Wouldn't give car reg

tankbarry

I rang a guy about a Golf I was interested in asked the usual questions told him what I was willing to pay for it if everything was ok. Then asked for the car reg so I can get it checked out for obvious reasons and he would not give it too me told him what I was going to do and would not have any of it...



Sounds a bit odd not giving the car reg if there isn't anything wrong with it. why do people not give the car reg ?

colm_mcm

Maybe they have something to hide, maybe they're not comfortable with you knowing the reg, either way I wouldn't waste my time

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Stay well away, under data protection there's very little you can do with the guy's car reg apart from maybe paying his eflow or car tax for him. Definately something dodgy going on there.

paddy147

tankbarry wrote: »

I rang a guy about a Golf I was interested in asked the usual questions told him what I was willing to pay for it if everything was ok. Then asked for the car reg so I can get it checked out for obvious reasons and he would not give it too me told him what I was going to do and would not have any of it...



Sounds a bit odd not giving the car reg if there isn't anything wrong with it. why do people not give the car reg ?

Did you ever stop to think,that seen as you only rang him and asked for the reg number,that he MAY BE suspecious of YOU????

Why would you go and say you will buy the car for X Amount,when you havent even been to view it in the flesh???????:pac:

The seller has every right to be suspecious.

The Pontiac

paddy147 wrote: »

Did you ever stop to think,that seen as you only rang him and asked for the reg number,that he MAY BE suspecious of YOU????

Why would you go and say you will buy the car for X Amount,when you havent even been to view it in the flesh???????:pac:

The seller has every right to be suspecious.

Why should the seller be suspicious of someone wanting the car reg? What can someone do with a car reg?

paddy147

<Ollie> wrote: »

Why should the seller be suspicious of someone wanting the car reg? What can someone do with a car reg?

Put it on their own car or the same make of car for illegal activities.

Cedrus

Maybe he thinks you're going to clone his car and run up speeding tickets and toll charges on his reg with your similar coloured golf.

He won't get stung, but he won't sell his car either.

techie

I would not go to see a Car that I did not know the Reg of before hand so I can do a History Check on it first.

There are a lot of cars on sale at the moment that the seller " Has for years" but have only been transferred to new owners within the last month or two.

I am looking for a Family Car at the moment and so far have been in touch with 3 people selling the kind of car I want, asked them for more Pics and then I will meet up to possibly buy and I am still waiting !!

Sellers don't seem interested in selling at the moment

The Pontiac

paddy147 wrote: »

Put it on their own car or the same make of car for illegal activities.

It's a red Golf. Loads of them with their reg plates showing on donedeal. Loads more parked in the street.

paddy147

<Ollie> wrote: »

It's a red Golf. Loads of them with their reg plates showing on donedeal. Loads more parked in the street.

Its great to know that the seller must be hiding something then (according to people here).:(

The seller has every right to be wary too.

If I was serious about buying a car,then I would go and view it in the flesh 1st,before saying to the seller,that I will buy it for X Amount over the phone.


Why would you want to buy a car,without even looking at it in the flesh,checking it over and viewing the car reg cert and service book 1st????

Alanstrainor

<Ollie> wrote: »

It's a red Golf. Loads of them with their reg plates showing on donedeal. Loads more parked in the street.

Quick drive around tesco and you'd have you're pick of red golf number plates.

I reckon it's most likely just a silly seller who doesn't realise he'a putting people off tbh.

AltAccount

paddy147 wrote: »

Its great to know that the seller must be hiding something then (according to people here).:(

The seller has every right to be wary too.

If I was serious about buying a car,then I would go and view it in the flesh 1st,before saying to the seller,that I will buy it for X Amount over the phone.


Why would you want to buy a car,without even looking at it in the flesh,checking it over and viewing the car reg cert and service book 1st????

OP said they'd pay for it if everything is OK - which presumably includes viewing, Motorcheck, mechanical check etc.

The fact the OP is (potentially) a poor negotiator doesn't mean they are not genuine.

You're jumping down their throat a bit, TBH.

paddy147

AltAccount wrote: »

OP said they'd pay for it if everything is OK - which presumably includes viewing, Motorcheck, mechanical check etc.

The fact the OP is (potentially) a poor negotiator doesn't mean they are not genuine.

You're jumping down their throat a bit, TBH.

Im not saying the OP is not genuine.

