shock collars

snipe02

http://http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/news/534727/Kennel_Club_Government_have_no_choice_but_to_ban_electric_collars.html
do ye think shock training collars should be banned i do and would like to see it happen i think they are \can be cruel and there is no need for them but ive no experience with pointers setters or labs plus never used one or seen one being used what do ye think

One shot on kill

Is an electric fence for cattle horses etc the same.

I don't think there cruel I've never used one to be honest be once when you shock the dog his hair doesn't stand up id say there ok.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is once its not electric cuting the dog it's only suppose to correct the dog and change his train of thought and mind set before he does something he shouldn't.

newmug

We have one. Its the best training aid out there.

When we got it, our pup was fairly unruly. He was the most hyper dog going. We tried to train him on the whistle, but he would just run ahead and do what he liked.

The collar has 3 settings. A nasty shock, a light shock, and a vibration. We only had to use the nasty shock once. Once ever. That was it. The dog knew he had to be obedient. From then on, we'd just use the vibration setting, which is totally and completely painless. It still lets the dog know you mean business though, he's now the best behaved dog we ever had.

It only ever went wrong once. We heard all this yelping coming from the jeep. We ran over and the poor aul dog was being shocked away. Wasnt something pressing on the remote in the aul lads pocket!!!

garv123

Does this include the radio fence collars to keep dogs within the boundaries of the garden?

owelfisherman

garv123 wrote: »

Does this include the radio fence collars to keep dogs within the boundaries of the garden?

No
i think they work great for headstrong dogs.just dont use the nasty one on a real shy dog .

EPointer=Birdss

newmug wrote: »

We have one. Its the best training aid out there.

When we got it, our pup was fairly unruly. He was the most hyper dog going. We tried to train him on the whistle, but he would just run ahead and do what he liked.

The collar has 3 settings. A nasty shock, a light shock, and a vibration. We only had to use the nasty shock once. Once ever. That was it. The dog knew he had to be obedient. From then on, we'd just use the vibration setting, which is totally and completely painless. It still lets the dog know you mean business though, he's now the best behaved dog we ever had.

It only ever went wrong once. We heard all this yelping coming from the jeep. We ran over and the poor aul dog was being shocked away. Wasnt something pressing on the remote in the aul lads pocket!!!

Precisely! (well except the last piece!)

charlie10

whats cruel is an out of control dog that runs for a gate and gets dragged a couple of hundred yards down the road by an artic ,using a collar is the same as slapping a child across the arse it has to be done to enforce manners. i had to use one on the pointer to stop him chasing livestock or else he would of been poleaxed by a bull which would of been alot worse so go figure

garv123

owelfisherman wrote: »

No
i think they work great for headstrong dogs.just dont use the nasty one on a real shy dog .

They are a great little thing. The dog gets shocked one and learns his lesson and never goes past the beeping sound again.
Id rather have the dogs on that than having them locked up in a pen or on a chain and it reduces the chances of them getting out onto the road.

snipe02

charlie10 wrote: »

whats cruel is an out of control dog that runs for a gate and gets dragged a couple of hundred yards down the road by an artic ,using a collar is the same as slapping a child across the arse it has to be done to enforce manners. i had to use one on the pointer to stop him chasing livestock or else he would of been poleaxed by a bull which would of been alot worse so go figure

well i wouldnt slap my kids on the arse there are others ways to go about that aswell, but i can see how they can be used as a last resourt i suppose id be afraid of doing more harm than good with it ive been looking at a lot of vids on youtube and some show really positive examples of how they can be used maybe im being ignorent but dont think id ever use one, sure hope i never have to eat these words

charlie10

a dog that would repeatedly do something out of the way would come close to a boot up the arse let alone a slap!! but the collar gives u a 200 yard hand that can catch them in the act at that very second rather than roaring at them when they come back. we all got a slap in the arse at some stage well at least i did anyway

Vizzy

I must say that I would have been on snipe02's side on this if you had asked me 12 months ago.
Seen too many dogs ruined by shock collars( including nearly doing it myself with a collar that did'nt have enough range a few years ago).I think there are/were too many idiots out there who don't know the first thing about training a dog and think that a shock collar will solve the problems for them.
It won't.

