Have to post about this,

NewBeefFarmer

neighbouring farmer,

history,

fencing by father was baling twine to trees at best,
cattle breaking,
no respect for other people,
i new him as cross when i was a child,
son now has farm, i would be happier if he even used baling twine, as nothing at all is worse,
neglects the few stock, 4/5 heifers/few calves
neglects land hes been given,

cut silage 3 years ago, 60-100 odd bales, let rot away outside the yard, ,
didn't winter feed stock,. let them pick away at the land.. . out all winter.

in stead of fencing an 8 acre field which in march the animals were breaking in to my field, he has the cattle in a 4 acre field grazing pickings for 6 months. . .and even breaking out of this.
I watched these 8 acres grow nothing but weeds and i mean it the biggest 8 acres of thistles I've ever seen, i mean 1000s, and rushes thrown in the mix. ..
my wife was always saying, why isn't he grazing it, its because it wasn't fenced, he wont fence it.
As im making my way through my plots along his field, im fencing, but last march we had nothing as we had no stock, but i have all electric now and even barbed wire where there were gaps were. but clearly did walk the land to even see this. . . .


what annoyed me this evening, when i came home from work, i see that he has knocked the full 8 acres for silage,

hope to got no farmer comes in and buys that sh t.

friggen nerve of some people. .:mad:

looking at it shis evening, its black, . .. i mean it black, and the smell isnt what it should be either. . . .
dont know what he plans to do with it, maybe store it with the other 60 bales. . ..


NBF

lanod2407

Don't get me started on neighbouring farmers.

2 weeks ago he texted me to say that he'd drop my cattle over if I opened the lock on the top gate ......... and there my cattle were - across in his crush. I met his sons and apologied profusely, and suggested that I just walk the cattle back. They wouldn't hear of it and dropped them back in the trailer ........... seemed odd, but thought it was just him making a point to me that he's such a good neighbour.

Met a friend a couple of days later who said he saw that I had "visitors" Sunday morning. I said it was the opposite, and he said "no way, your neighbours were in your field rounding up cattle when I was passing out on the main road".

So, I tackled the neighbour, who said he didn't know what I was talking about but would be happy to help if required. I said that I knew that his cattle had broken in and that he'd taken mine back with his, and sorted them out in the crush, before bringing them back and letting me believe that mine had broken into his place.

SILENCE - not a word. I told him not to trespass again, and to call me if he needed to collect cattle again - he doesn't believe in turning on the electric fence.

Then a week later I was away and my wife heard roaring and shouting and when she walked down the drive there were yer man's cattle running up the drive. They were steered into a field, and the neighbour's sons were up the drive to collect them. She told the first son to leave and that she'd call him when I got home. What she got was intimidation and insistence that no-one would leave without their cattle. Suffice to say that the farmer was cowering outside the gate while the son was sent to deal with my wife.

The Australians have the right idea - not a neighbour for 100 miles!!

alderdeer

There seems to be one in every parish. My next door neighbour died a few years back but he yo used to have the stock in the house with him he had an oul pet of a cow that he used to milk in the kitchen and as for the ones outside god help them cos he never laid a hand on them. He was so useless he even bought a JCB to bury the dead ones but even that just rotted in the field never used
His niece has the place now and they haven't a clue, inbreeding in the stock and nothing tagged. Vet tags with copper tags and they still get the sfp. WTF

tanko

All i would say to anyone with a neighbour like this, is that it is easy to start trouble but not so easy to stop it.

The best thing you can do is put a good fence between you and him (because he never will) and try to forget about him.

miller50841

One thing ive noticed is the ones that have the money wont fence as my dad has a farm and we have nothing on it and over the last few years maybe 4or 5 bullocks, the next farmer(farm) doesnt do any fencing and we do seems mad

alderdeer

tanko wrote: »

All i would say to anyone with a neighbour like this, is that it is easy to start trouble but not so easy to stop it.

The best hing you can do is put a good fence between you and him (because he never will) and try to forget about him.

