The Virgin Mary and the devil, Monaghan

newmug

Hi all. Did anyone hear of an apparation of the Virgin Mary and the devil in Clones, Monaghan last night? They were on about on the Ray D'arcy show this morning!!!!!!!!

MarkR

Just someone like yourself texting in asking had anyone heard about it. Sounds like moving statues all over again.

PDN

newmug wrote: »

Hi all. Did anyone hear of an apparation of the Virgin Mary and the devil in Clones, Monaghan last night? They were on about on the Ray D'arcy show this morning!!!!!!!!

How did they know what the Devil looks like?

newmug

^^^^^ How do I know!!!!

So does anyone actually know anything about this?

FANTAPANTS

1st i heard off it here

MagicMarker

PDN wrote: »

How did they know what the Devil looks like?

How did they know what Mary looked like?

copeyhagen

move this to after hours!

newmug

copeyhagen wrote: »

move this to after hours!

Why? Its Christianity related. If it turns out to be a hoax, so be it. If its a genuine supernatural occurance, AH is not the place.

Meleftone

AH is perfect for fairy tales and superstition

Juza1973

I don't think that Our Lady and the devil would appear together like in a political debate... Assuming that this was supernatural it would be a trick from the devil...

Gumbi

Juza1973 wrote: »

I don't think that Our Lady and the devil would appear together like in a political debate... Assuming that this was supernatural it would be a trick from the devil...

Maybe Mary is in league with the Devil and they've fooled you all?

toxicity234

OMG. maybe there having an affair...........

Sin City

Seriously though whats the story
What were Mary and the Devil doing? and in Monaghan of all places?

PDN

MagicMarker wrote: »

How did they know what Mary looked like?

Ah, we've had that debate before. Apparently she looks like a European girl, and Jesus transmogrifies Himself back into a being a baby for the purpose of apparitions.

An apparition of the Devil, however, is a new one to me. The fact that people were able to recognise him suggests that they must already know him in some way. Unless, of course, he was helpfully wearing a name-tag.

newmug

PDN wrote: »

Ah, we've had that debate before. Apparently she looks like a European girl, and Jesus transmogrifies Himself back into a being a baby for the purpose of apparitions.

An apparition of the Devil, however, is a new one to me. The fact that people were able to recognise him suggests that they must already know him in some way. Unless, of course, he was helpfully wearing a name-tag.

What, you've never heard of people seeing visions of the devil? Fatima? Hell? Standard enough big ugly red man with hooves and horns methinks.

Sin City

PDN wrote: »

Ah, we've had that debate before. Apparently she looks like a European girl, and Jesus transmogrifies Himself back into a being a baby for the purpose of apparitions.

An apparition of the Devil, however, is a new one to me. The fact that people were able to recognise him suggests that they must already know him in some way. Unless, of course, he was helpfully wearing a name-tag.

Do you not think the big red horns and pitchfork might have given him away?

Actually scratch the pitchfork, he was in Monaghan lol

PDN

newmug wrote: »

What, you've never heard of people seeing visions of the devil? Fatima? Hell? Standard enough big ugly red man with hooves and horns methinks.

In other words, exactly as somebody who has read enough fiction might imagine the Devil would look like?

martinedwards

I can understand the devil living in Monaghan.......

Arcspeed

The "Marian" apparition phenomenin is of a satanic imposter crafted by satan in order to undermine our understanding of Jesus' unique and vital significance.
I am saying nothing against Mary this is not Mary it is satan aiming to encorage devotion to Mary taking our focus or our one one Savior Jesus the Messiah.

Sin City

Arcspeed wrote: »

The "Marian" apparition phenomenin is of a satanic imposter crafted by satan in order to undermine our understanding of Jesus' unique and vital significance.
I am saying nothing against Mary this is not Mary it is satan aiming to encorage devotion to Mary taking our focus or our one one Savior Jesus the Messiah.

and he chose monaghan as the perfect location to undermine jesuses significance?

Happyman42

Sin City wrote: »

and he chose monaghan as the perfect location to undermine jesuses significance?