But the OP seems to want to taint the seller of the car,when he hasnt even gone to view the car in the flesh.


Im not actually jumping down their throat here.

You dont say what you will pay for the car,when you havent even seen the bloody thing in the flesh.

Well I wouldnt.
But maybe this is how you buy a car these days..by saying what you will pay for it to the seller on the phone.

challengemaster

paddy147 wrote: »

Im not saying the OP is not genuine.

But the OP seems to want to taint the seller of the car,when he hasnt even gone to view the car in the flesh.


Im not actually jumping down their throat here.

You dont say what you will pay for the car,when you havent even seen the bloody thing in the flesh.

Well I wouldnt.
But maybe this is how you buy a car these days..by saying what you will pay for it to the seller on the phone.

There's something you're not getting here..

If the car is well out of the OPs way, I see no issue with wanting to lash the reg into motorcheck before wasting time and money to go view a lemon.

There's nothing wrong with saying "I'd be happy to pay X if everything checks out" before seeing the car. If the seller wasn't happy with the offer, then nobody has to waste time to go viewing the car.

AltAccount

The OP may even have said "I'll pay you X if everything works out" and the seller replied "well, that's lower than I wanted to take, but come and see it and we can talk about price then"...

corktina

i get ticked off by "buyers" who aren't serious enough to come see the car..had two emails just yesterday, replied to both heard nothing more. I'd realy only take serious a guy who came to see the car ,i wont "pre-negotitate" the price .

cyrusdvirus

corktina wrote: »

i get ticked off by "buyers" who aren't serious enough to come see the car..had two emails just yesterday, replied to both heard nothing more. I'd realy only take serious a guy who came to see the car ,i wont "pre-negotitate" the price .

But would you give out the reg if asked??

lifer_sean

corktina wrote: »

i wont "pre-negotitate" the price .

In general I'd agree, but what if the potential buyer is travelling say 120 miles to view the car ? Would it not be reasonable to let them know where they stand before they travel ?

I sometimes give a final price in that situation (with an accurate description of the car), but they had better not re-open the haggling when they arrive. I'd then tell them they knew the price before they left home.

On the original topic, I wouldn't have any problem with providing the reg or any other info to enable background checks to be made. Unless the buyer had annoyed me for some reason or was obviously a timewaster. For example, if someone bid me 5500 for a 6500 euro car on the phone, I wouldn't take them seriously or provide any info.

listermint

corktina wrote: »

i get ticked off by "buyers" who aren't serious enough to come see the car..had two emails just yesterday, replied to both heard nothing more. I'd realy only take serious a guy who came to see the car ,i wont "pre-negotitate" the price .

Im pretty confident your entire sentence has nothing to do with the OPs original sentiment ...at all.


Paddy you are entirely wrong. The seller should give out the Reg is makes no difference, the whole cloning thing your selling is hilarious. You can walk out onto any road and see a golf drive by. complete nonsense.

There is no way id ever travel across the country and waste 4 odd hours of my time to view a car that i hadnt done some back ground on first. Not to mention wasting 100 Euro fuel in the process.

tankbarry

I would have to travel 1 1/2 hours to see this car. I also asked for a few pictures of the inside of the car so I could see the condition of it no answer to this question. They wouldn't tell me if it had tax. I offered money because I told them if the car checks out ok and the inside condition is ok I would be willing to pay them a fair price if I am buying a car off somebody I wont take the piss.

Tried ringing back last night no answer ?

cyrusdvirus

tankbarry wrote: »

I would have to travel 1 1/2 hours to see this car. I also asked for a few pictures of the inside of the car so I could see the condition of it no answer to this question. They wouldn't tell me if it had tax. I offered money because I told them if the car checks out ok and the inside condition is ok I would be willing to pay them a fair price if I am buying a car off somebody I wont take the piss.

Tried ringing back last night no answer ?

i'd leave it be.

Plenty other cars out there and plenty sellers who won't be idiots about it

corktina

gatecrash wrote: »

But would you give out the reg if asked??

i wouldnt hide it on the photos in the first place! it's there on all my ads

techie

tankbarry wrote: »

I would have to travel 1 1/2 hours to see this car. I also asked for a few pictures of the inside of the car so I could see the condition of it no answer to this question. They wouldn't tell me if it had tax. I offered money because I told them if the car checks out ok and the inside condition is ok I would be willing to pay them a fair price if I am buying a car off somebody I wont take the piss.