+1 with that advice bite your lip and keep going for an easy life

Username John

NewBeefFarmer wrote: »

neighbouring farmer,

history,

fencing by father was baling twine to trees at best,
cattle breaking,
no respect for other people,
i new him as cross when i was a child,
son now has farm, i would be happier if he even used baling twine, as nothing at all is worse,
neglects the few stock, 4/5 heifers/few calves
neglects land hes been given,

cut silage 3 years ago, 60-100 odd bales, let rot away outside the yard, ,
didn't winter feed stock,. let them pick away at the land.. . out all winter.

in stead of fencing an 8 acre field which in march the animals were breaking in to my field, he has the cattle in a 4 acre field grazing pickings for 6 months. . .and even breaking out of this.
I watched these 8 acres grow nothing but weeds and i mean it the biggest 8 acres of thistles I've ever seen, i mean 1000s, and rushes thrown in the mix. ..
my wife was always saying, why isn't he grazing it, its because it wasn't fenced, he wont fence it.
As im making my way through my plots along his field, im fencing, but last march we had nothing as we had no stock, but i have all electric now and even barbed wire where there were gaps were. but clearly did walk the land to even see this. . . .


what annoyed me this evening, when i came home from work, i see that he has knocked the full 8 acres for silage,

hope to got no farmer comes in and buys that sh t.

friggen nerve of some people. .:mad:

looking at it shis evening, its black, . .. i mean it black, and the smell isnt what it should be either. . . .
dont know what he plans to do with it, maybe store it with the other 60 bales. . ..


NBF

What? ? Them 8 acres of mine are super quality stuff...

Anyone want to buy some bales lads? Going cheap... Oh, yes, of course tis top quality stuff... *cough cough*

I have a few lower quality ones from a season or two ago in the yard if you're interested as well...

lanod2407

tanko wrote: »

All i would say to anyone with a neighbour like this, is that it is easy to start trouble but not so easy to stop it.

The best hing you can do is put a good fence between you and him (because he never will) and try to forget about him.

+1. Avoid trouble if possible, but it's not always possible! Sometimes you just have to stand up to bullies and people who refuse to do the right thing. You just need to be aware of what you're getting into ........... it's ugly, damn ugly.

farmboy1130

The neighbours around here do no fencing what so ever, they will never take the initiative and offer to give a man help to do it or pay for half the cost of the materials. In my opinion ; If fences are getting weak beside a neighbours field the best thing is to call to his house, don't ring on the phone (waste of time ). Ask him face to face to come to some arrangement for him to give help doing the job and money to pay half the cost of the materials, dont be shy about it, but try to be friendly. some people may get thick about it and wont co-operate, but the vast majority will co-operate if asked in the right way. if all goes to all and you cant get anything from your neighbour, you will just have to do all the fencing and pay for the materials yourself ; but in this case, if there is a very large area to be fenced; best thing would be to send your neighbour a solicitors letter asking for the expenses of the materials to be covered by him. this may give him the fright he needs. its better to maintain good fences on land than have cattle thieving on and destorying your land, try and go around all your fences every year and keep them maintained, let the neighbour maintain the fence one year and you the next ; and hold him to task if hes not doing his job. dont let fences fall apart like that in the first place.

"You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality." - Ayn Rand

Hell is other people. - jean paul satre.

Sam Kade

Username John wrote: »

What? ? Them 8 acres of mine are super quality stuff...

Anyone want to buy some bales lads? Going cheap... Oh, yes, of course tis top quality stuff... *cough cough*

I have a few lower quality ones from a season or two ago in the yard if you're interested as well...

Maybe if you get a buyer for them you could start fencing your boundaries and keep them free grazers in

jc bamford

Don't ever cuss that farmer, boy
Unless you want that farmer out of tune
That farmer there in trouble, boy
Ain't nothin' but another side of you

Apologies to K K

redzerologhlen

Nbf, the video says all I have to say about your neighbour situation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biArkwUaURA

F.D

I think its time people stopped thinking about not upsetting the Neighbours and just keep on reporting them to the department for every little thing they do wrong, luckily we have no bad neighbours but it annoys me on one farm down the road looking at a herd of dairy cows grazing paddocks with a line of ragworth where the topper wont cut under the fences, it actually looks like hedgrows of the bloody stuff now, wheres all the lads in the deptartment to go in and fine these people ? thats what i would like to know

NewBeefFarmer

lads. . just to confirm. . . i am keeping my head down. . he was born useless. i aint going to change him.

what matters to me is my fence and my animals. . .