Jesus didn't realise that the 7.30pm bus to Clones doesn't run during the summer.

newmug

PDN wrote: »

In other words, exactly as somebody who has read enough fiction might imagine the Devil would look like?

No, exactly like previous eye-witnesses have stated.

newmug

Arcspeed wrote: »

The "Marian" apparition phenomenin is of a satanic imposter crafted by satan in order to undermine our understanding of Jesus' unique and vital significance.
I am saying nothing against Mary this is not Mary it is satan aiming to encorage devotion to Mary taking our focus or our one one Savior Jesus the Messiah.

I can see your point. But usually the messages these entities give are to pray to Jesus more. Also, what about when Jesus appears? satan would hardly appear as Jesus and tell people NOT to pray to Jesus?

Northclare

Ah the Divel.

They say her love to shove hot poker's up the posterior of non believers and sinners.

The Divel hmmm

He was on Podge and Rodge a few times.

The greatest trick the Divel ever pulled,was to convince people he doesn't exist :S

Sin City

Northclare wrote: »

Ah the Divel.

They say her love to shove hot poker's up the posterior of non believers and sinners.

The Divel hmmm

He was on Podge and Rodge a few times.

The greatest trick the Divel ever pulled,was to convince people he doesn't exist :S

Some say he died and was burried in Killarney
But more say he rose again and joined the British army

BunShopVoyeur

The local economy must need a boost...

sbsquarepants

Maybe they've kissed and made up?

iDave

the devil...sure it wasnt Banty they saw?

Northclare

The Divel is reading this as we all read it.
There's a Divel in all of us

Woe to you oh earth and sea,
For the Divel sends his beasty with
wrath,
For he knows his time is short,
For it is a human number,
The number is.....

Tomk1

newmug wrote: »

What, you've never heard of people seeing visions of the devil? Fatima? Hell? Standard enough big ugly red man with hooves and horns methinks.

Kinda like yerr man from the DVD anti-piracy "You wont steal a car" advert?

Sin City

Tomk1 wrote: »

Kinda like yerr man from the DVD anti-piracy "You wont steal a car" advert?

Dont you tell me what I would or wouldnt do

lmaopml

Wow, what a mad thread.

People claim personal revelations all the time - and it's not only limited to Catholics. Shine a torch in the dark...and see what is a worthy example if not Mary.

Catholics happen to venerate Mary the Mother of Jesus Christ. Who was blessed. Yes, she was.

newmug

lmaopml wrote: »

Wow, what a mad thread.

People claim personal revelations all the time - and it's not only limited to Catholics. Shine a torch in the dark...and see what is a worthy example if not Mary.

Catholics happen to venerate Mary the Mother of Jesus Christ. Who was blessed. Yes, she was.

Venerate Mary indeed. But who venerates the devil?

Indeed people do claim to see things. So has anybody seriously (I count 19 out of 32 p1ss-taking posts) heard anything about this particular incident?

lmaopml

newmug wrote: »

Venerate Mary indeed. But who venerates the devil?

Indeed people do claim to see things. So has anybody seriously (I count 19 out of 32 p1ss-taking posts) heard anything about this particular incident?

No, I have not heard anything. It seems that only some have heard, and are dying to spread the news....what's new? There is always somebody looking for attention somewhere and willing to use any means, and God forgive their motives.

Our Lady - St. Mary - Jesus Christ, our saviour, who was both God and Man, she was his Mum, and the very first Christian, the very first. We would do well to imitate her, and be a hand maid.

Northclare

Someone said pray to Jesus right.
Are we not better off just simply praying to God,afterall praying to idols isn't what Christianity is all about.

Ok Jesus is the son of God,but you also have the holy trinity which combined as one is God.

So how many of you pray to Jesus ?

How many pray to the father ?

I think the holy spirit hardly gets any attention.

It seems to me praying to God the father is more practical,that's when praying like...

LordSutch

MagicMarker wrote: »

How did they know what Mary looked like?

She looked like this according to some accounts.

newmug

Northclare wrote: »

Someone said pray to Jesus right.
Are we not better off just simply praying to God,afterall praying to idols isn't what Christianity is all about.

