Gear up landing video.

durandal01

I found this video last night. It shows a bloke pranging his pretty aeroplane by simple absent mindedness. It can happen easily with no checklist and maybe the alarm was in some way cancelled out by his head phones. The incident occurred back in '09.
http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2011/11/raw-video-airplane-crash-altiport-de.html

Davidth88

I was always taught BUMPF

the U bit was pretty pointless ( I was in a PA28 ) but I always went through the motions .


Is that still used ?

bkehoe

I wonder if new light aircraft designs are equipped to send configuration alarm sounds through the headphones? It's certainly something that would aid safety if they're not already doing it.

John_Mc

Davidth88 wrote: »

I was always taught BUMPF

the U bit was pretty pointless ( I was in a PA28 ) but I always went through the motions .


Is that still used ?

Yep - it was when I was doing my PPL a few years back.

Brakes Off
Undercarriage
Mixture fully rich
Fuel Selector Valve

Neither 2 or 4 are applicable to the C152 but it was still on the checklist

Gar-Bar

John_Mc wrote: »

Yep - it was when I was doing my PPL a few years back.

Brakes Off
Undercarriage
Mixture fully rich
Fuel Selector Valve

Neither 2 or 4 are applicable to the C152 but it was still on the checklist

You will find and see 4 is applicable to a C152. C152 has a two position Fuel Shutoff Valve, On and Off.

John_Mc

Gar-Bar wrote: »

You will find and see 4 is applicable to a C152. C152 has a two position Fuel Shutoff Valve, On and Off.

It's the Fuel cutoff valve isn't it?

It is always on or the engine wouldn't be running. I was told that item on the checklist was for other aircraft which have a left and right tank

Su Campu

You forgot the E and S...

Engine Ts and Ps in the green
Secure - doors and harnesses

McNulty737

I'd love to know what their rate of descent was in that dive to the runway. Also they almost landed in the grass they were so far off the centre line, aswell as forgetting to drop the gear.

Ugh, horrible, horrible airmanship...hope they never fly again.

LeftBase

McNulty737 wrote: »

I'd love to know what their rate of descent was in that dive to the runway. Also they almost landed in the grass they were so far off the centre line, aswell as forgetting to drop the gear.

Ugh, horrible, horrible airmanship...hope they never fly again.

Welcome to General Aviation in the backcountry!:D

amen

Didnt a commercial jet do that in Shannon a few years ago ?
Maybe an American Cargo company ?

Simon Gruber Says

I was always taught BUMFITCH As landing checklist in the C152

Brakes off
Undercarrige down (even though it's fixed)
Mixture rich
Fuel selector valve on
Ice (check wings)
T's and P's
Carburettor heat hot for low power setting
Hatches and harnesses secure

Davidth88

It's been a while :- (PPL in about 1999 )


B - Brakes , after all landing with the handbrake on would be rather painful
U - Undercarrage , fixed in my case
M - Mixture , fully rich in my case
P - Fuel pump .... ON
F - Fuel , select the tank that has gas in it

On the seatbelt one , I learnt that after the following incident that happened to a fellow student that was with my instructor

They took off and had a horrible banging ...... the instructor called a MAYDAY and took control and landed , turned out to be a seatbelt left hanging out of the door !! The instructor used that as a lesson .

I did some lessons in a C152 , and you used carb heat on landing , my instructor killed me when I used it in the PA28 after a few lessons in the Cessna by accident .

*Kol*

amen wrote: »

Didnt a commercial jet do that in Shannon a few years ago ?
Maybe an American Cargo company ?

It was a channel express Lockheed Electra. They didn't land with the gear up, they realised at the last moment and did a go around, though not before striking the ground with one of the engines (which I think fell off but am open to correction).

*Kol*

By any chance would the constant beeping in the background be the gear warning horn? If it is then the pilot must be deaf as a post (headphones on or not).

LeftBase

*Kol* wrote: »

By any chance would the constant beeping in the background be the gear warning horn? If it is then the pilot must be deaf as a post (headphones on or not).

That is the problem with these new gizmo type noise cancelling headphones...sometimes they actually cancel out the warning horns etc

-Brakes off
-Undercarriage Down
-Mixture Rich
-Carb heat check(clear the throat and then when on the turn to base when power comes off a bit)
-Check Ts and Ps
-Fuel on and Sufficient
-Hatches and Harnesses Secure
-Landing light on

Oh to be flying a simple C152 again!;)

Bearcat

Ironically the reg ended with SAR!

