Duck Hunting from Boat

Tawny Owl

Hope someone can call this one as Secretary of the Club had a report on Saturday from two members in my Club that were on Gun Club land waiting for Ducks beside the river when two lads went by driving a boat with two dogs inside the lads were covered in Camo there not from our Club they did not pull in to one side but were shooting as the boat was driving later that night another report from another two Members that they got stuck the water level had dropped and one of them was on the bank pulling the Boat to deeper water to about 200 yards one of the Members told him he was on Gun Club Lands he said he knew but the Boat got stuck my question is what is the position as there from another County coming into the area we have tendered for and shooting our lads were going nuts there 1st was F###ed.:mad:

sikahuntejack

I dont know much about the laws of shooting from a boat where im from in carlow i know you are not allowed to shoot from a boat on the barrow or from the foot path along the river if the lads got stuck and had to go onto the land to pull the boat to deeper water dont see much of a problem with that as long as they were not shooting the land

snipe02

Tawny Owl wrote: »

Hope someone can call this one as Secretary of the Club had a report on Saturday from two members in my Club that were on Gun Club land waiting for Ducks beside the river when two lads went by driving a boat with two dogs inside the lads were covered in Camo there not from our Club they did not pull in to one side but were shooting as the boat was driving later that night another report from another two Members that they got stuck the water level had dropped and one of them was on the bank pulling the Boat to deeper water to about 200 yards one of the Members told him he was on Gun Club Lands he said he knew but the Boat got stuck my question is what is the position as there from another County coming into the area we have tendered for and shooting our lads were going nuts there 1st was F###ed.:mad:

dont think you can shoot from a motorised vehicle and if they knew it was club land they were obviously taking the piss and had no regard or respect for people in the club:mad: cement block through the bottom of the boat put a stop to that sh;t

Tawny Owl

sikahuntejack wrote: »

I dont know much about the laws of shooting from a boat where im from in carlow i know you are not allowed to shoot from a boat on the barrow or from the foot path along the river if the lads got stuck and had to go onto the land to pull the boat to deeper water dont see much of a problem with that as long as they were not shooting the land

I understand about the the water level been low I have no problem I dont want anything to happen to anyone it this case they dont give a toss about our Gun Club Shooting rights there only thinking of themselves.I just want to be in a position to approch them if it happens again then report them if they start giving verbals.

Invincible

Tawny Owl wrote: »

Hope someone can call this one as Secretary of the Club had a report on Saturday from two members in my Club that were on Gun Club land waiting for Ducks beside the river when two lads went by driving a boat with two dogs inside the lads were covered in Camo there not from our Club they did not pull in to one side but were shooting as the boat was driving later that night another report from another two Members that they got stuck the water level had dropped and one of them was on the bank pulling the Boat to deeper water to about 200 yards one of the Members told him he was on Gun Club Lands he said he knew but the Boat got stuck my question is what is the position as there from another County coming into the area we have tendered for and shooting our lads were going nuts there 1st was F###ed.:mad:

Ask your club secretary to write a letter to their club detailing the event, name the shooters if possible, state that if it happens again, it will be brought to the attention of the County body.

Vegeta

This is a tricky one, is it a state controlled river or privately owned?

The guys who are into fishing might be better clued in than me but I think if the river is privately owned then the sporting rights belong to the owner and he can do as he wishes with them.

If it is a state controlled waterway and the lads had foreshore licenses for that river then I don't think there is anything to be done. Everything would be legit.

garv123

If the boat wasn't stationary when firing shots they were breaking the law.

You'll have to find out about the river to see is it state or private to see who can shoot on it.

Vegeta

Good point about the boat garv I forgot to mention that. Can't shoot at duck from a moving boat.

snipe02

find out who own the sporting rights to the river\ land is there an angling club there also sometime the angling clubs will also sometimes posses the sporting rights if your club has the sporting rights then it controls the shooting\hunting activity if its only a verbal with the landowner ya dont really have any where to stand there is also access rights to river banks but does not include any sporting activity like shooting thats my understanding of it if your club does own the rights then ye reserve the rights to prevent them from shooting by putting signs up informing people sometimes this can backfire and might end up no-one shooting there happened here a few years back 2 partys fighting over rights when a third party actually owned the rights and access and now its completely closed off to everybody thread carefully the suggestion of going to there club and asking nicely seems to be the best sallution to me good luck with it

Tawny Owl

Invincible wrote: »

Ask your club secretary to write a letter to their club detailing the event, name the shooters if possible, state that if it happens again, it will be brought to the attention of the County body.

I am the Club Secterary very hard to stop a boat in the middle of the River Barrow and I dont know what Club there from but I know the direction they went that night and did not come back the same way.

Tawny Owl

snipe02 wrote: »

find out who own the sporting rights to the river\ land is there an angling club there also sometime the angling clubs will also sometimes posses the sporting rights if your club has the sporting rights then it controls the shooting\hunting activity if its only a verbal with the landowner ya dont really have any where to stand there is also access rights to river banks but does not include any sporting activity like shooting thats my understanding of it if your club does own the rights then ye reserve the rights to prevent them from shooting by putting signs up informing people sometimes this can backfire and might end up no-one shooting there happened here a few years back 2 partys fighting over rights when a third party actually owned the rights and access and now its completely closed off to everybody thread carefully the suggestion of going to there club and asking nicely seems to be the best sallution to me good luck with it

I applied this year for the shooting rights to Coillte we have them till 2015 the banks of the river are part of that Hunting licence and we have shot over this land for the last 40 years we are members of the Fishing Club as well so we all get on

