Hawk Eye in Croke Park

Black Suir

Does anyone know if the G.A.A.'s plans to use Hawk Eye for All-Ireland semi finals and Finals as well as quarter final games in Croke Park ever come to anything or is it next year the experiment was to start. The reason I ask is that there was two scores today at the Canel End of the ground that were kind of dubious scores. One was a Galway score that looked wide early in the game and the other was a Kilkenny score in the second half where one umpire seem to think the ball had gone wide and the other was not sure. If Hawk Eye (which i am against, as I think you cant take human error out of our games) was in use, would not the officicals know straight away if the ball went through the posts or not.

Opinicus

Black Suir wrote: »

If Hawk Eye (which i am against, as I think you cant take human error out of our games) was in use, would not the officicals know straight away if the ball went through the posts or not.

I thought that was the idea of Hawk Eye, that the officials would get a correct verdict immediately. I don't understand why you are against it if it is proven to work. It would be a lot better than 2 umpires looking at each other and then pulling a decision out of their arse

Fr Tod Umptious

Apparently they are still trailing it, and having problems with slots that go too high, heard that on the radio a whiback

harpsman

Halkeye load of rubbish.

irishgeo

Lots of problems

- shots that go above a certain height above the posts.
- the wind shaking the posts.
- delays in getting an hawkeye decision to the ref.

Qwerty Dub

Not practical to do it everywhere or in club grounds but what about extending the height of the posts and attaching a net type thing where if the ball does go through the posts for a score its caught in this net to avoid any confusion.

Opinicus

Could they not just paint the posts a dark green or something and extend them. Then it would be obvious. Having the post the same colour as the ball is pointless.

Qwerty Dub

Opinicus wrote: »

Could they not just paint the posts a dark green or something and extend them. Then it would be obvious. Having the post the same colour as the ball is pointless.

Having the posts a dark color would be great for calling points etc, but not so great for forwards turning and shooting on sight.

StupidLikeAFox

irishgeo wrote: »

Lots of problems

- shots that go above a certain height above the posts.
- the wind shaking the posts.
- delays in getting an hawkeye decision to the ref.

Even with those problems considered it would still result in more correct decisions. It mightnt be perfect but its still better than the current situation

Deise Tom

irishgeo wrote: »

Lots of problems

- shots that go above a certain height above the posts.
- the wind shaking the posts.
- delays in getting an hawkeye decision to the ref.

Exact reasons why I too am totally against Hawk-Eye. It might be ok in slower sports (maybe some of the ones that put you to sleep watching them at times), but in fast games like hurling, where the ball could go the length of the field in less than 5 seconds, Hawk-Eye will never work. Who ever suggested it to the G.A.A. must be out to make money from the Association.

Deise Tom

Qwerty Dub wrote: »

Not practical to do it everywhere or in club grounds but what about extending the height of the posts and attaching a net type thing where if the ball does go through the posts for a score its caught in this net to avoid any confusion.

Even a net behind the goal will not work.

Deise Tom

Opinicus wrote: »

Could they not just paint the posts a dark green or something and extend them. Then it would be obvious. Having the post the same colour as the ball is pointless.

Doing this would only blend the posts in with the crowd behind it at time if you are running at the goal.

InchicoreDude

Deise Tom wrote: »

Exact reasons why I too am totally against Hawk-Eye. It might be ok in slower sports (maybe some of the ones that put you to sleep watching them at times), but in fast games like hurling, where the ball could go the length of the field in less than 5 seconds, Hawk-Eye will never work. Who ever suggested it to the G.A.A. must be out to make money from the Association.

But it would only be used for controversial scores surely??? There was just as much of a delay for Kilkenny's disputed point as there would be with Hawk-Eye as the referee went in and talked to his umpires before play resumed. The current situation also slows down play.

Deise Tom

InchicoreDude wrote: »

But it would only be used for controversial scores surely??? There was just as much of a delay for Kilkenny's disputed point as there would be with Hawk-Eye as the referee went in and talked to his umpires before play resumed. The current situation also slows down play.

Even with Controversial decissions it would not work, I think anyway. A few years back, Waterford and Cork played in Croke Park in an All-Ireland Quarter Final or Semi Final. Waterford were playing into the Hill in the second half. One of the Waterford players sent in a shot which went over the bar, but Donal Óg Cussack pulled in down and back into play before the umpire had time to make up his mind if the ball went over the bar or not.

I cant remember what the score was at the time. I know Waterford felt hard done by at the time, but suppose the scores were level and as a result of Donal Óg pulling down that ball, driving it up the field to say Joe Deane who caught the ball and put it over the bar for a score that could not disputed which helped them win the game. Would Cork not feel hard done by then, if the referee was to say we will have to check if the Waterford score was allowed in the first place, and if it was we will have to give Donal Óg to puck out the ball after Waterford's score, but if we find that the ball was not gone fully over the bar at the other end we will allow Cork's score. It would become a bit like a game in a primary school yard. I dont think you can take human error out of games. Its what makes them what they are. Sometimes they go for you and other times they dont.

In the G.A.A. we have a referee, we had two lines men, two umpires at each end and a sideline official/fourth official. Between then they should be able to come to some agreement and not relying on some machine which at times will prove to be as inconclusive as some officials can be at times.

Roger Sterling

They should make a TV show about it:
Hawk Eye for the GAA Guy.

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Opinicus wrote: »

Could they not just paint the posts a dark green or something and extend them. Then it would be obvious. Having the post the same colour as the ball is pointless.

Deise Tom wrote: »

Doing this would only blend the posts in with the crowd behind it at time if you are running at the goal.

2 good points (no pun intended), how about painting them orange like in american football?

InchicoreDude

Even with Controversial decissions it would not work, I think anyway. A few years back, Waterford and Cork played in Croke Park in an All-Ireland Quarter Final or Semi Final. Waterford were playing into the Hill in the second half. One of the Waterford players sent in a shot which went over the bar, but Donal Óg Cussack pulled in down and back into play before the umpire had time to make up his mind if the ball went over the bar or not.

I cant remember what the score was at the time. I know Waterford felt hard done by at the time, but suppose the scores were level and as a result of Donal Óg pulling down that ball, driving it up the field to say Joe Deane who caught the ball and put it over the bar for a score that could not disputed which helped them win the game. Would Cork not feel hard done by then, if the referee was to say we will have to check if the Waterford score was allowed in the first place, and if it was we will have to give Donal Óg to puck out the ball after Waterford's score, but if we find that the ball was not gone fully over the bar at the other end we will allow Cork's score. It would become a bit like a game in a primary school yard. I dont think you can take human error out of games. Its what makes them what they are. Sometimes they go for you and other times they dont.

Well thats one specific incident where it might not work.... But the majority of these decisions involve the referee going into discussing the situation with the umpires so it would not slow it down in the overall scheme of things.

In the G.A.A. we have a referee, we had two lines men, two umpires at each end and a sideline official/fourth official. Between then they should be able to come to some agreement and not relying on some machine which at times will prove to be as inconclusive as some officials can be at times.

Well yes they should but as is clearly evident, they often do not. Human error will never be completely eliminated but it can be reduced by a machine.