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Traffic Corps Garda found guilty of traffic offences

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,102 ✭✭✭mathie


    rte wrote:
    He escaped a court penalty while a judge confirms if he has made a contribution of €3,500 to the St Vincent De Paul.

    Are they typing this with their feet?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Who cares.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,743 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Still no conviction though.........may as well have given him 200 lines..


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Owen_S


    dahat wrote: »
    Still no conviction though.........may as well have given him 200 lines..
    I'm sure they wouldn't miss it from the evidence room.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭McG


    "But said he [the judge] was troubled about the implications that a court conviction would have for the garda's career as this was different to an ordinary citizen coming before the courts on road traffic matters."

    So what?! The law should be applied equally to all. :mad:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    He escaped a court penalty while a judge confirms if he has made a contribution of €3,500 to the St Vincent De Paul.

    Sounds a bit cryptic. A nice big fine there, I can't see him doing that again. It hurts like mad getting a large fine, so justice served even though this above line is cryptic, or unless RTE just made a boo boo of their text ?.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,743 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Total waste of time and court expenses n that case,seems a bit personal to me.
    Sh1te like this would sicken you....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    McG wrote: »
    "But said he [the judge] was troubled about the implications that a court conviction would have for the garda's career as this was different to an ordinary citizen coming before the courts on road traffic matters."

    So what?! The law should be applied equally to all. :mad:

    It's not as if he'd lose his job....


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,743 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    zenno wrote: »
    He escaped a court penalty while a judge confirms if he has made a contribution of €3,500 to the St Vincent De Paul.

    Sounds a bit cryptic. A nice big fine there, I can't see him doing that again. It hurts like mad getting a large fine, so justice served even though this above line is cryptic, or unless RTE just made a boo boo of their text ?.

    A slap on the wrist effectively,fine paid then there is no criminal conviction and he continues to do his job and send others to court for convictions for the very same offence.........
    What a total waste of bloody time bringing him to court.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    dahat wrote: »
    A slap on the wrist effectively,fine paid then there is no criminal conviction and he continues to do his job and send others to court for convictions for the very same offence.........
    What a total waste of bloody time bringing him to court.

    anybody going to court for nct or tax is a waste of time imo

    post fines out, court should be only for appeals


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭gustavo


    Always amuses me when I see one of those cars on a roundabout - Usually they haven't a clue of when to indicate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    i reckon the copper that done him must have had some sort of personal grudge, idk how many times my tax has been out 2 months and what nct??? and the copper lets me drive on


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Ahh the poor garda's job is so difficult in these times we will give them a little leeway and not give them an endorsement as this wouldn't look good on his/her record blah blah blaaaahhhh.

    Not good enough, the treating of a person/persons in law should be the same but this is the usual crap we always get, one law for the joe-soap and one for the so-called protectors of society. another human rights breach.






    I know, i'm getting carried away again, but there should be one law no matter who/what you do or are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Idiot.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,798 ✭✭✭Local-womanizer


    I have seen cases of "normal joe soaps" getting off an offence with a contribution to a charity. Hell one judge up here, instead of convicting a person made him climb Croagh Patrick and donate to the church at the top!

    Just because this is a guard everyone flies off the handle!

    Not condoning the fact he had no tax etc, but I can't and won't criticise, I have no tax either!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    I have seen cases of "normal joe soaps" getting off an offence with a contribution to a charity. Hell one judge up here, instead of convicting a person made him climb Croagh Patrick and donate to the church at the top!

    sounds like my kinda judge :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Idiot.

    I can be sometimes :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    Judge not, lest ye not be judged...and put off the road for 6 months.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Thrill wrote: »
    Judge not, lest ye not be judged...and put off the road for 6 months.

    There would be no Thrill in that at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Itsdacraic


    davet82 wrote: »
    i reckon the copper that done him must have had some sort of personal grudge, idk how many times my tax has been out 2 months and what nct??? and the copper lets me drive on

    He's notorious around Limerick for dishing out tickets and a lot of people will take a lot of pleasure in this. I actually say him on Monday evening dishing out a ticket.

    Now it looks like even his own colleagues don't like him.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 51,876 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Itsdacraic wrote: »
    He's notorious around Limerick for dishing out tickets and a lot of people will take a lot of pleasure in this. I actually say him on Monday evening dishing out a ticket.

    Now it looks like even his own colleagues don't like him.

    Maybe they are just doing their jobs "without fear, favour, malice or ill-will" in accordance with the oath they took.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭talla10


    Thrill wrote: »
    Judge not, lest ye not be judged...and put off the road for 6 months.

    You can't get a ban for no tax or NCT. Maximum punishment for NCT is 5 points and/or fine. No tax max punishment is fine. You would never get a Joe Soap with no previous convictions getting that high a fine. I think the Judge did well gave fine of the higher end of things to send out a message. I've seen other motorists get €300 fine for same offences and once paid no conviction recorded.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Itsdacraic wrote: »
    He's notorious around Limerick for dishing out tickets and a lot of people will take a lot of pleasure in this. I actually say him on Monday evening dishing out a ticket.

