New Dublinbikes station sightings?

wile1000

Last Wednesday I spotted what appears to be the beginning of a new dublin bikes station going in on the corner of Talbot St and Gardiner St Lower, outside AIB ATMs. The tell-tale sign of a large hole for the station control, and smaller holes in the ground for the actual stands... A few days on and I imagine things may have progressed further.

If true, sounds like they're under way for the next phase of the project which is great news, based on this earlier news article. I'm a resident down by The Point so have been eagerly awaiting arrival there since the announcement.

Anyone else seen similar evidence of stations going in around town? Or is this just a red herring? :cool:

carlmango11

Isn't there already one pretty much right there?

MJohnston

Yeah, station no 38 is right there:
http://www.dublinbikes.ie/All-Stations/Station-map#

wile1000

Yeah, station no. 38 is not even a block away, but this is definitely a new spot. As more bikes exist on the network perhaps a greater density of bike stands will be needed city centre and thus they are starting with that.

MJohnston

wile1000 wrote: »

Yeah, station no. 38 is not even a block away, but this is definitely a new spot. As more bikes exist on the network perhaps a greater density of bike stands will be needed city centre and thus they are starting with that.

I'd personally just like to know where the stations are going to be, I work in the Grand Canal Dock area and one there would be brilliant.

wile1000

MJohnston wrote: »

I'd personally just like to know where the stations are going to be, I work in the Grand Canal Dock area and one there would be brilliant.

Likewise! Maybe the spots are still being negotiated so they can't/don't want to publish a map yet. But just wondering whether this is the first sign of the expansion taking place and if anyone else has seen evidnece. Probably very early days...

Kumsheen

I'm heading into town tomorrow so i'll keep an eye out to see if i spot any more going up.
I hope they go through with rolling all the new stations out, it's a great way to get around town.
Docklands and Heuston in particular are big gaps in the current network.

Winters

The work on Talbot Street is just repaving. As far as I know all the new db stations will be in expansion areas and not in existing areas.

http://dublinobserver.com/2011/03/wheels-set-in-motion-for-dublin-bikes-expansion/

Gumbo

wile1000 wrote: »

Maybe the spots are still being negotiated so they can't/don't want to publish a map yet.

100% correct.

MJohnston wrote: »

I work in the Grand Canal Dock area and one there would be brilliant.

That is a high profile area, im sure it is one of the areas being considered. You shouldnt be dissappointed i would imagine.

Kiith

Put them in at Heuston Station already ffs

Victor

Kiith wrote: »

Put them in at Heuston Station already ffs

Heuston will be one of the last places to get them due to the tidal nature of use from large stations. It would be better off getting more diverse bus services.

MJohnston

Winters wrote: »

The work on Talbot Street is just repaving. As far as I know all the new db stations will be in expansion areas and not in existing areas.

http://dublinobserver.com/2011/03/wheels-set-in-motion-for-dublin-bikes-expansion/

What's the numbering on that plan about? It doesn't seem to correlate to postcodes - naively hoping that its the order in which they'll be added!

Victor

MJohnston wrote: »

What's the numbering on that plan about? It doesn't seem to correlate to postcodes - naively hoping that its the order in which they'll be added!

Phasing.

MJohnston

Victor wrote: »

Phasing.

Does that not mean (and from re-reading the article) that Heuston will be one of the first places to get new stations?

monument

A bit I wrote a few months ago http://cyclingindublin.com/2012/08/22/981/

I think I was also wrong to write "It’s understood that the outstanding issue is the council finalising a deal with advertising firm JCDecaux, which runs the system" on its own, because part of the outstanding issue may also be "how do we fund this on an on-going basis"?

Winters wrote: »

The work on Talbot Street is just repaving. As far as I know all the new db stations will be in expansion areas and not in existing areas.

http://dublinobserver.com/2011/03/wheels-set-in-motion-for-dublin-bikes-expansion/

Fair enough if it's just repaving, although it's worth noting that as the system is expanded, the original area will also need a greater density of bike stands, likely mainly in the core of the city centre -- I'd expect a large percentage of phase 2A and 2B users to be heading to that core area. New stands could be made up of a mix of new stations and new stands at old stations.

More generally, there's currently a big gap with a centre point of College Green -- between Molesworth Street and Princes Street at nearly 1km, and between Fownes Street and Townsend Street at nearly 700m.

Victor wrote: »

Heuston will be one of the last places to get them due to the tidal nature of use from large stations. It would be better off getting more diverse bus services.

Heuston is planned to get them in the next phase.

Vélib in Paris, Barclays Cycle Hire in London, and Call-a-Bike in German cities all work around railway stations of different sizes -- Call-a-Bike is run by DB and it was first set up with the goal of giving an extra last mile option.

The commuter tidal problem is likely as acute or more acute at some outlining Dublin Bikes stations at the edge of the covered area -- it's a good reason why a busy train station should never be an edge station.

MJohnston wrote: »

Does that not mean (and from re-reading the article) that Heuston will be one of the first places to get new stations?

Yes it does.

Rock of Gibraltar

Is there any information out about size and location of the bikes station in Heuston?
I'd imagine they'd have to go for some kind of superstation, two tier maybe given the demand.

