the left hand lane and make sure I block you, possibly illegal and dangerous but this infuriates me.
If you use the road please have the decency to learn the rules.

Stheno

/fetches popcorn, sits back and puts feet up

So OP it's ok for you to drive dangerously because someone is pissing you off?

shane.

and if you use the road please have the decency to leave your road rage behaviour at home!!

keithsfleet

Sorry slightly exaggerated there, got caught up in my rant.
If I'm in the left lane about to enter the roundabout and someone comes up level with me in the right lane where both lanes are marked with their given directions, I will pull into the roundabout and if I see the other car attempt to speed up to get ahead I will press harder on the throttle.
I'm in the correct lane and they are trying to press in in front of me, I could be courteous and let them in but they should be fully aware of correct lane usage and as my point I refuse to let them in.

Indricotherium

keithsfleet wrote: »

Sorry slightly exaggerated there, got caught up in my rant.
If I'm in the left lane about to enter the roundabout and someone comes up level with me in the right lane where both lanes are marked with their given directions, I will pull into the roundabout and if I see the other car attempt to speed up to get ahead I will press harder on the throttle.
I'm in the correct lane and they are trying to press in in front of me, I could be courteous and let them in but they should be fully aware of correct lane usage and as my point I refuse to let them in.

You will cause an accident driving like that.

Also it makes you seem a bit of a dick.

corktina

use the search...we've done this soo many times already.

dgt

Infuriating yes but this isn't the place to admit publicly to gurella driving tactics....

whomitconcerns

and what if that car in that lane is carrying a bunch of sick blind orphan rabbits to the hospital and is in an emergency...the humanity......

Pataman

whomitconcerns wrote: »

and what if that car in that lane is carrying a bunch of sick blind orphan rabbits to the hospital and is in an emergency...the humanity......

WOW you caw that car aswell:eek::D

Zubeneschamali

Indricotherium wrote: »

Also it makes you seem a bit of a dick.

I think the dicks are the guys who "courteously" let lane-abusers and other deliberate rule-breakers back into traffic after they pull one of their aggressive queue-jumping stunts.

No need for counter aggression or rage, just don't yield to bullies, stick firmly to the rules, and hang them out in the wrong lane.

Yeah, I see you trying to nudge into the queue from the right-only lane, and no, you can't join ahead of me.

brinty

have to agree with keith on this

People haven't a clue on roundabouts at all, they don't indicate so people coming onto or getting off roundabouts are fooked..

Also where I live people seem to think its ok to go onto a roundabout and sit there as if its a normal traffic lane...FFS you only enter a round about if your exit ahead is clear...

Supergurrier

I would hold my line too tbh, why swerve to avoid someone who is in the wrong

whomitconcerns

Supergurrier wrote: »

I would hold my line too tbh, why swerve to avoid someone who is in the wrong

True...well at least you will still be in the right when they smack into the side of your car...its a no win move imho.

endacl

keithsfleet wrote: »

All to often you see people turning right on a roundabout too ignorant to use their indicators.

I've never seen anybody turn right on a roundabout. Every turn on a roundabout is technically a left turn. That's how they work.

Feck, I'm feeling pedantic today...

keithsfleet

dgt wrote: »

Infuriating yes but this isn't the place to admit publicly to gurella driving tactics....

Wouldn't consider letting someone that's knowingly in the wrong lane, in in front of me gurella driving

brinty wrote: »

have to agree with keith on this

People haven't a clue on roundabouts at all, they don't indicate so people coming onto or getting off roundabouts are fooked..

Thank you

Supergurrier wrote: »

I would hold my line too tbh, why swerve to avoid someone who is in the wrong

Thank you

whomitconcerns wrote: »

True...well at least you will still be in the right when they smack into the side of your car...its a no win move imho.

I drive a 17year old car worth €500 as my daily commuter so don't really mind if they hit me. Best AND worst case scenario my car is written off as uneconomical to repair.

endacl wrote: »

I've never seen anybody turn right on a roundabout. Every turn on a roundabout is technically a left turn. That's how they work.

You know what i mean.

