What would be the best way to negotiate after a jobsbridge scheme?

FeckArseInc

Since April, I've been employed full-time on contract for a small start-up company on the jobsbridge scheme. My contract is up until next January.



Since I got this position, my boss and my co-workers are all telling me that I'm doing a really good job and making a good contribution to the company and I get along with the people there.


They said at my interview that there may be an opportunity for a permanent position, but it's not guaranteed as it's a small company.

At the moment, the company CEO was in Canada for a few months, as his wife is studying over there. He returns this week.

I'm hoping that maybe I can negotiate with him to keep me on. Although the company is growing a good bit and making good progress, they would have to pay me themselves and by law, pay the higher wage as it would no longer be the internship.

I was thinking that I could say I'd be willing to work minimum wage, and that hopefully he'll think that the work I contribute is a greater asset than letting me go.


What would be the best advice to negotiate?

drunkmonkey

Wait until it comes up, don't hit the boss with it straight away when he come back from Canada and don't offer to work for minimum wage, an opportunity to discuss things will come up and just be ready to put your case forward when it does, just remember if your doing a good job it might be a lot easier keep you in January than have to go train someone up again. Don't sell yourself short you'll nearly have a years more experience than some new intern.

CatFromHue

Yeah I don't think the minimum wage is the best idea. If you offer it they could take it and you'd end up a very low salary. Can you research to see what the standard industrial wage would be for someone with the job and experience?

There is some information on IrishJobs.ie about it that should give you a start.

http://www.irishjobs.ie/careeradvice/salaries.aspx

Also if your contract is up in January they may not have thought too hard about your position yet.

smcgiff

CatFromHue wrote: »

Can you research to see what the standard industrial wage would be for someone with the job and experience?

This is great advice if you want to ensure you are replaced by another intern.

It'd be great to think the company is going to go from paying you €50 p/w to many multiples of this, but that's not going to happen.

I think your original plan to work for minimum wage is a good one, but plan to work up from there. Maybe asking for a review in six months or a year. Get the job first.

Gary The Gamer

I've been employed full-time on contract for a small start-up company

I'm sorry but you are drawing the dole whilst doing work experience. You are not in employement, not full time and do not have a contract. Stop fooling yourself. I would be certain that your boss will become a lot more frosty towards you when you bring up the idea of a paid job and when your internship is close to ending.

FeckArseInc

Gary The Gamer wrote: »

I'm sorry but you are drawing the dole whilst doing work experience. You are not in employement, not full time and do not have a contract. Stop fooling yourself. I would be certain that your boss will become a lot more frosty towards you when you bring up the idea of a paid job and when your internship is close to ending.

Actually, he already spoke to me at lunch today and told me that he is going to keep me on as a full employee when the internship ends..

I didn't actually have to negotiate anything at all.

CatFromHue

smcgiff wrote: »

This is great advice if you want to ensure you are replaced by another intern.

It'd be great to think the company is going to go from paying you €50 p/w to many multiples of this, but that's not going to happen.

I think your original plan to work for minimum wage is a good one, but plan to work up from there. Maybe asking for a review in six months or a year. Get the job first.

The company doesn't pay anything to the Intern, it's actually against the rules. The extra 50e per week is a social welfare top up.

Also the company is not meant to be able to take on an intern in the same position for a period of 6 months (I think) after one internship has ended i.e. you're not meant to have a continual flow of interns doing the exact same role.

I really wouldn't be too keen on starting on minimum wage to be honest. Especially if it's a fair bit below what the expected rate of pay for the position is. You could be years trying to get pay rises just to get you up to the rate of pay you should have started on.

It will effect you very badly mentally.

smcgiff

CatFromHue wrote: »

It will effect you very badly mentally.

More than not having a job?

Your point re 50 euro is valid, but damages your pov.

An intern for "another position" can be taken on up to a limit, depending on the size of the company.

Gary The Gamer

FeckArseInc wrote: »

Actually, he already spoke to me at lunch today and told me that he is going to keep me on as a full employee when the internship ends..

I didn't actually have to negotiate anything at all.

Good for you. It sounds like you got the job 9 months ago and your employer just wanted to save some cash and also buy himself some insurance.

smcgiff

Gary The Gamer wrote: »

Good for you. It sounds like you got the job 9 months ago and your employer just wanted to save some cash and also buy himself some insurance.

Being a start up company uncertain of success, this is a valid position to take. It has worked out for both of them.

CatFromHue

smcgiff wrote: »

More than not having a job?

Your point re 50 euro is valid, but damages your pov.

An intern for "another position" can be taken on up to a limit, depending on the size of the company.

It's a tricky one but I suppose it boils down to would you like to be under appreciated or unemployed.

If you are unemployed the constant search for a job will eat you down.

If you are under appreciated you can feel like your employer is taking advantage of you, or to a degree bullying you because you have nowhere else to go but you can't fight back because you will lose your job. When the pressure comes on and you have to work long hours for small pay it feels like you're being taken advantage of. It's incredibly frustrating.

My biggest worry of someone who starts at minimum wage (8.65x37.5x52= 16857) when say they should be getting 27,000 is how long will it take for them to get to the salary they deserve.

For example if you get increases of 10% then you will need six increases of 10% to get to where you should have started at. Six increases could take three years!

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smcgiff

CatFromHue wrote: »

It's a tricky one but I suppose it boils down to would you like to be under appreciated or unemployed.

If you are unemployed the constant search for a job will eat you down.

If you are under appreciated you can feel like your employer is taking advantage of you, or to a degree bullying you because you have nowhere else to go but you can't fight back because you will lose your job. When the pressure comes on and you have to work long hours for small pay it feels like you're being taken advantage of. It's incredibly frustrating.

My biggest worry of someone who starts at minimum wage (8.65x37.5x52= 16857) when say they should be getting 27,000 is how long will it take for them to get to the salary they deserve.

For example if you get increases of 10% then you will need six increases of 10% to get to where you should have started at. Six increases could take three years!

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Or... You build up relevant work experience and move onto another employer. It's easier to get a job from a job, rather than unemployed.

The op is definitely on the right track.

donegal11

So he's going to hire you when you work another 5 months for free, bet he didn't mention salary? something that would be considered in any other job offers. Anyway congratulations on your success, but for everyone taken on there is another getting a free intern to replace them as "An intern for "another position" can be taken on up to a limit" and the six months doesn't matter as long as your below the limit for the maximum number of interns something smcgiff seems to have knowledge of .It's easy to promote jobbridge on here when your actively taking taking advantage of the scheme/free labour and god forbid you would want a proper wage/job at the end of the internship for fear of insulting your employer.

smcgiff

donegal11 wrote: »

So he's going to hire you when you work another 5 months for free, bet he didn't mention salary? something that would be considered in any other job offers. Anyway configurations on you success, but for everyone taken on there is another getting a free intern to replace them as "An intern for "another position" can be taken on up to a limit" and the six month doesn't matter as long as your below the limit for the maximum number of interns something smcgiff seems to have knowledge of .It's easy to promote jobbridge on here when your actively taking taking advantage of the scheme/free labour and god forbidden you would want a proper wage/job at the end of the internship for fear of insulting the employer.

Try to twist my words, fine. But, if you're unable to see how the jobsbridge scheme can work then there's very little to add.