Theshooter2012

You can shoot from a boat so long as the engine is not running. The guns cannot be loaded when the engine is on and only two guns per 13ft boat. As far as i know lakes and rivers are public land so no club can claim the rights for the water but as soon as they are walking or shooting over gun club land they can be put off it. Or reported for shooting without sufficient permission.

snipe02

Tawny Owl wrote: »

I applied this year for the shooting rights to Coillte we have them till 2015 the banks of the river are part of that Hunting licence and we have shot over this land for the last 40 years we are members of the Fishing Club as well so we all get on

if the both banks of the river are part of the lisence then they have no right to shoot on the river if that was the case and it was a deer let with a river through it does that mean ya could be in the river and shoot what ya want no, it should be the same with ducks if i wasd you id ask the nargc and coillte to issue your club with a statement on the matter and get signs up

Tawny Owl

snipe02 wrote: »

if the both banks of the river are part of the lisence then they have no right to shoot on the river if that was the case and it was a deer let with a river through it does that mean ya could be in the river and shoot what ya want no, it should be the same with ducks if i wasd you id ask the nargc and coillte to issue your club with a statement on the matter and get signs up

Thanks Snipe have today sat down and I am drafting a letter to Coillte asking where we stand on this although this Thread is getting good comments I dont want to get to tied down with it like all arguements we could go on for ever need to put this to bed quickly as I can as I am sure as always something else will pop up to keep me busy writing letters and been on Boards when I could be out like yourself shooting which is what I want to do,

Cheers,:D

deerhunter1

garv123 wrote: »

If the boat wasn't stationary when firing shots they were breaking the law.

You'll have to find out about the river to see is it state or private to see who can shoot on it.

I think you can once it is not mechanically driven ie using an engine

Vegeta

owelfisherman wrote: »

You cant shoot from a boat its simply ileagle
ofm

That's simply not true.

Dalken

My understanding is that you cannot shoot from a driven boat, boat must be staionary. I can remember about ten years ago lads were done for shooting duck on Lough Deravarragh from a driven boat. In my opinion thats only right.

Vegeta

Dalken wrote: »

My understanding is that you cannot shoot from a driven boat, boat must be staionary.

Yup that's correct and proper order.

owelfisherman

Dalken wrote: »

My understanding is that you cannot shoot from a driven boat, boat must be staionary. I can remember about ten years ago lads were done for shooting duck on Lough Deravarragh from a driven boat. In my opinion thats only right.

What i.meant to say.^^

2gunquayle

im that person who was on the river bank on the 1st, myself and another gun club member, what chance had we got to shoot ducks on the river that day with 2 jaysus hillbillies flying up n down the river, the noise
alone from the engine was enough to frighten a dragonfly off, they had no concideration for anybody else on the river that day, i reckon they had a better day than me and my mate, :mad: BAD SPORTSMANSHIP, THATS ALL IT WAS

snipe02

2gunquayle wrote: »

im that person who was on the river bank on the 1st, myself and another gun club member, what chance had we got to shoot ducks on the river that day with 2 jaysus hillbillies flying up n down the river, the noise
alone from the engine was enough to frighten a dragonfly off, they had no concideration for anybody else on the river that day, i reckon they had a better day than me and my mate, :mad: BAD SPORTSMANSHIP, THATS ALL IT WAS

what are ye going to do about it if it happens again ?

Dalken

Meself and my mate had a great morning on the river, we flew up and down a few times in a boat and bagged a dozen ducks each.

2gunquayle

snipe02 wrote: »

what are ye going to do about it if it happens again ?

what can we do about it, we would all like to deal with it in out own ways and means butv we cant can we, so next time a well aimed f****n brick might just do the job, or 999,

Dalken

2gunquayle wrote: »

what can we do about it, we would all like to deal with it in out own ways and means butv we cant can we, so next time a well aimed f****n brick might just do the job, or 999,

Rat them up to the Rangers and from what I've heard in the past it's bye bye boat. All messing aside lads like that ruin a mornings shooting and give the rest of us a bad name. Bet my house they're the sort of hunters who go the opening morning blast all round them and then forget about it until next year.

snipe02

2gunquayle wrote: »

what can we do about it, we would all like to deal with it in out own ways and means butv we cant can we, so next time a well aimed f****n brick might just do the job, or 999,

next year get your whole club out on the river with bales of bricks leave the guns and dogs at home and enjoy the second day instead:D

2gunquayle

Dalken wrote: »

Rat them up to the Rangers and from what I've heard in the past it's bye bye boat. All messing aside lads like that ruin a mornings shooting and give the rest of us a bad name. Bet my house they're the sort of hunters who go the opening morning blast all round them and then forget about it until next year.

well if they wer out for just 1 morning, or not, they didnt care who's day the f****d up did they, ahh well ye never kknow who might be patroling the river in the future,

2gunquayle

true, it would be a cheap days huntin, and ye get the rocks for free,

peenie92

our local gun glub had the very same problem, we dont own the river and chances are if your just a standard gun club with land and not a wildfowlers club then you dont have rights to the river either. They can fly up and down the river all day and unfortunately you cant touch them but if one shot is fired and that boat isnt anchored or tied up with engines switched off then get on the blower to the guards and put a stop to it straight away. They are breaking the law plain and simple not just some unwritten hunting code of pratice their boats guns the whole lot will be taken and trust me word will spread what happened and your gun club wont have that trouble again.

2gunquayle

well il be keeping a close eye on the river in the future, il wont have any rergrets bout ringing the cops,