Chris_Heilong

If they have an L plate it is somewhat understandable and you just give them a beep to let them know they are wrong, anyone else there is no excuse for, it is a simple as lack of road education. We need posters up and tv adverts as well as animated billboards with messages to educate the masses on how to use roundabouts and Motorways. A bit of communist style brainwashing might actually work here in Ireland.

keithsfleet

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

If they have an L plate it is somewhat understandable and you just give them a beep to let them know they are wrong, anyone else there is no excuse for, it is a simple as lack of road education.

Completely agree. It's been a few years since i done my driving test. Are roundabouts covered on it?

naughtysmurf

Would probably have done similar to the op when younger but older now and in not so much of a rush these days, good chance of a tip if he keeps doing it though, after the tip, he probably wont bother any more, life too short.

keithsfleet

naughtysmurf wrote: »

Would probably have done similar to the op when younger but older now and in not so much of a rush these days, good chance of a tip if he keeps doing it though, after the tip, he probably wont bother any more, life too short.

Won't be my fault if I'm in the correct lane and they're in the wrong lane pushing in on top of me.

naughtysmurf

keithsfleet wrote: »

Won't be my fault if I'm in the correct lane and they're in the wrong lane pushing in on top of me.

Be sure to let us all know of your injuries and / or the damage your car after you make the decision to not allow someone to cut in on you because you are in the right :rolleyes:

dr.fuzzenstein

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

If they have an L plate it is somewhat understandable and you just give them a beep to let them know they are wrong, anyone else there is no excuse for, it is a simple as lack of road education. We need posters up and tv adverts as well as animated billboards with messages to educate the masses on how to use roundabouts and Motorways. A bit of communist style brainwashing might actually work here in Ireland.

Won't work. You assume that these people use those lanes because they don't know any better.
The OP is talking about the scenario where there is a long queue to go straight through a roundabout, but the left or right turn lanes are empty.
So some arsehole, who knows perfectly well he's in the wrong lane, decides "Fcuk that, I'm not waiting in line", deliberately goes into the wrong lane and then floors it past everyone.
That sh*t boils my blood, I really have to concentrate hard on not flooring it too.
I have done in the past and I was certainly not shy about letting the other guy know that if he really wants to go for it, I don't mind wrecking him. And I mean this with the utmost sincerity. I would have. And then sued him (Judge, this guy just came out of nowhere and just rammed into me! Oh the pain! Oh the nightmares! add floods of tears to that), reported him to the cops for dangerous driving and ramming me and so on.
To me it's the single most infuriating thing on the road, it is my red rag and wave it at your peril.
Imagine you're at the checkout of a shop and you are just about to put your goods down. Suddenly you get elbowed aside and some wanker just plonks his shopping on the counter and just stands there staring at the checkout girl. And gets served.
It did happen to me and in this case I was just too dumbfounded to even say anything.
But it amounts to the same thing.

Indricotherium

keithsfleet wrote: »

naughtysmurf wrote: »

Would probably have done similar to the op when younger but older now and in not so much of a rush these days, good chance of a tip if he keeps doing it though, after the tip, he probably wont bother any more, life too short.

Won't be my fault if I'm in the correct lane and they're in the wrong lane pushing in on top of me.

It'll be driver side though.

Pottler

I've a fair few drivers working for me - some are a bit scary when it comes to roundabouts and the whole "what to do now" thing. Best approach to a roundabout might be "assume everyone else is nuts and is going to be in the wrong lane." Probably safer.:)

listenup

keithsfleet wrote: »

Seriously people, there is fecking ads running on tv on how to navigate a roundabout. Indicators are there for a reason, F-ing use them.
All to often you see people turning right on a roundabout too ignorant to use their indicators. Or, and something I take very personally, someone approaches a roundabout in the right hand lane which is clearly marked on the road as right turn only and then they plough straight through the roundabout.
Personally I go out of my way to race up the left hand lane and make sure I block you, possibly illegal and dangerous but this infuriates me.
If you use the road please have the decency to learn the rules.

try living in galway mate you would be losing your nut every time you got behind the wheel why do these **** wits bother trying to get a licence in the first place if their not gonna practice what they learn

keithsfleet

Pottler wrote: »

