Tyler's book availability in Ireland.

neilr4

I decided to pre order Tyler Hamilton's book 'The secret race' with Waterstone. I received a text message from them yesterday telling me that the order has been cancelled as it is not being published.......

Anyone know about this? Done a google search but nothing comes up!

furiousox

Its available now on amazon uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Secret-Race-Cover-ups-Winning/dp/0593071735/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347386589&sr=8-1

shoxter

I bought it for the Kindle last week on pre-order for 12th September from amazon.com but checked yesterday and the download date has changed to 19th September. Maybe a delay for legal reasons??

TheBlaaMan

neilr4 wrote: »

I decided to pre order Tyler Hamilton's book 'The secret race' with Waterstone. I received a text message from them yesterday telling me that the order has been cancelled as it is not being published.......

Anyone know about this? Done a google search but nothing comes up!

That's why God invented Amazon.;)

GT_TDI_150

furiousox wrote: »

Its available now on amazon uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Secret-Race-Cover-ups-Winning/dp/0593071735/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347386589&sr=8-1

Wasnt there something about the uk/irl version having sections reworded due to stricter liable laws?

furiousox

Easons have it too

http://www.easons.com/display.asp?K=9780593071731&nat=false&sort=eh_sort_bs%2Fd&stem=false&sf2=facet&sf1=kword_index%2C+ref_no%2C+barcode&st1=secret+race&m=1&dc=5#.UE-Db1FciSo

@GT TDI yeah I think some UK passages differ from the US version.
(I've ordered the US version from amazon.com )

shoxter

I have since acquired it on audiobook, take that Amazon!

petethedrummer

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Wasnt there something about the uk/irl version having sections reworded due to stricter liable laws?

Yes, the American version is supposed to be a bit juicier.

ThisRegard

Almost a tenners worth juicier ? The UK kindle edition is £9.99 but the US one is $19.67, and the hardback is only $16.80.

2 Wheels Good

shoxter wrote: »

I have since acquired it on audiobook, take that Amazon!

Does Lance read it?

crumliniano

I preordered it from book depository.co.uk for 13.24gbp. Got an email today saying it is ready for dispatch.

-K2-

I received my copy today from Amazon, UK edition. Nice bit of holiday reading to look forward to.

ryan_sherlock

Picked it up on my US Kindle ($16 I think - why it is similar priced to the hardback is beyond me - I have not bought books before due to this). Also was in two minds of whether to buy a book from a cheat or not.

Anyway - read it, juicy to say the least! Having watched highlights of the various tours (2000-2005) while on the trainer in the winter, not exactly surprising. Anti-doping needed something like this 10 years ago as a manual for what the riders are doing.

petethedrummer

ryan_sherlock wrote: »

Also was in two minds of whether to buy a book from a cheat or not.

So this is your first cycling autobiography?:pac:

ThisRegard

ryan_sherlock wrote: »

Picked it up on my US Kindle.......Anyway - read it, juicy to say the least!

Did they bring forward the publication date ? When I was checking it out last night it said that it will be delivered the 21st I think it was. I'll be half way through my holiday by then so didn't bother with it (that and I'm still hessitant about the price.

But I see now, both on .com and .co.uk, the release date is today, the 12th and is available to download now.

So do people reckon the US edition is the one to go for ?

mistermatthew

ryan_sherlock wrote: »

Picked it up on my US Kindle ($16 I think - why it is similar priced to the hardback is beyond me - I have not bought books before due to this).

This is because the book industry such as publishers largely hate ebooks. They are scared they will render them obsolete by no cost for printing etc. Therefore they set the prices of ebooks higher than hardbacks normally to keep the sales of paper books where they make the money going.

ryan_sherlock

mistermatthew wrote: »

This is because the book industry such as publishers largely hate ebooks. They are scared they will render them obsolete by no cost for printing etc. Therefore they set the prices of ebooks higher than hardbacks normally to keep the sales of paper books where they make the money going.

The end result of that is that it pushes the consumer to either not buy the book or pirate it from somewhere. (Love my kindle, don't want to read normal books - too heavy for my puney cyclist arms)

US vs UK book - no idea what is left out so can't comment. Lance does not come across very well (I mean, aside from the doping aspect)

le petit braquet

There is an interview with Hamilton as part of the BBC Hardtalk series available at http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/ht

Harrybelafonte

Someone just asked Jens Voight if he's going to read it on twitter. He got pretty angry about the doping (firat time I saw him mention it) and now he's retweeting people accusing him of doping with Bjarne and before. Looks like Mr Hamilton's book is causing quite the stir

furiousox

There goes the weekend...:D

lazycyclist

Read the book this week, also saw Jens's tweets (is that grammatically correct?). The reaction was a bit un-Jens-like but he is mentioned in the book; how you view the context he is mentioned is up to the reader.

