Found old coin

aoodi

Found this old coin, anyone know anything about it, i did some searching, it says its a commonwealth of england, 1656

coylemj

It looks like a Cromwell half crown, see the 'II VI' at the top of the first picture just below the year '1656' which indicates two shillings and six pence i.e. a half crown.

http://cromwellcoins.com/html/ii_vi_-_half_crowns.html

On value, this site says the 1656 HC is extremely rare.

http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/values/halfc.html#OC

aoodi

coylemj wrote: »

It looks like a Cromwell half crown, see the 'II VI' at the top of the first picture just below the year '1656' which indicates two shillings and six pence i.e. a half crown.

http://cromwellcoins.com/html/ii_vi_-_half_crowns.html

On value, this site says the 1656 HC is extremely rare.

http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/values/halfc.html#OC

omg, jesus, how rare do you think it is, its dirty as feck too. should i clean it or leave it alone?

aoodi

found a knife too, mabe you know something about it too. ill upload it in a min

aoodi

miller50841

Dont clean or try repair you will ruin any chance of it been worth something.

A lot are mistaken and do try and repair, clean and so on.

coylemj

miller50841 wrote: »

Dont clean or try repair you will ruin any chance of it been worth something.

A lot are mistaken and do try and repair, clean and so on.

+1 you can only reduce the value by trying to clean it, do not attempt to do so.

I found the details on the coin simply by searching Google to see who was ruling GB in 1656. When I saw that it was the period of the Commonwealth I looked up details of the coins minted during the Cromwell period and quickly found your coin.

The knife (which I'd have put in a separate thread by the way) looks like a regular knife that a boy scout would wear in a scabbard on his belt, I doubt it has any value as a collectible.

aoodi

coylemj wrote: »

+1 you can only reduce the value by trying to clean it, do not attempt to do so.

I found the details on the coin simply by searching Google to see who was ruling GB in 1656. When I saw that it was the period of the Commonwealth I looked up details of the coins minted during the Cromwell period and quickly found your coin.

The knife (which I'd have put in a separate thread by the way) looks like a regular knife that a boy scout would wear in a scabbard on his belt, I doubt it has any value as a collectible.

yea sorry i didnt put the knife in a new topic. but thanks for that, im just curious what would the value be of this coin, i found some research myself on it, but cant get my head around it. is value based on condition? whats the IIVI mean in it.

RobbingBandit

2/6 would be my guess meaning half a crown the coins value,where did you find the coin and knife.

aoodi

RobbingBandit wrote: »

2/6 would be my guess meaning half a crown the coins value,where did you find the coin and knife.

what does 2/6 even mean? found them years ago while digging up the garden. found a few things with it.

RobbingBandit

2 shillings and 6 pennies. Very nice find, that knife must have an interesting story behind it.

aoodi

RobbingBandit wrote: »

2 shillings and 6 pennies. Very nice find, that knife must have an interesting story behind it.

where would i bring the coin? do you think its worth anything today.

aoodi

found an old musket gun too. but its in bad shape. really long barrel on it. wooden handle is gone off it. was about 20years ago.

RobbingBandit

aoodi wrote: »

where would i bring the coin? do you think its worth anything today.

As the poster above said it is an extremely rare coin even in the condition it is in, there are coin fairs run every few months in Dublin and Belfast, if there are any local antique shops bring what you found into them.

coylemj

aoodi wrote: »

is value based on condition? whats the IIVI mean in it.

I answered that in my first post above, it's Roman numerals for '2 6' which is two shillings and six pence in old money aka a half crown, it would have been written on paper as 2/6.

Half crowns were in circulation up to 1969 when they were withdrawn as part of the lead up to decimalization which happened in 1971. There was eight half crowns in a pound.

Value is based on rarity and condition.

nervous_twitch

According to this site OP, there were less than 100 samples of your coin manufactured.

aoodi

nervous_twitch wrote: »

According to this site OP, there were less than 100 samples of your coin manufactured.

is that good?

nervous_twitch

Yes. It's extremely rare. Condition isnt great, but definitely worth a bit.

aoodi

nervous_twitch wrote: »

Yes. It's extremely rare. Condition isnt great, but definitely worth a bit.

jeez, getting excited now. gona bring it too museum tomorrow. and hope they dont take it off me. or what would be the correct thing too do?

nervous_twitch

I'd get it valued before taking it to a museum. Maybe get in touch with a UK coinage site with your photographs; they'll offer better advice.

