Card. Martini's interview from the Grave

ehcocmeo

Hi All, Interested in knowing your thoughts ( I am asking Catholics here ) on Card. Martini's interview from the grave that was published.

Baggio1

latest in a long line of begrudging traitors...

Juza1973

Cardinal Martini was a great Prince of the Church, and he left his mark in Milano (I am Italian). He obviously wasn't a traitor as he was never excommunicated and died as a full status Cardinal. He gave his life for Christ (not by heroic sacrifice but expending all of it for Him) and I will always honour him as a much better Christian than me. That said I really don't feel the same way he felt about the Church. We are supposed to be 200 years behind from what? If the most important thing is being in line with the times then we should follow secular leaders, because they are the secular time. This way we will turn the Church into a modern company and follow the rules of the world. But to do this I don't need a Church or a Priest. It is like the Spartan that went to the temple and asked the Priest "how am I honoring here, men or Gods?" The priest: "Gods". The Spartan: "then make way, man." I think that we should search to do the will of God, not caring it is behind the times or too early for the times. In these times and place we are not into a religion because you can be kicked out of your working place and community if you don't follow, you follow it voluntarily, so you don't have the excuse of having to conform.

PDN

ehcocmeo wrote: »

Hi All, Interested in knowing your thoughts ( I am asking Catholics here ) on Card. Martini's interview from the grave that was published.

"It's awfully dark in here."

totus tuus

May God have mercy on his soul.

According to the following article, it seems that the the cardinal was calling for a religious revival, not for the abolition of unpopular Church teachings.

There are various English reports on the web about the substance of the interview, but all of them seem to focus on the headline-grabbing nature of the cardinal’s words, particularly his assertion that the Church is 200 years behind the times. But they miss what to me is the nub of what the cardinal has to say.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2012/09/04/dont-believe-what-youve-read-about-cardinal-martinis-last-interview/

J C

PDN wrote: »

"It's awfully dark in here."

Spiritual or physical?

ehcocmeo

PDN wrote: »

"It's awfully dark in here."

J C wrote: »

Spiritual or physical?

So. Is there a serious forum? . or does everyone just poke holes at each others posts.


Card. Martini.. Jesuit. In my view was sincere trying to reach out to all. But did he take a path away from true teaching.

lmaopml

ehcocmeo wrote: »

So. Is there a serious forum? . or does everyone just poke holes at each others posts.


Card. Martini.. Jesuit. In my view was sincere trying to reach out to all. But did he take a path away from true teaching.

No he didn't, he gave his life to God the best way he knew how, how many can say that? - and he left an impression.

Very many leave an impression in the history of Christ's Church - the most important thing is to be obedient, what the Gospel calls a 'slave' or 'servant' to others, to the community, it's members, the Church, the Community - No matter, the Cardinal was a servant, and providence works in many ways.

There is no mistaking he was a 'liberal' but he was a 'liberal' who tried to understand, and his love was boundless, even to err but it was compassion that drove him.... and imo beat down his pride to the end in obedience to the Gospel. HE lived it after all. That's what it's all about - he was a Christian. A most loved one, who had something to say and to teach...about charity.

zoomtard

I love how the Catholics on this thread feel they are in a place to attack a cardinal who also happens to be arguably the most prominent New Testament scholar in the recent history of the church... because of a posthumous interview.

The inevitable irony of kneejerk ultra-montanism?

ehcocmeo

The Cardinal was at odds with Church teaching for 20 years. Is faith something that should fall under words like progressive? For example he suggested that we should allow divorce in the church.. or rather allow divorce people to marry again.

What the Church is lacking are people how actually live their faith instead of talking about it or talking down the church.

Maybe its his Jesuit background as they always seem to carry a superior view with them,, Or maybe he was sincere. Reality is I see no benefit at all to his interview, it does nothing to help the Church.

Benny_Cake

Just to clarify, it was an actual interview which was carried out before his death (the last interview he ever gave). It would not normally be necessary to point this out, but given the thread title and some of the bizarre posts (Satan appearing in Monaghan and so on) that pop up here from time to time... Anyway, you can find a link to a full translation here.

I can't say I know a lot about him apart from the fact that he was an outstanding Biblical scholar and I believe he was very popular with the people of Milan, particularly the youth. In any case, he doesn't appear to have said anything outrageous and for some people to call a man who dedicated his life to the service of his church a "begrudging traitor" says more about them than it does about the Cardinal.

Doc Farrell

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Just to clarify, it was an actual interview which was carried out before his death (the last interview he ever gave). It would not normally be necessary to point this out, but given the thread title and some of the bizarre posts (Satan appearing in Monaghan and so on) that pop up here from time to time... Anyway, you can find a link to a full translation here.

I can't say I know a lot about him apart from the fact that he was an outstanding Biblical scholar and I believe he was very popular with the people of Milan, particularly the youth. In any case, he doesn't appear to have said anything outrageous and for some people to call a man who dedicated his life to the service of his church a "begrudging traitor" says more about them than it does about the Cardinal.

Obviously you are a hardened Internet jansenist and pre- Vatican twoist! Basically a work of the devil!
Martini's 40 books translated into 20 languages, his literaracy in a dozen languages, his hundreds of respected articles, his thousands of sermons, his millions of engaged listeners, hold no truck with me.
Its important to misquote him on a subject and reinforce that misquote with my own views.
To the Internet!

lmaopml

Doc, I think that's what Benny was saying. He gave his life in service....and he was also highly educated and had something to say.

That's ok. So did the very best servants we know. One must be a servant - that's the basics - he knew it. He was a 'Child' of God.

Doc Farrell

Yes, just my little attempt at humour, I know Benny cake is one of those moderate types. Also, my commiserations on becoming a moderator. You deserve everything you get!
With the winter nights closing I might be putting my Internet crazy hat on and start posting again. I'm afraid to open a few of the current threads! Here we go!

lmaopml

Doc Farrell wrote: »

Yes, just my little attempt at humour, I know Benny cake is one of those moderate types. Also, my commiserations on becoming a moderator. You deserve everything you get!
With the winter nights closing I might be putting my Internet crazy hat on and start posting again. I'm afraid to open a few of the current threads! Here we go!

Yeah, I read your post this morning again and I think I got the 'humour'...lol..

I didn't quite get it on first reading at the time. Still, though there's no need to think that this 'person' wasn't one of our very own - he was, mine and yours, no seperation necessary. I don't care what side of the fence we think we're playing ball on - He was loved for a reason, and owned by God because he was a humble soul, he had things to say, places to be, people to talk to etc etc, but he was a Servant, and that's how he lived and how he loved. That's why he will be remembered - No need for talks from the grave...lol...people just love a little drama - but it doesn't explain the man. The man was a Christian, and he became like a child in his lifetime in order to serve.

So, a big thankyou to him.