Army speed check point!!

leeomurchu

Travelling up the M7 yesterday I noticed and army transit parked in one of the Garda speed check point slip roads. Carried on driving only to notice on the way passed two soldiers standing behind the bonnet of the van with speed camera in hand wearing full camo with a RSA high vis. :eek:

Is this the solution the government has provided for the lack of Gardaí on our roads is it not bad enough those feckin private companies with their vans parked in ditches? :mad:

Anyway it just appeared to be an ordinary hand held speed camera so don't think they'd the capability to record speeds perhaps they had a sniper waiting further on up the road :eek: anybody got any ideas as to what it was all about?

kincsem

Run_to_da_hills might like to speculate.

squod

Blast him with piss soldier

Mr.Crinklewood

kincsem wrote: »

Run_to_da_hills might like to speculate.

It is not the Army, it is some of the aliens that landed during the opening ceremony of the Olympics.

stevedublin

I'd say it was a speed trap.

Mint Sauce

leeomurchu wrote: »

Travelling up the M7 yesterday I noticed and army transit parked in one of the Garda speed check point slip roads. Carried on driving only to notice on the way passed two soldiers standing behind the bonnet of the van with speed camera in hand wearing full camo with a RSA high vis. :eek:

Is this the solution the government has provided for the lack of Gardaí on our roads is it not bad enough those feckin private companies with their vans parked in ditches? :mad:

Anyway it just appeared to be an ordinary hand held speed camera so don't think they'd the capability to record speeds perhaps they had a sniper waiting further on up the road :eek: anybody got any ideas as to what it was all about?

They are monitoring their own.

Turner

Military police policing their own.

Nothing to worry about, and they have no power over non military personnel.

Colmustard

Its a new proactive speed control policy, those speed guns are attached to sniper rifles, 10mph over the limit and they have orders to take the shot.

Qwerty Dub

Turner wrote: »

Military police policing their own.

Nothing to worry about, and they have no power over non military personnel.

Would have to be a nasty aul soul to do their own.

Not that i encourage speeding.....but still.

leeomurchu

Turner wrote: »

Military police policing their own.

Nothing to worry about, and they have no power over non military personnel.

Thought it must've been somethin like that looked a bit like amateur hour, so do the Gardaí have no power to enforce the laws when it comes to soldiers?

Mr. Tezza

irish-stew wrote: »

They are monitoring their own.

AFAIK Military vehicles (government vehicles?) have different speed limits to civilian vehicles, I'm presuming that road is used by military vehicles a lot for transportation? they were probably just out there to monitor the speeds of military traffic/vehicles, were they wearing red berets by any chance?

seamus

leeomurchu wrote: »

Thought it must've been somethin like that looked a bit like amateur hour, so do the Gardaí have no power to enforce the laws when it comes to soldiers?

Afaik, there are laws which prohibit the Gardai from intercepting or otherwise interfering with the army on active duty (and vice-versa).

leeomurchu

Mr. Tezza wrote: »

AFAIK Military vehicles (government vehicles?) have different speed limits to civilian vehicles, I'm presuming that road is used by military vehicles a lot for transportation? they were probably just out there to monitor the speeds of military traffic/vehicles, were they wearing red berets by any chance?

I think they were wearing wine coloured berets. They were having the craic anyway must've been waiting on Private Pile. They were wearing brand spankin RSA high vis vests so Gaybo must be meddling again.

leeomurchu

seamus wrote: »

Afaik, there are laws which prohibit the Gardai from intercepting or otherwise interfering with the army on active duty (and vice-versa).

Shame I'd have loved to have seen them pulling in a Garda car although from news reports they seem to be above any laws once they show their charitable side or even better the sniper option

Praetorian Saighdiuir

It was just Military Police doing speed checks on Military vehicles. They are required to wear hi-viz vests while out of their vehicle.

They have NO authority to interfere with civilian vehicles, they may point the speed gun at you but dont worry about it.

PizzamanIRL

WW3 is coming.

kraggy

Or maybe something to do the RIRA arrests yesterday?

leeomurchu

benwavner wrote: »

It was just Military Police doing speed checks on Military vehicles. They are required to wear hi-viz vests while out of their vehicle.