There has been some similar, more common, Cromwellian shillings sold through this site: http://www.coinsofbritain.com

See http://www.coinsofbritain.com/pages/coins/coins-recently-sold.asp?cat=24

aoodi

nervous_twitch wrote: »

I'd get it valued before taking it to a museum. Maybe get in touch with a UK coinage site with your photographs; they'll offer better advice.

do you recommend any website worth contacting

nervous_twitch

aoodi wrote: »

do you recommend any website worth contacting

See Edit above.

Einhard

Hey OP, congrats on an incredible find. I'm excited just looking at it, so I can only imagine how you might be feeling! As the others said, don't attempt to clean it. You could damage it, and anyway, a lot of collectors like their coins to have an old look about them. As for a valuation, you could do worse than post the picture on the forum linked below. I did the same for some of my coins and always got prompt, detailed responses. Good luck, and let us know what comes of it.

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=36

RobbingBandit

What did you do with the bones, if there are any local historians in your area get in touch with them as soon as you can, this is some very interesting stuff you have. Can you post a picture of the gun if you get a chance,lucky bastard to find something this good in your own back garden.

aoodi

better photos

coylemj

aoodi wrote: »

jeez, getting excited now. gona bring it too museum tomorrow. and hope they dont take it off me. or what would be the correct thing too do?

I wouldn't go near a museum, they won't give you a value for it because if they did there would be a queue out the door every day of the week and they may decide that it constitutes treasure trove because you found it in the ground in which case it would be for the local coroner (yes, the person who holds inquests into dead people) to decide what happens to it....

Coroners Act 1962

49.—A coroner shall have jurisdiction to inquire into the finding of treasure trove in his district and the provisions of this Act (other than those relating to post-mortem examinations or to the removal of bodies) shall, so far as is consistent with the tenor thereof, apply to every such inquest.


http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1962/en/act/pub/0009/sec0049.html#sec49

aoodi

coylemj wrote: »

I wouldn't go near a museum, they won't give you a value for it because if they did there would be a queue out the door every day of the week and they may decide that it constitutes treasure trove because you found it in the ground in which case it would be for the local coroner (yes, the person who holds inquests into dead people) to decide what happens to it....

Coroners Act 1962

49.—A coroner shall have jurisdiction to inquire into the finding of treasure trove in his district and the provisions of this Act (other than those relating to post-mortem examinations or to the removal of bodies) shall, so far as is consistent with the tenor thereof, apply to every such inquest.


http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1962/en/act/pub/0009/sec0049.html#sec49

thanks very much for the heads up, so where would you go to get it valued, did some searching online, lots of weird prices.

aoodi

are they really hard to find. or would there be alot of them around.

RobbingBandit

I know the coin is what you came on here to discuss but I would really like to here more about the gun and bones you found,was all of this found together and did you only find one coin or were there more. And have you dug up the same area since. You could be sitting on something really important and not even know it.

Dr Strange

CromwellCoins wrote: »

You are asking for a relative judgement. This particular type is not rare. As I said before it is classified as scarce in reference books. Here is the only printed estimate that I am aware of concerning numbers out there by denomination and year date -

http://cromwellcoins.com/html/coin_numbers.html

As you will see a 1656 halfcrown is not a particularly rare date compared to other years especially years where the anchor mintmark was in use - 1658 to 1660.

Welcome to the Collectibles & Antiques forum on boards.ie, CromwellCoins. I checked your website and it seems to be an interesting site for collectors of these particular coins where they can compare their coins to images in your catalogues. I'll add your link to the sticky on weblinks if you wish.

aoodi

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Dr Strange

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aoodi

sorry about that, thanks for telling me.

Dr Strange

aoodi wrote: »

sorry about that, thanks for telling me.

No problem. Once you have a wanted ad or for sale ad on adverts.ie you may link to the ad here on thread.

aoodi

http://www.adverts.ie/coins-notes/commonwealth-halfcrown-1656/2057028

jamiecoins

RobbingBandit wrote: »

I know the coin is what you came on here to discuss but I would really like to here more about the gun and bones you found,was all of this found together and did you only find one coin or were there more. And have you dug up the same area since. You could be sitting on something really important and not even know it.

were did he mention he found bones??

Dr Strange

jamiecoins wrote: »

were did he mention he found bones??

He seems to have edited it out. it was there in one of his original posts and now it's gone. I saw the bones being mentioned though. It's not good to edit information out.

Step23

Sounds like something that needs to be reported, bones, musket etc could be something important!

Thinkingaboutit

It might be something worth excavating, only problem is that archaeological reports tend to vanish or never get published, meaning it was just worthless destruction. I wish I had the money for that coin. Surely the condition is okay, as it was hammered rather than machined.