John_Mc

Simon Gruber Says wrote: »

I was always taught BUMFICH As landing checklist in the C152

Brakes off
Undercarrige down (even though it's fixed)
Mixture rich
Fuel selector valve on
Ice (check wings)
Carburettor heat hot for low power setting
Hatches and harnesses secure

I'm pretty sure that I is instruments (T's & P's)

Bearcat

The C for carburetor Hot for low settings. This a suck in for a novice doing a landing check by rota. Yes fine to 400agl but don't land with carb heat on.....a go around could be tricky. Just my 2c

LeftBase

Bearcat wrote: »

The C for carburetor Hot for low settings. This a suck in for a novice doing a landing check by rota. Yes fine to 400agl but don't land with carb heat on.....a go around could be tricky. Just my 2c

Well I was always thought that when landing if you are applying full power on a go around that you apply both levers "forward" when going so as to avoid the power drain.

A lot of people forget to pull the carb heat at all when landing(or at any time in flight) in a lot of cases!:cool:

Simon Gruber Says

John_Mc wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that I is instruments (T's & P's)

I was falling asleep typing that, it's meant to be BUMFITCH :pac:

As for landing with the carb heat, every instructor I've flown with has always said that it must be set hot when your RPM is lower than the green band on the tach and during a go-around or touch and go, you push the carb heat back cold with your thumb as you increase power

galwayjohn89

Simon Gruber Says wrote: »

I was falling asleep typing that, it's meant to be BUMFITCH :pac:

As for landing with the carb heat, every instructor I've flown with has always said that it must be set hot when your RPM is lower than the green band on the tach and during a go-around or touch and go, you push the carb heat back cold with your thumb as you increase power

Thats what I was taught as well although instructors seem to vary

jasonb

They got very lucky there. They seem to be coming in high, but it's hard to know what procedures might be in place for that airfield. Landing without gear could have been a lot more serious.

I was taught BUMFFPTCH :

Brakes Off
Undercarriage Fixed
Mixture Rich
Fuel Pump on and sufficient Fuel for go around
Flaps set
Pitch
Ts & Ps - All green and ok
Carb Heat On - 'til approx. 400ft AGL and then off
Hatches and Harnesses secure

I learned in a PA28, so Undercarriage and Pitch didn't do anything, but I was still told to say them out loud...

J.

seven_eleven

Those must have been pretty good headphones. Im no pilot but I think its a bit ridiculous that they didnt notice the alarm at all.

Crey86

Those must have been pretty good headphones. Im no pilot but I think its a bit ridiculous that they didnt notice the alarm at all.

Have you used one of the fancy new noise reduction headsets? I have the Bose X and this idea that it cancels out warnings and engine noise completely is absolute nonsense. All it does is lowers the amplitude, which I find actually makes detecting unusual frequencies easier. Warning horns you also hear perfectly well.

I actually know the aircraft and the pilot in the video to see, they are a member of a club here in Luxembourg. You'll all be happy to know that the plane is back in the air and I think the pilot is too.

As for the airmanship. I guess humans are prone to mistake, maybe some people haven't noticed but this is a very unusual airport. Have a look at the charts http://www.cent24.fr/wp-content/upload/VAC/LFHM_VAC.pdf it's one way in one way out and at nearly 5000ft, I don't think go-around is an option either. It requires a check out from a qualified instructor.
The guy in the left seat owns/operates the airplane, the guy on the right was an instructor checking him out for the airfield. My guess is that the instructor wasn't familiar with the aircraft and the pilot got engrossed in flying the approach and not the airplane.

Moral of the story is no one died and we can all be glad that it wasn't us that did it.

keroseneboy

I think it is a Tampico TB-9 Trinidad GT. There is a TB-9 Tobago with a fixed undercarriage based in Weston(EI-CRX) belonging to the AIB Flying Club.

Su Campu

keroseneboy wrote: »

I think it is a Tampico TB-9 Trinidad GT. There is a TB-9 Tobago with a fixed undercarriage based in Weston(EI-CRX) belonging to the AIB Flying Club.

And now East Coast Flight Training have in the last week introduced Tampico EI-BSK