Dont be daft

F.D wrote: »

I think its time people stopped thinking about not upsetting the Neighbours and just keep on reporting them to the department for every little thing they do wrong, luckily we have no bad neighbours but it annoys me on one farm down the road looking at a herd of dairy cows grazing paddocks with a line of ragworth where the topper wont cut under the fences, it actually looks like hedgrows of the bloody stuff now, wheres all the lads in the deptartment to go in and fine these people ? thats what i would like to know

If I had a problem with someone I'd say it to their face rather than run of to the department.

Just my own opinion, but if someone had a problem with something I did and their 1st port of call was to the authorities be it the Department of Ag, Co. Co. etc etc. I wouldnt be to happy with them.
(Not that its ever happened mind you, Im f*ckin sound!)

leg wax

a very simple problem to solve,but cant say on here,works for piebald horses aswell.:pac:

Dont be daft

leg wax wrote: »

a very simple problem to solve,but cant say on here,works for piebald horses aswell.:pac:

We had a piebald problem on a rented farm our 1st year in it.

Needless to say we dont have that problem anymore. And it wasnt ringing the department or council that solved it.;)

Them lads only go into places were they can get away with it.

1chippy

i'd agree with don't be daft. i'd consider going straight to the department as being a bit sneaky and under handed. go straight to him , nearly everyone has an angle whereby you can help to persuade them to do what you want without presurrising or being threatening. just make the fence his idea and then split costs.

xDramaxQueenx

what happened the horses?

locky76

IF you want to really piss him off do as you suggest, solicitor's letters don't solve anything in my humble opinion :rolleyes:.
If you want a more pragmatic approach just go away and do the fencing yourself, take the hit on the cost and maintain it yourself annually, it's small money in the long run (when you write it off over 8 years) you're trying to squeeze him for.

farmboy1130 wrote: »

The neighbours around here do no fencing what so ever, they will never take the initiative and offer to give a man help to do it or pay for half the cost of the materials. In my opinion ; If fences are getting weak beside a neighbours field the best thing is to call to his house, don't ring on the phone (waste of time ). Ask him face to face to come to some arrangement for him to give help doing the job and money to pay half the cost of the materials, dont be shy about it, but try to be friendly. some people may get thick about it and wont co-operate, but the vast majority will co-operate if asked in the right way. if all goes to all and you cant get anything from your neighbour, you will just have to do all the fencing and pay for the materials yourself ; but in this case, if there is a very large area to be fenced; best thing would be to send your neighbour a solicitors letter asking for the expenses of the materials to be covered by him. this may give him the fright he needs. its better to maintain good fences on land than have cattle thieving on and destorying your land, try and go around all your fences every year and keep them maintained, let the neighbour maintain the fence one year and you the next ; and hold him to task if hes not doing his job. dont let fences fall apart like that in the first place.

"You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality." - Ayn Rand

Hell is other people. - jean paul satre.

Dont be daft

xDramaxQueenx wrote: »

what happened the horses?

Nothing, the solution was more owner targeted, lets say;)

farmboy1130

locky76 wrote: »

IF you want to really piss him off do as you suggest, solicitor's letters don't solve anything in my humble opinion :rolleyes:.
If you want a more pragmatic approach just go away and do the fencing yourself, take the hit on the cost and maintain it yourself annually, it's small money in the long run (when you write it off over 8 years) you're trying to squeeze him for.

ya, i know what you mean about the solicitors letter, maybe a little heavy handed, the less a man sees of a solicitor the better as them folk will rob ya. its better to keep on the right side of your neighbor, you never know the day you might need him badly and have to call on him. thinking about it in hindsight, better to keep the peace and do what ever fencing required, its just that some times there can be neighbors who totally take the piss.
newbeeffarmer - i would say don't get too annoyed with your neighbor, hes just a young lad trying to find his way in the world, as is said sometimes the failures of today can be the successes of tomorrow, and the successes of to day the failures of tomorrow. time brings changes- over time people can change their way of thinking, maybe he will be a model neighbor in the future, but if you fall out with him now, it wont do you any good long-term.

cj maxx

seems that fencing needs to be done either way.
i wouldnt go down the solicitor route at all at the moment.
its up to you if you do it yourself or ask for a contribution . that , i reckon is your call . if you think hes reasonable but that things got away from him,(as happens with young fellas trying to take on too much/things not in their nature) he might help you fence.
if hes a smart ass who would graze your front lawn for free grass i'd fence myself . better than asking him for help and him laughing in your face and you doing it yourself anyway. oh and do it right , 4 row of wire

lanod2407

I'm not fully in agreement with the sentiment that's being written on going to the authorities, but I'll put a major caveat in there.
I spent over 2 years working with a neighbour to get him to reduce the appalling noise levels from a new venture that he didn't have planning permission for. 2 years of calls, texts, visits, and towards the end ..... letters. Everything I did was a waste of time and the issue got worse by the month.
By the time the council caught up with him I was ready for action, and lodged my objection in the full knowledge that I'd done everything I could and that life was going to become a right pain in the ass when he saw my objection.