    Now it looks like even his own colleagues don't like him.

    A fare few garda out there don't like being out-doors all day and in crappy weather so some of them would do you for the tiniest thing just to get in out of the cold or heat and be glad and happy to do paperwork ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 724 ✭✭✭jonsnow


    Garda Mike O’Shaughnessy, of Kilternan Cross, Croagh, Co Limerick, has been described as one of the most experienced members of the Traffic Corps in Limerick.

    His superior, Inspector Paul Reidy told Limerick District Court he saw Garda O’Shaughnessy driving in the garda car park at Henry Street on both dates.


    Definitely something personal at play here.Don,t mess with chain of command they will nail you to the wall.Seems like a fair outcome to me given the fact that it is about as small a breach of the law that exists.Its amazing though isn,t it this guy gets up and goes to work every day knowing that what he is stopping and lecturing people for not doing - he hasn,t even bothered to do himself.Its not like it could slip his mind either like a regular punter given that he deals with it every single day.

    How many guards actually pay their tax and nct.Is it even 50%.I mean this guy only got done because he really pissed off his direct superior.No chance of this happening to a garda in the normal course of events.Whenever an offduty garda knocks someone down it usually turns out that they haven't bothered to pay it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    I think t is right to throw the book at him, I wonder how many the garde has done for no tax/NCT, I suppose he thought he could just wink at a garde at a checkpoint and flash his badge and then be told to get on his way.

    It gives me faith in the force when I see them doing their own.


  • Registered Users Posts: 51,876 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    jonsnow wrote: »
    Garda Mike O’Shaughnessy, of Kilternan Cross, Croagh, Co Limerick, has been described as one of the most experienced members of the Traffic Corps in Limerick.

    His superior, Inspector Paul Reidy told Limerick District Court he saw Garda O’Shaughnessy driving in the garda car park at Henry Street on both dates.


    Definitely something personal at play here.Don,t mess with chain of command they will nail you to the wall.Seems like a fair outcome to me given the fact that it is about as small a breach of the law that exists.Its amazing though isn,t it this guy gets up and goes to work every day knowing that what he is stopping and lecturing people for not doing - he hasn,t even bothered to do himself.Its not like it could slip his mind either like a regular punter given that he deals with it every single day.

    How many guards actually pay their tax and nct.Is it even 50%.I mean this guy only got done because he really pissed off his direct superior.No chance of this happening to a garda in the normal course of events.Whenever an offduty garda knocks someone down it usually turns out that they haven't bothered to pay it.

    When you are looking around mind you don't bang your chin on that chip on your shoulder. This lad was caught by a Garda don't forget. I have seen many similar instances of Garda catching Garda in fairness to them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 724 ✭✭✭jonsnow


    When you are looking around mind you don't bang your chin on that chip on your shoulder. This lad was caught by a Garda don't forget. I have seen many similar instances of Garda catching Garda in fairness to them.

    In relation to traffic offences (not including drink driving) I would imagine its pretty unusual for an onduty garda to catch another garda and go so far as to have him up in court.This reeks of a personal clash but you believe what you want and I,ll believe what I want-hows that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,013 ✭✭✭kincsem


    Garda O’Shaughnessy insists he left work at 3pm on 9 May, earlier than when the Inspector could not have seen him, and that he was at home on a rest day on 31 May.
    Having heard the evidence, Judge Eugene O’Kelly said he was satisfied that the charges had been proven against Garda O’Shaughnessy.
    But said he was troubled about the implications that a court conviction would have for the garda's career as this was different to an ordinary citizen coming before the courts on road traffic matters. Judge O’Kelly was told Garda O’Shaughnessy had no previous convictions and had an impeccable record, but that any court conviction would be a matter for a disciplinary tribunal at a later date.


    He must have fried the judge's brain with that defence (first sentence.)
    As said above, one law for some, one law for others.
    Of course he has no previous conviction if all his cases are quashed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭up for anything


    Having heard the evidence, Judge Eugene O’Kelly said he was satisfied that the charges had been proven against Garda O’Shaughnessy.

    But said he was troubled about the implications that a court conviction would have for the garda's career as this was different to an ordinary citizen coming before the courts on road traffic matters.

    They don't worry about the implications that a court conviction would have for an ordinary person's career. I don't like the way that a guard gets a higher fine. Shouldn't we all get treated the same. :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    They don't worry about the implications that a court conviction would have for an ordinary person's career. I don't like the way that a guard gets a higher fine. Shouldn't we all get treated the same. :rolleyes:

    We aren't all treated the same, the judge does take mitigating circumstances into consideration. Some get higher fines and stiffer sentences then others, there is no mandatory sentences or fines.


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