Those who believe that 7/7 was (another) false flag...

Monty Burnz

I wonder can they explain the existence of this woman?

The British widow of a 7/7 bomber who is on the world's most wanted list has revealed her plans to end her life in a suicide attack.
Samantha Lewthwaite - dubbed the white widow - denounced the actions of her husband Jermaine Lindsay, who killed 26 people when he blew up a Piccadilly Line Tube train near King’s Cross on 7/7, 2005.
But the Muslim convert, 28, then disappeared and is wanted in connection with a grenade attack on a bar in Kenya packed with tourists that killed three people.
And the fugitive, originally from Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, has now revealed her horrific intentions in an online poem stating: 'I'd rather be receiving my martyrdom, think I'll get ready... and buy a vest'.

Torakx

She may be genuine.
That does not take away from the CT.
Example, I have a feeling the British gov may have been involved in the IRA, that does not mean the members within the group were aware of that.

Unless i missed something about this woman and the 7/7 bombings.
Its my belief in general that these people are setup with a belief system and the way is cleared for them to do the damage, then they are targeted and silenced/jailed.
Thats how i would see this type of thing run.

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

Its my belief in general that these people are setup with a belief system and the way is cleared for them to do the damage, then they are targeted and silenced/jailed.
Thats how i would see this type of thing run.

Extraordinary claim - proof or evidence of this?

Torakx

Jonny7 wrote: »

Extraordinary claim - proof or evidence of this?

Its no claim.

Daithi 1

I've seen conspiracy theorists getting ripped apart here for using the Daily Fail as a source..

Monty Burnz

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I've seen conspiracy theorists getting ripped apart here for using the Daily Fail as a source..

It's either factual or not - it doesn't matter that it's reported in (a total rag like) the Daily Fail.

stuar

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I wonder can they explain the existence of this woman?

Monty I don't see how this woman who supposedly wants to blow herself up has anything to do with the 7/7 bombings being falseflag or not.

She was married to one of the alleged bombers, but it's not relevent to 7th July 2005, maybe she's had a breakdown in the 7 years, maybe she's angry, maybe she couldn't take the pressure of the police/media 24/7 and decided she didn't want to live, suicide is everywhere, but instead of going alone decided to take out a few on the other side as she see's it.

But this story and the womans wish's (if they are true and accurate, no spin involved) are not proof that her dead husband was a genuine suicide bomber.

I'm sure with a little digging a different picture of this woman can be found, remember the 45 minute chemical attack a few years ago all the papers were howling on about without asking critical questions, simple questions even, I remember at the time arguing with somebody online that even if Iraq could attack britain that the germs/chemicals they had were dead/useless anyway, they were years after their sell by date, none of the papers bothered to check that little blooper.

I still believe 7/7 wasn't what the official report says it was.

Monty Burnz

stuar wrote: »

Monty I don't see how this woman who supposedly wants to blow herself up has anything to do with the 7/7 bombings being falseflag or not.

You must admit that it seems a pretty huge coincidence that a man who (according to one version of the CT) was told he was involved in a training exercise where he pretended to be a suicide bomber turns out to be married to a woman who has declared her intention to become a suicide bomber?

Using Occam's razor, is it not simpler to suggest that both he and his wife were radicalised by the same means and ended up with the same beliefs and goals?

Tzar Chasm

Jonny7 wrote: »

Torakx wrote: »

Its my belief in general that these people are setup with a belief system and the way is cleared for them to do the damage, then they are targeted and silenced/jailed.
Thats how i would see this type of thing run.

Extraordinary claim - proof or evidence of this?

Google - kevin fulton- for a starting point, lots has come out over the last few years about how british double agents/plants organized, masterminded and spearheaded IRA attacks

So its not an extraordinary claim.

Monty Burnz

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

So its not an extraordinary claim.

It sort of is. If you go down that road, you could claim that every single insurgency or terrorist group in history was organised by some other group.

Tzar Chasm

Well, it would not be unreasonable to claim that throughout history infiltrators/double agents have attempted to influence the direction of such organizations to their own ends, often dictated by those the insurgent/resistance groups stand in opposition to

Monty Burnz

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Well, it would not be unreasonable to claim that throughout history infiltrators/double agents have attempted to influence the direction of such organizations to their own ends, often dictated by those the insurgent/resistance groups stand in opposition to

The problem with that is that you end up in extremis with a situation where you are postulating a world where terrorism doesn't exist and is an invention of governments - which is plainly ludicrous.

Tzar Chasm

Terrorism IS an invention of government tho.

Terrorism is a label placed by governments on people who disagree with them, the people generally are reactionary to governments, so its the government which creates the environment which gives rise to terrorist, they don't spring up in a vacuam

Monty Burnz

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Terrorism IS an invention of government tho.

Terrorism is a label placed by governments on people who disagree with them, the people generally are reactionary to governments, so its the government which creates the environment which gives rise to terrorist, they don't spring up in a vacuam

So, right now, Fianna Fail are terrorists?

Tzar Chasm

Well if they actually disagreed with them on something maybe we could have that discussion, but the only differences are cosmetic, so that line of reasoning is dead in the water, think more along the lines of
falun gong as described by the chinese government
Wikileaks in the eyes of the US administration
Anonomous and other 'cyberterrorists' in europe

Those are examples who have not picked up a gun, if that was the angle you were going for.

Howeveralong wirh those that do arm themselves,
syrian/libyan/egyptian 'rebels'
The RA
ETA
Bader meinhoff

They All share the same tales of infiltrators escalating events towards an agenda at odds with the core element of the organisation

Jonny7

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Terrorism IS an invention of government tho.

Terrorism is a label placed by governments on people who disagree with them, the people generally are reactionary to governments, so its the government which creates the environment which gives rise to terrorist, they don't spring up in a vacuam

It's not an invention of government, but it is definitely abused.

For instance with the 7/7 bombings, not many people know that shortly (21/07) after another group of bombers tried to blow up more targets but only the detonation caps exploded causing very minor damage. For every successful attack there are numerous foiled or failed attacks.

Terrorism is a definitive problem, unfortunately it's just been hijacked to certain degrees by about every government going, e.g. Bush admin, Assad, Putin, the UK government, tinpot dictators, etc to push other agenda, whether it's abusing "emergency" legislation to punish Icelandic banks or it's being used as an excuse to oppress populations.

Sadly we live in a world with both.

Monty Burnz

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

They All share the same tales of infiltrators escalating events towards an agenda at odds with the core element of the organisation

Indeed - but there's no way that this could be because of fundamentalist true believers/psychopathic personalities taking control? It has to be government intervention? (with the recognition that if the truth got out, the members of government would be facing a gigantic backlash from the public and likely imprisonment for murder)

Tzar Chasm

What I'm saying is that the truth isn't black and white, yesh there are nutters with extremist beliefs, sometimes these guys are well capable of causing mayhem all by themselves but sometimes they only become dangerous when an infiltrator provides material support as sanctioned by their superiors, I recall a case in he us where the infiltrator provided the target and the explosives, without her that group was hsrmless.

As for backlash against the government how many people were convicted or even lost their jobs after the revelations of collusion between the loyalists and british forces in the north?