Life is now painful as the process proceeds, but I'm good with it, only because I know that there was nothing else I could do to get the thing resolved.

My key message here is that you need to satisfy yourself that you've done what you can to resolve an issue with a neighbour .......... but after that I'd direct my issue to the relevant authority, and I have no time for that old Irish attitude that you can't report people to the authorities ....... that's what they're there for and if all else fails you owe it to yourself to take the next step.

Failing to report problems has gotten this place where it is today, whether it be banks, priests, property developers, or gob****es who think its ok to have 50 dogs barking at 3 in the morning!

farmboy1130

lanod2407 wrote: »

Failing to report problems has gotten this place where it is today, whether it be banks, priests, property developers, or gob****es who think its ok to have 50 dogs barking at 3 in the morning!

well said, and i understand your point of view.but thinking about it, i don't think many farmers want to report or fall out with their neighbours because, who knows how circumstances change in the future... maybe that neighbour you reported or fell out with over something decides to rent or sell his land.... if you have caused him trouble in the past will he sell or rent to you ? the answer is no in most cases. will he buy some of your cattle or produce if they come for sale... answer is no in most cases....will you be able to borrow any of his machinery or get him to help you....no again. if the farmer has a nice daughter that you would like talk to and get to know, will she oblige, answer is no in most cases...thinking about it now...reporting neighbors maybe should only be reserved for some kind of extreme, exceptional circumstance cases, other wise a man could be only shooting himself in the foot long term.....

Dont be daft

lanod2407 wrote: »

I'm not fully in agreement with the sentiment that's being written on going to the authorities, but I'll put a major caveat in there.
I spent over 2 years working with a neighbour to get him to reduce the appalling noise levels from a new venture that he didn't have planning permission for. 2 years of calls, texts, visits, and towards the end ..... letters. Everything I did was a waste of time and the issue got worse by the month.
By the time the council caught up with him I was ready for action, and lodged my objection in the full knowledge that I'd done everything I could and that life was going to become a right pain in the ass when he saw my objection.

Life is now painful as the process proceeds, but I'm good with it, only because I know that there was nothing else I could do to get the thing resolved.

My key message here is that you need to satisfy yourself that you've done what you can to resolve an issue with a neighbour .......... but after that I'd direct my issue to the relevant authority, and I have no time for that old Irish attitude that you can't report people to the authorities ....... that's what they're there for and if all else fails you owe it to yourself to take the next step.

Failing to report problems has gotten this place where it is today, whether it be banks, priests, property developers, or gob****es who think its ok to have 50 dogs barking at 3 in the morning!

Just to highlight, when I disagreed with reporting a neighbour, I meant it as a first reaction.

As in, not giving the culprit any chance to make amends under his own steam.

I dont think anyone can argue against reporting something to the authorities when the offence is ongoing and the culprit has no intention of stopping.
But equally a neighbour who would report another without first raising the issue with him shows a complete lack of solidarity and empathy. Those kind of neighbours, I can certainly do without.

49801

Dont be daft wrote: »

Just to highlight, when I disagreed with reporting a neighbour, I meant it as a first reaction.

As in, not giving the culprit any chance to make amends under his own steam.

I dont think anyone can argue against reporting something to the authorities when the offence is ongoing and the culprit has no intention of stopping.
But equally a neighbour who would report another without first raising the issue with him shows a complete lack of solidarity and empathy. Those kind of neighbours, I can certainly do without.

I understand what you mean about approaching the neighbour first but sometimes that would only draw their wrath on you and the situation would become much worse. Have a neighbour here who is converting stables and outhouses into rented accommodation. Zero planning etc. We're not going to get involved as we want a quite life. While that decision is not made for the right reasons it is still the best decision for us.