But I have been completely converted to them.
Don't have one myself as my problem is the dog won't go out far enough if anything.
Anyway the brother has one with about 600 or 700 metre range which is good when you are out on the mountain.
The thing that is brilliant about them is the fact that the dog gets the correction message( a buzzing sound in 99% of cases) when he does something wrong and not when he arrives back to you.
I was babysitting his two dogs a few weeks ago as i have done previously and I didn't have any collars on them but they operated exactly the same for me on the whistle as they would for the brother(this would not have happened a few months ago as the dogs would have "tried it on with their new trainer")

Vizzy

charlie10 wrote: »

a dog that would repeatedly do something out of the way would come close to a boot up the arse let alone a slap!! but the collar gives u a 200 yard hand that can catch them in the act at that very second rather than roaring at them when they come back. we all got a slap in the arse at some stage well at least i did anyway

Great minds or what ?

EPointer=Birdss

Ive debated the sh*t out of this on here before. Some good threads buried in the archives but I'm too lazy to go looking for em!

Snipe02 keep up that back chat & I'll give you a slap on the arse!
That'll learn ya!! :P

snipe02

charlie10 wrote: »

a dog that would repeatedly do something out of the way would come close to a boot up the arse let alone a slap!! but the collar gives u a 200 yard hand that can catch them in the act at that very second rather than roaring at them when they come back. we all got a slap in the arse at some stage well at least i did anyway

true never got one i didnt deserve

snipe02

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

Ive debated the sh*t out of this on here before. Some good threads buried in the archives but I'm too lazy to go looking for em!

Snipe02 keep up that back chat & I'll give you a slap on the arse!
That'll learn ya!! :P

at this stage i enjoy a good slap on the arse ya had a feeling this would be done to death but i reckon if england get a ban that flock of sheep in goverment will follow suit, and wanted to see if anyone else disagrees with them but they all hiding

cavan shooter

I am as they say a Hypocrite, I wouldn't use a training collar but use a wireless fence.

German pointer

newmug wrote: »

We have one. Its the best training aid out there.

When we got it, our pup was fairly unruly. He was the most hyper dog going. We tried to train him on the whistle, but he would just run ahead and do what he liked.

The collar has 3 settings. A nasty shock, a light shock, and a vibration. We only had to use the nasty shock once. Once ever. That was it. The dog knew he had to be obedient. From then on, we'd just use the vibration setting, which is totally and completely painless. It still lets the dog know you mean business though, he's now the best behaved dog we ever had.

+1 on that. I have a very headstrong pointer and it works great on him

mixerbarcoe

i have one of the sport dog collars 700 meter on and it has 8 different levels and a beep button too...great piece of kit..the dog before i got it would tare after hares all the time and when she got on the scent of a pheasent would run up the ditch following the scent till she flushes the bird which could be 150 yards away...we used to have to leg it after dog when she get on a scent..when she wasnt on a scent she be grand listen to the whistle all the time just when on scent or after hares...think i used the shock on the collar twice since i got it just have to hit beeper on it when she goes out to far and she come straight back every time no matter what now...

TriggerPL

It not so much the collar , but the man in charge of it , never had to use it on labs but head strong pointer that take the country and a spaniel that though he was super dog.

All it take is to be use right . A loud pep of the whistle and then a shock if no stopping

Thomas Drennan

Well i keep gsp all my life never had to use one, but 2 years ago i bought the most head strong bitch i ever had ,would do everything right on a long rope but as soon as you let her off end of story , so i bought one went easy on her now she is spot on a probally the best bitch i ever walked behind ,so its easy for some people to say do or dont use them a person must make his own decision on it but i know without it i would not have this bitch now and boy would that be a big mistake for me.

quicko

I have a 18 month make Gwp . He is fine in training but when in a new area and he starts to hunt he suddenly becomes deaf to the whistle. He always recalls but when it suits him. I was thinking about a collar for him. We are back to basics again now with a zero tolerance to slow stops and recalls but I think the collar may be a good backup. What brands do you recommend?.

mixerbarcoe

heres the one i have good piece of kit... thats best price i have seen for it too

http://www.britishdog.net/index.php?app=gbu0&ns=prodshow&ref=SportDog_SportTrainer_700&sid=jr75261th2w238fir03g9d46wm7qu516