I've a fair few drivers working for me - some are a bit scary when it comes to roundabouts and the whole "what to do now" thing. Best approach to a roundabout might be "assume everyone else is nuts and is going to be in the wrong lane." Probably safer.:)

Shouldn't have to.
There is enough roundabouts in ireland for them to be a significant part of driving.
One of the first things you learn when you get driving lessons is your position in the lane when approaching a junction/right hand turn, granted, still a few full licence drivers out there that don't know what I'm on about but nowhere near as many full licence drivers that haven't an iota about roundabouts.
We shouldn't have to assume that the person in the lane beside me, which is clearly marked "exit 3 only", may actually be nuts OR plain dumb about rules of the road and may try cut me off.

keithsfleet

naughtysmurf wrote: »

Would probably have done similar to the op when younger but older now and in not so much of a rush these days, good chance of a tip if he keeps doing it though, after the tip, he probably wont bother any more, life too short.

Nope.
No, I'll keep on at my personal crusade to educate by "throttle, horn and finger" till I'm frail with arthritis and have my licence ripped out of my decaying hands by the licencing authority.....

hognef

endacl wrote: »

I've never seen anybody turn right on a roundabout. Every turn on a roundabout is technically a left turn. That's how they work.

Feck, I'm feeling pedantic today...

Ever been abroad? ;-)

listenup

shane. wrote: »

and if you use the road please have the decency to leave your road rage behaviour at home!!

and if your goin to get a licence and buy a car and take it out on the road have the courtesy to DRIVE IT RESPONSIBLY AND PUT INTO ACTION THE METHODS YOU LEARNED Which allowed you to remove your L plates because that's what I do every time I get into my car road rage is not something you immediately start to express when driving its gradually creeps into your driver manner over years of dealing with incompetent fools who SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED DRIVE A NAIL WITH A HAMMER

naughtysmurf

keithsfleet wrote: »

Nope.
No, I'll keep on at my personal crusade to educate by "throttle, horn and finger" till I'm frail with arthritis and have my licence ripped out of my decaying hands by the licencing authority.....

<Sigh>Yep, that will work

Pottler

keithsfleet wrote: »

Shouldn't have to.
There is enough roundabouts in ireland for them to be a significant part of driving.
One of the first things you learn when you get driving lessons is your position in the lane when approaching a junction/right hand turn, granted, still a few full licence drivers out there that don't know what I'm on about but nowhere near as many full licence drivers that haven't an iota about roundabouts.
We shouldn't have to assume that the person in the lane beside me, which is clearly marked "exit 3 only", may actually be nuts OR plain dumb about rules of the road and may try cut me off.

Indeed. Whenever your utopia is achieved, give me a bell, I'll go live there as well. meanwhile, to me, they're all nuts till proven otherwise.

TheChizler

listenup wrote: »

shane. wrote: »

and if you use the road please have the decency to leave your road rage behaviour at home!!

and if your goin to get a licence and buy a car and take it out on the road have the courtesy to DRIVE IT RESPONSIBLY AND PUT INTO ACTION THE METHODS YOU LEARNED Which allowed you to remove your L plates because that's what I do every time I get into my car road rage is not something you immediately start to express when driving its gradually creeps into your driver manner over years of dealing with incompetent fools who SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED DRIVE A NAIL WITH A HAMMER

Relax and don't bother yourself with correcting the behaviour of other drivers! No point giving yourself an early heart attack or worse.

endacl

hognef wrote: »

endacl wrote: »

I've never seen anybody turn right on a roundabout. Every turn on a roundabout is technically a left turn. That's how they work.

Feck, I'm feeling pedantic today...

Ever been abroad? ;-)

Yep. I reverse around the feckers.

123 LC

I'm a young driver and drove to the city the 1st time the other day, i hadn't a clue whether i would have to go straight or right to get into the city, turns out it was straight, but i was in the right lane, thankfully the person on my left let me out, and thankfully i didn't meet you OP or I'd have a crashed car, or be injured, or even worse.-so ya my point is people make mistakes sometimes at roundabouts :L This type of road rage gets on my nerves.