Tried ringing back last night no answer ?

Unfortunately, get used to this, there are a lot of messers out there at the moment selling cars.

corktina

tankbarry wrote: »

I would have to travel 1 1/2 hours to see this car. I also asked for a few pictures of the inside of the car so I could see the condition of it no answer to this question. They wouldn't tell me if it had tax. I offered money because I told them if the car checks out ok and the inside condition is ok I would be willing to pay them a fair price if I am buying a car off somebody I wont take the piss.

Tried ringing back last night no answer ?

sorry but i would tend not to take any buyer seriously who tries to negotiate the price without even seeing the car. All the details are in my ads, if they want to come see, I might negotiate, but I wouldn't give out a " bottom line" over the phone, because so many times people have then come to see it and offered less than my stated " bottom line"

techie

corktina wrote: »

sorry but i would tend not to take any buyer seriously who tries to negotiate the price without even seeing the car. All the details are in my ads, if they want to come see, I might negotiate, but I wouldn't give out a " bottom line" over the phone, because so many times people have then come to see it and offered less than my stated " bottom line"

Fair point, but you could give a rough price and ask the Buyer to come see it and then negotiate, I would travel to Dublin from Cork for a good car, but not until I have an idea of the cars condition and also price

corktina

listermint wrote: »

Im pretty confident your entire sentence has nothing to do with the OPs original sentiment ...at all.


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on the contrary, Im trying to get over a possible reason why the seller wasnt co-operating over the phone.He may be a dickhead, or he may think the OP is one.

Matt Simis

paddy147 wrote: »

Put it on their own car or the same make of car for illegal activities.

Lol, why waste his time with the conversation, its a Golf, the streets are littered with them. There is no rational reason for his behavior, but plenty of illegitimate ones.

Look at any US or Oz or whatever car selling site, all of them require Reg plate to be used and some require VIN too. This fear mongering is so Irish. :rolleyes:

tankbarry

sorry but i would tend not to take any buyer seriously who tries to negotiate the price without even seeing the car. All the details are in my ads, if they want to come see, I might negotiate, but I wouldn't give out a " bottom line" over the phone, because so many times people have then come to see it and offered less than my stated " bottom line"

I talked about the price because I was not travelling to see the car unless the seller knew what I would be willing to pay for it. I wasnt going to waste my time or his. He knew my best offer if everything was ok I think its a fair way to do it we all know where we stand. And also all information was not in the ad that's why I wanted the reg so I could check all information

Henry Ford III

If I'm selling a car the potential buyer will know the reg. from the pic. in my ad.

I won't get into haggling before a viewing - if the buyer is genuine and interested in or around the price it's simply not an issue for the phone or email.

Checking the car and it's service history is best done at the viewing. If it all adds up then data check, and only then is a small bit of haggling timely.

p.s. If someone called me up and lowballed my car without even seeing it I wouldn't take them seriously.

the culture of deference

I am trying to buy a 2nd car at the moment.

The main problem I have is in the questions that I ask, at least half the sellers hang up on me and tell me to stop wasting their f**kin time.

When did you buy the car?
Why are you selling the car?

Do you have the log book?

Do you have 2 keys + card?
Do you have ID and is your name on the log book?

NCT?

Tax?
Fuel consumption?
Tyre condition?
Is there a Warranty

• Has there been any mechanical work done to it?
• What is the mileage again? (Refer back to the clock)
• When was the last full service carried out, and by whom?
• Do you have full service history records – FSH
• When was the timing belt / chain done?
• Does the VIN number match that in the log book.

Then I explain that the next questions are legal questions

• Has this car ever been
• Crashed?
• Stolen?
• Cat C or D repaired

Was the car first registered in Ireland/was it imported?



Now after this I will ask for the reg, do a full check on car and only after that will I go to see it.

tankbarry

p.s. If someone called me up and lowballed my car without even seeing it I wouldn't take them seriously

I gave them a fair offer car was down for 1500 I offered 1150 it had no tax, 3 months nct left and really needed a good clean.

Jimbob 83

When i bought my last car the owner could barely spare 20 minutes to let me see it and go for a spin before rushing off after we came all the way from galway to dublin and when i actually bought the car he was complaining i didnt have a receipt pre filled out (20 seconds work ffs) and had some BS story about his mate suddenly wanting to buy the car for 500 euros more

Personally as i was so simple to deal with it left a sour taste in my mouth but the car was right so

Don't let a bad seller or someone with a **** attitude put you off a good car

techie

the culture of deference wrote: »

I am trying to buy a 2nd car at the moment.