Found the book very hard to put down, although I found myself feeling quite down in the dumps reading what he claims. Of course, Lance doesn't come across as a very nice person, but I'm sure most people never saw him as the loveable type.

I found it worth the read - if it's something that even remotely interests someone, I think they will find it interesting.

ThisRegard

ThisRegard wrote: »

Almost a tenners worth juicier ? The UK kindle edition is £9.99 but the US one is $19.67, and the hardback is only $16.80.

Prices seem to have settled now, €14.39 on .com and £8.99 on co.uk, which works out at about €11, .com being a few pence cheaper.


Eh, WTF, I just popped on there to buy it and it's jumped back to $19.67 ! Just had a chat with an online rep, it's all down to local pricing, taxing etc.

corny

I don't like Armstrong but after reading this i like this fella even less. He is so transparently manipulative its not even funny. Despite what he'd have us believe there is no real catharsis or redemption in this for Hamilton. Just different lies to ease his conscience and make money (not talking about the stuff on Armstrong obviously). Despicable ****er.

joker77

From all the talk about Hamilton over the past few weeks, to the interviews he has given, reviews of the book and just general coverage about him - the image being pushed is that he's just a 'really nice guy'. Well liked, always was, kind of thing.

This is combined with him saying he still likes Lance, wishes him all the best, doesn't bear a grudge.

I'll admit - I haven't read the book (am still undecided whether I will or not), but I'm just not buying it. The far more likely scenario in my mind it's that it's a carefully choreographed strategy - so that Lance cannot easily dismiss him as being bitter, just having an axe to grind, etc.

lazycyclist

He is trying to sell his book, but I also think if you take his views and those of Lance, the truth is probably somewhere in between.

Until some proof is put out there (whether test results or testimony that agrees between several witnesses), we'll never know.

I imagine Bruyneel's hearing will be soon enough, surely at that point the USADA will be obliged to put evidence before him, which will eventually be made public, assuming that's how they operate?

joker77

Review of the book on cyclismas

However, there is another crime going on here. And in many ways it’s a crime much bigger than doping. Cycling’s hustlers and grifters, cycling’s confidence tricksters, cycling’s players of the big con, they stole something they can never give back. They stole the innocence – the presumption of innocence – of those who chose to follow a different path. And they didn’t just steal from their peers. They stole from the generations that are following them: Hamilton and Landis, Bjarne Riis, David Millar, all those who lied about their doping and pleaded with us to believe that they rode clean, only to turn around and fess up, through their lies they have made it all but impossible to simply accept that the problems of the past have now gone away and that the riders coming up today are taking the opportunity afforded to them to do it clean.

Riis may have stopped being part of the problem and become part of the solution by assisting in the ushering in of independent anti-doping programmes, thus helping to force the UCI’s hand on longitudinal testing. Millar may have stopped being part of the problem and become part of the solution by helping to build and lead a clean team. Landis and Hamilton may have stopped being part of the problem and become part of the solution by giving USADA the evidence that might finally force cycling to really confront its past. But it will take a generation and more for the trust of the fans that they and others like them squandered to be rebuilt. It will take a generation and more for anyone but the most naïve cycling fan to not have doubts about, want to ask questions of, the stars of today and tomorrow. That is and will continue to be the biggest crime of Gen-EPO. Sadly, this is the crime that The Secret Race fails to acknowledge. I wonder if Hamilton or Landis or Riis or Millar or any of them realise it’s a crime they’ve committed. Or even care about.

ROK ON

Finished the book today. There is bound to be bias in the book inasmuch as there is bias in any memoir.
That aside, I enjoyed this book. I think I have read many of the doping/cycling books. This one is different.
It is the first that truly conveys the dilemma. It puts a very human side to cheating.

If I was good enough to be great at something and was just inches away.
If one red pill or an injection could help me cross that hurdle then in all likelihood I would do what it took.

The Mark Scanlon approach while brave is simply too hard for most of us to contemplate. Put all the sacrifices and dreams against that backdrop.
I truly believe that more than half of us here would dope if we were in similar position to Hamilton.

Highly recommend this book. On an aside f@@k online. Go to your local independent bookstore and pay over the few measly quid more to get it.

ThisRegard

Unfortunately my local independent bookstore is long gone, way before ebooks could be blamed for having any hand in its closure. You need to give in to progress, I resisted for a long time but now hail my glorious kindle overlord.

Leroy42

Having read the book, I agree with Rokon in regards to it getting across the dilema the riders were forced into. Having put so much into the sport they are faced with either going all the way or dropping out.