(I often use very busy roundabouts so i do know how to use them by the way)

challengemaster

123 LC wrote: »

I'm a young driver and drove to the city the 1st time the other day, i hadn't a clue whether i would have to go straight or right to get into the city, turns out it was straight, but i was in the right lane, thankfully the person on my left let me out, and thankfully i didn't meet you OP or I'd have a crashed car, or be injured, or even worse.-so ya my point is people make mistakes sometimes at roundabouts :L This type of road rage gets on my nerves.

(I often use very busy roundabouts so i do know how to use them by the way)

Aside from the fact that there's usually huge signs you can't miss before roundabouts telling you where to go, the correct thing to do if you're in the wrong lane is go around the roundabout fully and try again. Not barge on and hope for the best in a 1+ ton piece of metal.

123 LC

challengemaster wrote: »

Aside from the fact that there's usually huge signs you can't miss before roundabouts telling you where to go, the correct thing to do if you're in the wrong lane is go around the roundabout fully and try again. Not barge on and hope for the best in a 1+ ton piece of metal.

I didn't know the name of the road or area I was heading towards so the sign was useless to me, someone in the car was directing me so by the time they realised which turnoff i was supposed to take it was too late to change lanes.

Well I had never gone over this happening when learning to drive, and when you have 2 seconds to decide what to do it's hard to think logically.
My point was drivers should be tolerant of other drivers.

Zubeneschamali

TheChizler wrote: »

Relax and don't bother yourself with correcting the behaviour of other drivers! No point giving yourself an early heart attack or worse.

These are not bad drivers, they are not mad or incompetent. If they were that bad, they would crash every day (every day they met me or keithsfleet, at least). They have to be very good at reading other drivers, knowing who to bully.

They are just selfish. Why wouldn't they skip a queue of 20 cars by cutting up the wrong lane, when they know someone like yourself will yield to them at the head of the queue?

Zubeneschamali

123 LC wrote: »

thankfully i didn't meet you OP or I'd have a crashed car, or be injured, or even worse.

I'm more considerate than most about letting people change lane ahead of me if they are in the wrong lane. I let a van and a car in front of me just this morning, from the inside to the outside lane, both lanes jammed with traffic.

And yes, I can tell the difference between someone who's simply in the wrong lane and someone who's a selfish queue jumping pillock.

superflyninja

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

If they have an L plate it is somewhat understandable and you just give them a beep to let them know they are wrong, anyone else there is no excuse for, it is a simple as lack of road education. We need posters up and tv adverts as well as animated billboards with messages to educate the masses on how to use roundabouts and Motorways. A bit of communist style brainwashing might actually work here in Ireland.

Nope I completely disagree with this. Advertising the rules is a waste of time.Now dont get me wrong, there might be a tiny percentage that genuinely dont know the rules. But most people are being d!cks.They know exactly what they are doing and just want to bully their way through. No amount of road education will change that. Im 30 and only driving a couple of years but I soon learned that there are drivers out there that would think nothing of causing extremely dangerous situations day in day out just for a chance of skipping past a couple of cars. So my tack is the same as previous posters, stick to the rules and refuse to let lane skippers back in etc (unless they genuinely made a mistake by going into the wrong lane which ive done and been graciously allowed back in)

keithsfleet

I think in my ranting stages and quiet stages i may have slightly contradicted myself about this thread. I apologise, I'm quitting smoking at the minute and a bit like a pregnant.....
My main point in this is people that know the rules that apply to a roundabout but refuse to adhere to them. They know they have to indicate going left or right, they know when to indicate and they know what lane they should be in but still they think they have the overall right of way and do whatever pleases them because they are in a rush or they had a bad day.
Another point i made in this is, and it is still kind of staying with my original point.
People that are maybe "the above" but they may also be not quite sure of the rules but they still race off from the right hand lane beside you to get to the second exit before you.
I am not slating "learner" drivers. They carry a big red and white "L" sticker on they're car for a reason.
If you don't know the rules of the road (roundabout included) and you DO NOT have an "L" plate on you're car then please take a few minutes out and watch this

And by blocked they DO NOT mean by traffic that is waiting to move off.