The main problem I have is in the questions that I ask, at least half the sellers hang up on me and tell me to stop wasting their f**kin time.

When did you buy the car?
Why are you selling the car?

Do you have the log book?

Do you have 2 keys + card?
Do you have ID and is your name on the log book?

NCT?

Tax?
Fuel consumption?
Tyre condition?
Is there a Warranty

• Has there been any mechanical work done to it?
• What is the mileage again? (Refer back to the clock)
• When was the last full service carried out, and by whom?
• Do you have full service history records – FSH
• When was the timing belt / chain done?
• Does the VIN number match that in the log book.

Then I explain that the next questions are legal questions

• Has this car ever been
• Crashed?
• Stolen?
• Cat C or D repaired

Was the car first registered in Ireland/was it imported?



Now after this I will ask for the reg, do a full check on car and only after that will I go to see it.

No offence, but this is a bit over the top, to be fair.

Anan1

techie wrote: »

No offence, but this is a bit over the top, to be fair.

Asking whether there's a warranty might be (i'm assuming it's a private sale), but all the other questions seem reasonable to me.

techie

Anan1 wrote: »

Asking whether there's a warranty might be (i'm assuming it's a private sale), but all the other questions seem reasonable to me.

Ok, but once you have the Reg, a quick History check can be carried out from any of a numbers of sites and most of the Info he is asking for can be got?

djimi

techie wrote: »

No offence, but this is a bit over the top, to be fair.

The only thing over the top are the first two questions; where the seller bought the car is irrelevant and why they are selling it is none of the buyers business. The rest is fair enough imo and a genuine seller will have no problem answering them. I would always do a history check on a car before I buy, but if anything that comes back in the history check differs from what the seller has told me then alarm bells ring straight away about the seller.

Anan1

techie wrote: »

Ok, but once you have the Reg, a quick History check can be carried out from any of a numbers of sites and most of the Info he is asking for can be got?

A lot of the important stuff (service history & condition) can only be got from the owner. Also, the seller's attitude towards the questions will tell you a lot about themselves, and therefore by extension about the car.

corktina

techie wrote: »

Fair point, but you could give a rough price and ask the Buyer to come see it and then negotiate, I would travel to Dublin from Cork for a good car, but not until I have an idea of the cars condition and also price

the price is on the ad surely (I would not even phone an ad with no price given!

corktina

the culture of deference wrote: »

I am trying to buy a 2nd car at the moment.

The main problem I have is in the questions that I ask, at least half the sellers hang up on me and tell me to stop wasting their f**kin time.

When did you buy the car?
Why are you selling the car?

Do you have the log book?

Do you have 2 keys + card?
Do you have ID and is your name on the log book?

NCT?

Tax?
Fuel consumption?
Tyre condition?
Is there a Warranty

• Has there been any mechanical work done to it?
• What is the mileage again? (Refer back to the clock)
• When was the last full service carried out, and by whom?
• Do you have full service history records – FSH
• When was the timing belt / chain done?
• Does the VIN number match that in the log book.

Then I explain that the next questions are legal questions

• Has this car ever been
• Crashed?
• Stolen?
• Cat C or D repaired

Was the car first registered in Ireland/was it imported?



Now after this I will ask for the reg, do a full check on car and only after that will I go to see it.

wow" no wonder they hang up ! so would I...the time to ask those questions is during the viewing.

corktina

tankbarry wrote: »

I gave them a fair offer car was down for 1500 I offered 1150 it had no tax, 3 months nct left and really needed a good clean.

you wanted 350 of the asking price without even seeing it?:rolleyes:


what an eye opener this thread is!

Anan1

corktina wrote: »

wow" no wonder they hang up ! so would I...the time to ask those questions is during the viewing.

Eh, no. The time to ask those questions is on the phone. Viewing a car without having ascertained the basics is likely to be a waste of time for both parties.

djimi

corktina wrote: »

you wanted 350 of the asking price without even seeing it?:rolleyes:


what an eye opener this thread is!

