How money is made from tillage? Explanation needed.

Hunter21

I do lots of shooting on tillage farms protecting crop and have a stud farm myself.
Talking to lots of tillage farmers on about the price of grain I fail to understand how they make a return on their investment.

One farmer I know got €2.30 a tonne for oats, he got 2.5 tonnes per acre. He set 40 acres of oats.
That's €230 he received for the product at the mill.

I don't know how much it cost him to prep the soil, sow it, spray it and harvest it but lets say it was costing him €50 to make the produce how does a farmer make up the deficit to make it worth his while?

Give me an example how much you invest into your grain and how you make the return?

reilig

Hunter21 wrote: »

I do lots of shooting on tillage farms protecting crop and have a stud farm myself.
Talking to lots of tillage farmers on about the price of grain I fail to understand how they make a return on their investment.

One farmer I know got €2.30 a tonne for oats, he got 2.5 tonnes per acre. He set 40 acres of oats.
That's €230 he received for the product at the mill.

I don't know how much it cost him to prep the soil, sow it, spray it and harvest it but lets say it was costing him €50 to make the produce how does a farmer make up the deficit to make it worth his while?

Give me an example how much you invest into your grain and how you make the return?

Way out there man....

He got Eur230 per ton.

He got Eur23000 at the mill!!

LostCovey

......and your 'stud farm' buys its oats for how much a tonne?

Ah, I get it.

Little bitteen of a windup for the counthry bhoys maybe?

Hillllarrrrious. Tell the goys at the Hunt Ball about it.

Odelay

LostCovey wrote: »

......and your 'stud farm' buys its oats for how much a tonne?

Ah, I get it.

Little bitteen of a windup for the counthry bhoys maybe?

Hillllarrrrious. Tell the goys at the Hunt Ball about it.

What????

Hunter21

LostCovey wrote: »

......and your 'stud farm' buys its oats for how much a tonne?

Ah, I get it.

Little bitteen of a windup for the counthry bhoys maybe?

Hillllarrrrious. Tell the goys at the Hunt Ball about it.

I asked a simple question! I clearly mis-heard what the real price was.

No need to start on about windups and hunt ball stuff

Thanks reilig for a good answer.

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bob charles

Hunter21 wrote: »

I asked a simple question! I clearly mis-heard what the real price was.

No need to start on about windups and hunt ball stuff

Thanks reilig for a good answer.

For example when Im selling beef and im asked the price I would say 390, which turns out to mean €3.90 a kilo, if I was selling grain I would say 250 which would actually be €250 a ton so if you know nothing about farming its easy see how a miscalculation occurs

LostCovey

This bit

have a stud farm myself

led me to believe you might have some vague idea of the price of oats.

Hence my assumption you were pulling our collective leg.

Is it a ferret stud?

LC

Manoffeeling

Well he was being belittling the guy.

LostCovey

Manoffeeling wrote: »

Well he was being belittling the guy.

He may not have intended to belittle him, and may in fact have believed that he could buy a ton of oats for the price of a box of Weetabix.

Hunter21

LostCovey wrote: »

This bit

have a stud farm myself

led me to believe you might have some vague idea of the price of oats.

Hence my assumption you were pulling our collective leg.

Is it a ferret stud?

LC

@ LostCovey for your info I have a severe hearing loss so that's a reason I didn't get the full price for the grain.
So don't judge a book by its cover like you judged the post as you assumed I was pulling the p#ss!


It's a horse breeding stud farm. We don't buy raw oats, we buy gain feed so I've no reason to know exactly what price grain gets. I just asked out of curiosity and maybe venture to tillage in the near future.

We'll leave it at this now as it's going off topic.

JD Green

I only mean on rented ground. This is nothing to do with the op but how is money made from tillage considering the costs of all the inputs? Ploughing 35, one pass 30, seed 30. rolling 5, fertilser 40?, sprays 20+, combine 50 that adds up to 210eur, if you were paying rent as well that could be another 300 in some parts of the country that would be 510eur. Any I spoke to about how their winter barley did said about 2 tonne, let's call that 400 euro taken in and another let's say 60 per acre for the straw.
All the above figures are from the contractor that I occasionally work for, would farmers be able to do it much more cheaply?

thanks

nilhg

JD Green wrote: »

I only mean on rented ground. This is nothing to do with the op but how is money made from tillage considering the costs of all the inputs? Ploughing 35, one pass 30, seed 30. rolling 5, fertilser 40?, sprays 20+, combine 50 that adds up to 210eur, if you were paying rent as well that could be another 300 in some parts of the country that would be 510eur. Any I spoke to about how their winter barley did said about 2 tonne, let's call that 400 euro taken in and another let's say 60 per acre for the straw.
All the above figures are from the contractor that I occasionally work for, would farmers be able to do it much more cheaply?

thanks

I wish those figures were right or even close, you'll get reasonably accurate figures from the Teagasc crops and returns booklet.


EDIT some more info here from the crops frum in Newbridge last week.


I'll dig my own out later on and see how close I am to them.