They have NO authority to interfere with civilian vehicles, they may point the speed gun at you but dont worry about it.

Typical. I was well under the speed limit this time

squod

squod wrote: »

Blast him with piss soldier

Soldier doesn't do that, sniper does.

daithi09

Seeing as people hear seem to know a bit about the army, what's the craic with getting into the Military police. Do you join the army as normal and then go down that track? Or is it like an officer were you can join with the sole intention of being trained to become an officer?

PizzamanIRL

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

WW3 is coming.

they'll need more than a speed camera to slow down the invaders!

Praetorian Saighdiuir

daithi09 wrote: »

Seeing as people hear seem to know a bit about the army, what's the craic with getting into the Military police. Do you join the army as normal and then go down that track? Or is it like an officer were you can join with the sole intention of being trained to become an officer?

You can join the PDF as a Cadet or a Recruit. Once your respective training has completed, when the opportunity arises, you can apply to undergo a Military Police course.

bluecode

Ask over on the military forum Daithi. But if you become a redcap, expect to be unpopular.

As others said they were probably lying in wait for a military vehicle or vehicles. Which presumably they knew were on the way.

Having had the pleasure of travelling in various army vehicles over the years. I can tell you it's needed. Some of my trips were more akin to low flying than driving!

That area around there is army country. It passes the Curragh after all.

daithi09

Do ye have a defence forces forum? Something I can mooch around..

EDIT: Ah the military.. cool

fasttalkerchat

Better than having them on the dole I suppose.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Better than having them on the dole I suppose.

What has that got to do with anything?

bonzodog2

Full camo AND Hi-vis, interesting combination, no ? Maybe they were undercover !

MagicSean

You sure they weren't doing something for ordinances survey? Aren't the army involved in map making?

fasttalkerchat

benwavner wrote: »

What has that got to do with anything?

Well I assumed they had nothing better to be doing with the army so had them helping out the RSA.

ejmaztec

They could have been drying their hair.

rednik

The Military Police have been operating speed checks for many years, I did many in the '80s/'90s.

leeomurchu

MagicSean wrote: »

You sure they weren't doing something for ordinances survey? Aren't the army involved in map making?

fairly sure alright unless the RSA are involved in map making aswell

Definitely a speed gun I've seen more than my fair share

Praetorian Saighdiuir

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Well I assumed they had nothing better to be doing with the army so had them helping out the RSA.

They are not helping out the RSA. They just had hi-viz vests with RSA branded on them.

Speed checks are a routine Military Police duty. The Defence Forces have their own laws, military driving permits and driver standard operating procedures.

The Defence Forces have to obey civil and military law, the MP's were just out making sure the drivers were adhering to them.

leeomurchu

rednik wrote: »

The Military Police have been operating speed checks for many years, I did many in the '80s/'90s.

Solely for military vehicles?

Praetorian Saighdiuir

MagicSean wrote: »

You sure they weren't doing something for ordinances survey? Aren't the army involved in map making?

They have cartographers, yes, but this was nothing to do with them.

leeomurchu wrote: »

Solely for military vehicles?

Yes

leeomurchu

benwavner wrote: »

They are not helping out the RSA. They just had hi-viz vests with RSA branded on them.

Speed checks are a routine Military Police duty. The Defence Forces have their own laws, military driving permits and driver standard operating procedures.

The Defence Forces have to obey civil and military law, the MP's were just out making sure the drivers were adhering to them.

Should they not have ha MP or is there an equivalent branch of the RSA/traffic corps in the army. Perhaps we're all covered under the same umbrella and as ye are saying the army police their own while the Gsrdaí police us.

Milk & Honey

benwavner wrote: »

It was just Military Police doing speed checks on Military vehicles. They are required to wear hi-viz vests while out of their vehicle.

They have NO authority to interfere with civilian vehicles, they may point the speed gun at you but dont worry about it.

They can stop a civilian vehicle and arrest the occupants should the need arise.

leeomurchu

benwavner wrote: »

They have cartographers, yes, but this was nothing to do with them.