Ok Jesus is the son of God,but you also have the holy trinity which combined as one is God.

So how many of you pray to Jesus ?

How many pray to the father ?

I think the holy spirit hardly gets any attention.

It seems to me praying to God the father is more practical,that's when praying like...

You're over-thinking things a bit there. Jesus IS God, just in his Earthly form. The Holy Spirit is God in spirit form, and God the Father is God in his normal form. You can pray to any of them / him.

lmaopml wrote: »

No, I have not heard anything. It seems that only some have heard, and are dying to spread the news....what's new? There is always somebody looking for attention somewhere and willing to use any means, and God forgive their motives.

Our Lady - St. Mary - Jesus Christ, our saviour, who was both God and Man, she was his Mum, and the very first Christian, the very first. We would do well to imitate her, and be a hand maid.

A serious answer- THANK YOU Lmaopml!!!!!

PDN

newmug wrote: »

You're over-thinking things a bit there. Jesus IS God, just in his Earthly form. The Holy Spirit is God in spirit form, and God the Father is God in his normal form. You can pray to any of them / him.

The view you've just expressed is called Modalism. Most denominations, including the RCC, would see it as heretical.

lmaopml

PDN wrote: »

The view you've just expressed is called Modalism. Most denominations, including the RCC, would see it as heretical.

I don't understand why you think the view is Modalist PDN in relation to the Trinity?

Perhaps praying to any/all of them is not the best expression, but the emphasis is not on a separation that I can see in his/her post? The Trinity is a difficult concept to articulate - sometimes I think St. Patrick nailed it when he tried to describe it in relation to a Shamrock, without being too pedantic, or all knowing about something that is true but a mystery too.

PDN

lmaopml wrote: »

I don't understand why you think the view is Modalist PDN in relation to the Trinity?

Perhaps praying to any/all of them is not the best expression, but the emphasis is not on a separation that I can see in his/her post? The Trinity is a difficult concept to articulate - sometimes I think St. Patrick nailed it when he tried to describe it in relation to a Shamrock, without being too pedantic, or all knowing about something that is true but a mystery too.

Modalism teaches that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are just God in different forms. Trinitarian theology teaches three distinct Persons in the Trinity.

lmaopml

PDN wrote: »

Modalism teaches that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are just God in different forms. Trinitarian theology teaches three distinct Persons in the Trinity.

Maybe it's a case of unfortunate expression sometimes, I think we could all be forgiven for it??...afterall, it's hard to descibe the indescribable at times using words - but to emphasise what is true is always good. Hence your post.

I don't think Newmug was discussing God's nature, but moreso trying to convey to another poster the unification of Father, Son and Spirit - because that poster expressed themselves and their understanding as something that is not 'unified', like one doesn't get a look in for the other - that's seperating God who is afterall one.

You're right to correct, but don't be too harsh either - Newmug was right to address and at least try to convey the unity.

newmug

^^^^^ Exactly. I was just trying to keep things straight-forward for Northclare. Cheers Lmaopml.

AtomicHorror

LordSutch wrote: »

She looked like this according to some accounts.

Other accounts say she looks like this:

J C

PDN wrote: »

Modalism teaches that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are just God in different forms.

... which they are.

PDN wrote: »

Trinitarian theology teaches three distinct Persons in the Trinity.

... which they are.

... just solved something that has divided Christians for hundreds of years!!!:D

tayto lover

newmug wrote: »

Venerate Mary indeed. But who venerates the devil?

Indeed people do claim to see things. So has anybody seriously (I count 19 out of 32 p1ss-taking posts) heard anything about this particular incident?

The lad who saw it is still sobering up I was told.

PDN

tayto lover wrote: »

The lad who saw it is still sobering up I was told.

There's always one!

dvae

newmug wrote: »

You're over-thinking things a bit there. Jesus IS God, just in his Earthly form.

just a thought, if Jesus is god in an earthly form, id presume Jesus is then
just known as god in a heavenly form.
dose the bible not talk about Jesus residing in heaven before and after he
came to the earth?

santing

Only before and after?

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
(Joh 3:13, KJV)

tayto lover

God bewitch yis.