Depends on how closely the asking price reflects the car. You get some plank of a seller chancing his arm looking for €1500 for a car thats worth a grand then of course your going to ask about the asking price over the phone; if similar cars are have an asking price of €1150 then why shouldnt the OP try to negotiate the same with the seller before travelling to see the car? As a seller wouldnt you prefer to know what you were dealing with before committing to make the trip?

djimi

corktina wrote: »

wow" no wonder they hang up ! so would I...the time to ask those questions is during the viewing.

You seem to be of the opinion that sellers want to waste their time travelling to look at cars without knowing in advance whether or not the car is worth travelling to see, or whether the seller is willing to be flexible or if he is going to stick ridgetly to their asking price. Why is it that you feel this way?

sunnysoutheast

corktina wrote: »

the culture of deference wrote: »

I am trying to buy a 2nd car at the moment.

The main problem I have is in the questions that I ask, at least half the sellers hang up on me and tell me to stop wasting their f**kin time.

When did you buy the car?
Why are you selling the car?

Do you have the log book?

Do you have 2 keys + card?
Do you have ID and is your name on the log book?

NCT?

Tax?
Fuel consumption?
Tyre condition?
Is there a Warranty

• Has there been any mechanical work done to it?
• What is the mileage again? (Refer back to the clock)
• When was the last full service carried out, and by whom?
• Do you have full service history records – FSH
• When was the timing belt / chain done?
• Does the VIN number match that in the log book.

Then I explain that the next questions are legal questions

• Has this car ever been
• Crashed?
• Stolen?
• Cat C or D repaired

Was the car first registered in Ireland/was it imported?



Now after this I will ask for the reg, do a full check on car and only after that will I go to see it.

wow" no wonder they hang up ! so would I...the time to ask those questions is during the viewing.

I'd actually require written answers to at least some of these questions. Your only defence in a private sale is deliberate misrepresentation and this provides a record.

Failure to carry out due diligence is the root cause of many of the "I bought a car but....." threads on this forum.

If a seller is evasive then one can draw your own conclusions about the quality of the car.

Henry Ford III

djimi wrote: »

Depends on how closely the asking price reflects the car.....

Spot on, but nobody can call this with any accuracy without actually viewing the vehicle.

Anan1

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Spot on, but nobody can call this with any accuracy without actually viewing the vehicle.

It is often possible to get a very good idea of what a car's like over the phone, but it takes experience and it's not 100% foolproof.

tankbarry

you wanted 350 of the asking price without even seeing it?

I thought the price I offered was a fair price thats why I offered 350 less then the asking price. If you read the previous posts its the price I am willing to pay if the car checks out ok and I am happy with it. Im not waisting my time or there's.

pred racer

the culture of deference wrote: »

I am trying to buy a 2nd car at the moment.

The main problem I have is in the questions that I ask, at least half the sellers hang up on me and tell me to stop wasting their f**kin time.

When did you buy the car?
Why are you selling the car?

Do you have the log book?

Do you have 2 keys + card?
Do you have ID and is your name on the log book?

NCT?

Tax?
Fuel consumption?
Tyre condition?
Is there a Warranty

• Has there been any mechanical work done to it?
• What is the mileage again? (Refer back to the clock)
• When was the last full service carried out, and by whom?
• Do you have full service history records – FSH
• When was the timing belt / chain done?
• Does the VIN number match that in the log book.

Then I explain that the next questions are legal questions

• Has this car ever been
• Crashed?
• Stolen?
• Cat C or D repaired

Was the car first registered in Ireland/was it imported?



Now after this I will ask for the reg, do a full check on car and only after that will I go to see it.

Ive managed to buy cars for the last 25 years (some even before motorcheck etc were around:eek:) without asking most of this stuff, its just a car ffs

djimi

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Spot on, but nobody can call this with any accuracy without actually viewing the vehicle.

Not 100%, but as I said if the seller is some clown who is asking for €1500 for a car that at best would be barely worth a grand, then I dont see the harm in saying to them that there are any number of the same car available for €500 less and are they willing to move on their asking price. You might get him down to €1200 and discover that the car is only worth a grand on inspection, but the car wouldnt even be worth viewing at the original asking price.

Anan1

pred racer wrote: »

Ive managed to buy cars for the last 25 years (some even before motorcheck etc were around:eek:) without asking most of this stuff, its just a car ffs

And i'd say 90 plus % of buyers are the same. As with drink driving, most of the time it works out grand.