Is that the title for a map maker/plotter? Can't even think of the right term learn something new everyday

leeomurchu

Milk & Honey wrote: »

They can stop a civilian vehicle and arrest the occupants should the need arise.

Even for a speeding offence fair enough if they're posing a threat to them.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

leeomurchu wrote: »

Should they not have ha MP or is there an equivalent branch of the RSA/traffic corps in the army. Perhaps we're all covered under the same umbrella and as ye are saying the army police their own while the Gsrdaí police us.

The Gardai "police" civillian and military traffic. The military "police" military vehicles and soldiers driving civillian vehicles.

Milk & Honey wrote: »

They can stop a civilian vehicle and arrest the occupants should the need arise.

Soldiers performing duties in an ATCP role may detain a person or vehicle if the need arised, although that would be an exceptional circumstance. There are certain situations where military personnel will interact with civillian traffic....usually just assisting with an RTA.

leeomurchu wrote: »

Is that the title for a map maker/plotter? Can't even think of the right term learn something new everyday

Yes

leeomurchu wrote: »

Even for a speeding offence fair enough if they're posing a threat to them.

No, not for a speeding offence. It would have to be an exceptional circumstance.

Ken.

What happens is the police have a speed check near the Curragh on the M7. They notice a number of military vehicles speeding. They can't stop them but they do report to their boss who reports to the Military Police commander that a number of vehicles are speeding and they may want to do something about it.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

ken wrote: »

What happens is the police have a speed check near the Curragh on the M7. They notice a number of military vehicles speeding. They can't stop them but they do report to their boss who reports to the Military Police commander that a number of vehicles are speeding and they may want to do something about it.

Military vehicles can be stopped by AGS.

Vehicles in use for certain official military functions cannot be stopped. Although, AGS will rarely know the difference between the functions as it is not obvious.

Micky Dolenz

I hear marshal law has been declared. Be afraid, be very afraid

Praetorian Saighdiuir

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I hear marshal law has been declared. Be afraid, be very afraid

Sh.it, I better get my helmet!

Mr. Tezza

leeomurchu wrote: »

I think they were wearing wine coloured berets. They were having the craic anyway must've been waiting on Private Pile. They were wearing brand spankin RSA high vis vests so Gaybo must be meddling again.

Wine/Red berets, thats military police alrite.

Black Berets are Permanent Defence Force

Green ones are Reserve Defence Force

Gud luck stopping a member of the ARW! they'll prob tell them to f*ck off and just drive on!

stoneill

This thread again!

Praetorian Saighdiuir

stoneill wrote: »

This thread again!

This comment again! :P

rednik

Milk & Honey wrote: »

They can stop a civilian vehicle and arrest the occupants should the need arise.

Powers of arrest don't extend that far.

Milk & Honey

rednik wrote: »

Powers of arrest don't extend that far.

DEFENCE ACT, 1954
268.—(1) If any person, without lawful authority, makes or attempts to make any sketch, drawing, photograph, picture, painting, model or note of any fort, battery, field work, fortification or any military work of defence, aerodrome, barracks, post, magazine, munition factory, stores depot or any other Government property occupied or partly occupied by the Defence Forces or any portion thereof, such person shall be guilty of an offence under this subsection and shall be liable on summary conviction thereof to a fine not exceeding one hundred pounds or, at the discretion of the court, imprisonment for any term not exceeding twelve months, and all sketches, drawings, photographs, pictures, paintings, models and notes and all tools and all materials or apparatus for sketching, drawing, photographing, painting or modelling found in his possession shall be forfeited and may be destroyed, sold or otherwise disposed of as a Minister of State directs.

(4) Any member of the Defence Forces or of the Garda Síochána may without warrant arrest any person who he has reasonable grounds to believe has committed an offence under this section and bring him before a Justice of the District Court to be dealt with according to law.

bluecode

MagicSean wrote: »

You sure they weren't doing something for ordinances survey? Aren't the army involved in map making?

No used to be, hence Ordnance Survey. But that's my job or soon will be. No army involvement.