As a matter of interest does anyone have info on the number of passengers that use Heuston everyday, in comparison to Connolly, Tara St. or Pearse?

chughes

I often use the DB bikes when I'm in town and I look forward to the scheme expanding.

The article in DublinObserver comparing Dublin usage to Melbourne's is a bit unfair because, as I have been told by relatives I have that live in Melbourne, you need to wear a helmet by law when cycling. If you had to wear a helmet in Dublin I'm sure there would be a sizable drop in DB usage.

So comparing Dublin and Melbourne isn't comparing like with like.

monument

chughes wrote: »

I often use the DB bikes when I'm in town and I look forward to the scheme expanding.

The article in DublinObserver comparing Dublin usage to Melbourne's is a bit unfair because, as I have been told by relatives I have that live in Melbourne, you need to wear a helmet by law when cycling. If you had to wear a helmet in Dublin I'm sure there would be a sizable drop in DB usage.

So comparing Dublin and Melbourne isn't comparing like with like.

It's worth saying that Montague was comparing how many trips Dubliners did in heavy snow (2,000 per day according to him), but, yeah, helmets are a factor and so is the general cycling conditions in Melbourne.

For the Cycling in Dublin newspaper, I had in my mind to try to get comparable figures for all systems, but did not have the time for it.

wile1000

Winters wrote: »

The work on Talbot Street is just repaving.

Yep, it was those dang new bicycle racks that were deceiving with their holes in the ground!

Kumsheen

Anybody got any update on progress towards towards new Dublinbike stations?

xabi_a

Yes! Down towards the O2, north side of the quays, 2 or possibly 3 new stations being built. The one closest to the O2 looks to be really big, which I suppose it would need to be on concert nights.

Shedite27

Spotted a new one on my lunch on Harcourt Street. Right across from Dicies, on that lane into the Iveagh Gardens

wile1000

xabi_a wrote: »

Yes! Down towards the O2, north side of the quays, 2 or possibly 3 new stations being built. The one closest to the O2 looks to be really big, which I suppose it would need to be on concert nights.

4, actually. :cool:

Behind Sushi shop, outside PWC, infront of former Anglo HQ unfinished building, & the O2. Watching with interest as they are all closer to me than my current 'local' station - George's Dock.

Fred Swanson

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BabysCoffee

New one going in to mount street

Five Lamps

Spotted one almost complete on York St. and another on Digges St. Also one on Strand St. Great.

Looks like they have cordoned off on spot on South Dock Road, D4 which will be the most easterly one on the south side.

Shedite27

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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For every person getting off a train at Heuston, another person gets on a train at Heuston

LXFlyer

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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They already have a truck (if not plural) going around the city refilling stations where appropriate.

BenShermin

Fred Swanson wrote: »

With the likes of Heuston they would need a truck delivering bikes to it all day to keep up with demand as most of the bikes taken from there would be deposited in the city centre areas?

They do have a truck to redistribute bikes around the different stations. Personally I don't think they're as efficient as they could be in doing this. High Street for example always seems to be empty in the evenings, and Central Bank always seems to be full.

They'll have to be on the ball the second the Heuston Station bike stations open up. Otherwise you'll just have empty stations in the morning rush and full ones in the evening.

ArmaniJeanss

Would it help if people could specify their destination when they took a bike out?

So when I go to take a bike out and find an empty station, it would tell me 4 cyclists are on their way to this station.
And the central control system (and I don't know how advanced this currently is obviously) could take this extra information into account when deciding the order of drop-offs to empty stations/removal from full stations.

Five Lamps

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Would it help if people could specify their destination when they took a bike out?

So when I go to take a bike out and find an empty station, it would tell me 4 cyclists are on their way to this station.
And the central control system (and I don't know how advanced this currently is obviously) could take this extra information into account when deciding the order of drop-offs to empty stations/removal from full stations.

At this stage there's plenty of data as to usage pattern over the day for every station to be able to know when to resupply. Dublinbikes2go has availability graphed for every station.

ArmaniJeanss

Five Lamps wrote: »

At this stage there's plenty of data as to usage pattern over the day for every station to be able to know when to resupply. Dublinbikes2go has availability graphed for every station.

Fair enough but doesn't address my primary point that such information would be mega useful to the customer, and obviously isn't something that any app provides at the moment.

LXFlyer

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Would it help if people could specify their destination when they took a bike out?

So when I go to take a bike out and find an empty station, it would tell me 4 cyclists are on their way to this station.
And the central control system (and I don't know how advanced this currently is obviously) could take this extra information into account when deciding the order of drop-offs to empty stations/removal from full stations.

What if people change their minds, or are just going for a spin - that would take the whole simplicity of the system away.

ArmaniJeanss

lxflyer wrote: »

What if people change their minds, or are just going for a spin - that would take the whole simplicity of the system away.

Agreed on this point, or alternatively they could just plain lie for laughs!
In general though I think very few would lie, and people just wouldn't bother entering a destination if they were going for a spin.

ezra_pound

Or the stations could simply integrate with Google now.

dechol

New station on dervish place just off gardiner street.