He puts it across as starting off as a simple help to recover, which quickly snowballs into taking the stuff to get, and stay ahead.

Although he states that he takes responsibility, I did get the impression that behind it all he was really blaming everyone else, they corrupted him. Without them he would be clean. Well duh, kinda like saying once there is no temptation you're a saint!

It is a very good read, I found it hard to put down given all that is coming out at the moment. It certainly paints the UCI, teams etc in a very bad light and it is hard to read to the end without having some serious concerns as to the future of pro cycling and whether anybody associated with the last 10 years or so (at or near the top) should be allowed to continue.

It doesn't change my view of the last 10 years though. They were all at something, some better than others. Since the UCI seemed to be turing a blind eye it would be stupid to let others get an advantage. Doesn't make it right, but understandable.

Hermy

Leroy42 wrote: »

Having put so much into the sport they are faced with either going all the way or dropping out.

Is it really that clear cut? There are those who have completed the Tour and other major races clean and while they never challenged for GC their determination to race clean is an achievement in itself.

drdeadlift

A great read so far!

RobFowl

I have to say I've a problem with Tyler Hamilton.
He cheated, was caught and seems unrepentent.
Now he's making a fortune selling the story of his doping ...


Just saying.....

kincsem

If Tyler Hamilton makes money from the book that is because people want to read it and find out about the real Lance Armstrong (and 90%+ of the pro tour.)
It is a sad read. Sad to know that the Tour de France is not a sports event.

Wibbs

Hermy wrote: »

Is it really that clear cut? There are those who have completed the Tour and other major races clean and while they never challenged for GC their determination to race clean is an achievement in itself.

Very true Hermy, however because of the dopers we'll never truly know who they are and those guys(and gals) that did and do race clean were and are being cheated and worse it'll be assumed they did and are cheating.

MrCreosote

RobFowl wrote: »

I have to say I've a problem with Tyler Hamilton.
He cheated, was caught and seems unrepentent.
Now he's making a fortune selling the story of his doping ...


Just saying.....

I read the book and thought he seemed pretty repentant. It didn't come across that he was simply writing it for he cash. I think the whistleblowers should be commended, even if he was part of the problem at the time and blew he whistle years later.

The book's a great read, not so much for the cycling or doping, but for the descriptions of Lance, and the extravagant lengths they went to to dope and avoid detection. Not to mention the guy with early dementia looking after the frozen blood bags in Madrid.

Lumen

MrCreosote wrote: »

I think the whistleblowers should be commended, even if he was part of the problem at the time and blew he whistle years later.

That's a pretty flexible definition of "whistleblower". I think the usual definition requires you to 'fess up before getting caught.

In fact the morally purest form of whistleblowing is when the whistleblower has done nothing wrong (or is in the process of being coerced) but is reporting the actions of others.

RobFowl

Lumen wrote: »

That's a pretty flexible definition of "whistleblower". I think the usual definition requires you to 'fess up before getting caught.

In fact the morally purest form of whistleblowing is when the whistleblower has done nothing wrong (or is in the process of being coerced) but is reporting the actions of others.

+1
Whistleblowers typically speak up before failing a multitude of dope tests..
I'd say the word of Hamilton and Landis alone wouldn't have been enough to nail LA.

murph226

Just finished the book and really enjoyed it, any other recommendations?

Mercian Pro

joker77 wrote: »

Review of the book on cyclismas

Couldn't agree more with this review. Having finished Millar's Racing Through the Dark and swapping it for The Secret Race, I'm both appalled by and addicted to cycling porn. When will there ever be an uplifting cycling book that is creditable?

Dizraeligears

Just finished it too-Armstrong comes across as a real a**hole

boege

Read Hamiltons book over Xmas - riveting and truley shocking at the same time. The scale of cheating by him and others is mindnumbing.

I belive he thinks he has told the whole truth but it is only his version. I tend to agree with RobFowl, fessing up when your career is near over and then writing a book leaves me with a quesy feeling.

One other interesting fact - watch out for unusally bad days as much as unusally good days - bad (or wrong) blood! Had me going back to Youtube!

Diarmuid

Dizraeligears wrote: »

Just finished it too-Armstrong comes across as a real a**hole

He comes across the same in his *own* books.

RyanAndrew

Mercian Pro wrote: »

When will there ever be an uplifting cycling book that is creditable?

Tim Krabbe - The Rider - admittedly fiction though.

furiousox

Diarmuid wrote: »

He comes across the same in his *own* books.

According to Greg LeMond, Lance's own mother thinks he (LA) is an asshole too.

on_the_nickel

furiousox wrote: »

According to Greg LeMond, Lance's own mother thinks he (LA) is an asshole too.

That's because he called her fat.