Ould Vectra - replacement parts

rampantbunny

Hi all.

Really hoping someone can help me with this.

I've a 00 reg Opel Vectra. Just replaced the engine in it (2nd time) but I'm told by mechanic that I should get a new clutch disc as the one that's in it won't last much longer. This car has drained my wallet on numerous occasions and I just want it as a runabout for another 6months\year so fixing it cheaply is my main aim.

The garage will just go out and buy whatever is handiest for them whatever the cost (they've got form) so I want to get this myself. I'm in the UK some weekends and easy for me to get a UK part and just bring it home with me.

Does anyone know what details I'd need to source such a part? I've had a look at a garage website already and there are options on the options so am confused.
I've an Opel Part number but problem is getting something that replaces this.
Nothing I've seen so far says "this part will replace the Opel part number 12345..." etc.

Any help, greatly appreciated.

cletus

Have a look on some of the parts websites like micksgarage.ie. theres usually an option to put in your reg so the website matches parts to your specific car, making it pretty foolproof.

It will return spurious parts, so maybe do a quick google on the brand names to see which company you'd like to go with, i.e. which gets good reviews etc

rampantbunny

cletus wrote: »

Have a look on some of the parts websites like micksgarage.ie. theres usually an option to put in your reg so the website matches parts to your specific car, making it pretty foolproof.

It will return spurious parts, so maybe do a quick google on the brand names to see which company you'd like to go with, i.e. which gets good reviews etc

Hi Cletus (that is a class handle)...
I did have a look on that site but I get asked something like "we've detected 2 versions of that car" - which makes sense since I replaced the engine about 6 years back and re-registered the new serial.
So 2 different engine types to choose from. To make it more difficult, I've a 3rd engine just installed...god knows if that is the same as either of the 2 previous ones.
In any case, if I choose one engine I get a certain parts list, choose the other engine and the list changes. So it looks like the parts change with the engine. I would've thought the parts needed to suit the gear box\clutch end rather than the engine...especially if the replacement engines had the same model numbers (X16XEL).

On other sites you get a list of parts to suit a particular chassis, nothing about an engine serial.
That's my predicament..what is the correct data to use when selecting this part...the engine serial, the chassis number or something else entirely?

wonski

rampantbunny wrote: »

Hi Cletus (that is a class handle)...
I did have a look on that site but I get asked something like "we've detected 2 versions of that car" - which makes sense since I replaced the engine about 6 years back and re-registered the new serial.
So 2 different engine types to choose from. To make it more difficult, I've a 3rd engine just installed...god knows if that is the same as either of the 2 previous ones.
In any case, if I choose one engine I get a certain parts list, choose the other engine and the list changes. So it looks like the parts change with the engine. I would've thought the parts needed to suit the gear box\clutch end rather than the engine...especially if the replacement engines had the same model numbers (X16XEL).

On other sites you get a list of parts to suit a particular chassis, nothing about an engine serial.
That's my predicament..what is the correct data to use when selecting this part...the engine serial, the chassis number or something else entirely?

Make/model/engine capacity/type, and very important date(year/month).
Registration plate isn't always correct. Mine(from Scenic) comes up on micksgarage as Clio??? And no-it's not cloned/stolen or anything. And it never was Clio afaik.

rampantbunny

wonski wrote: »

Make/model/engine capacity/type, and very important date(year/month).
Registration plate isn't always correct. Mine(from Scenic) comes up on micksgarage as Clio??? And no-it's not cloned/stolen or anything. And it never was Clio afaik.

Yea, you'd want to be careful with some cars pretending to be something they're not.
The car I'm looking to fix is pretending to be a 'car'...but in fact it's obviously a spanner it has spent so much time in the garage :mad:

I hear what you are saying re. make, model, capacity etc, but when different sites are quoting different things as measures of suitability then it gets a bit confusing.
Thanks for the reponse.

colm_mcm

Supplying your parts isn't the best idea.

rampantbunny

colm_mcm wrote: »

Supplying your parts isn't the best idea.

Hi Colm...that's advice coming from the right place, but I learned a while back to shop around.
Provided I do my homework, what's wrong with supplying my own parts? Is it that the garage can turn around if something goes wrong and say "not our fault, you got faulty parts"?

It's a chance I'm willing to take. I've had a replacement engine put it, with new timing belt kit and more. The engine was €200. The other bits would've come to more than that if I let the garage get the parts. I found the parts myself on Ebay UK (was over there at the time), and saved myself over €150. They were OEM from Germany.

I'd like to do the same with the clutch disc if someone can give me guidance. Any takers?

martyc5674

If I was looking for one I'd at least be armed with the engine code.
Sometimes a disk will even still be different if taken from a kit... However the complete kit may work fine( my assumption is your just looking for disk)

Can you get your hands on the disk??
It's the only sure way as you don't know what kit is already in there.
Eg a Luk disk may not fit a sachs kit however both might fit your engine gearbox combo.....
Marty.

rampantbunny

martyc5674 wrote: »

If I was looking for one I'd at least be armed with the engine code.
Sometimes a disk will even still be different if taken from a kit... However the complete kit may work fine( my assumption is your just looking for disk)

Can you get your hands on the disk??
It's the only sure way as you don't know what kit is already in there.
Eg a Luk disk may not fit a sachs kit however both might fit your engine gearbox combo.....
Marty.

Hi Marty, yup, looking for the disc on its own if possible.

The existing clutch parts are all original so the existing clutch kit should be manufacturer spec. Therefore I shouldn't have an issue getting a disc mismatch I would have thought.

If I got to the disc itself and just got a straight manufacturer replacement for it, this would guarantee a proper fitting with the kit, but there's still the question of whether this would gel with the engine..as search results indicate there are 2 (maybe more) possible engine variations, and for these variations there are different kits and discs to choose from (it mostly boils down to a size of 200mm vs 205mm but that seems a significant difference).

Strangely enough, when the last engine was fitted no mechanic said anything about the clutch kit not suiting the engine so is it even an issue I wonder.

I've asked the question of Mick that works in a Garage (website for parts if you can work that out) and will see what they say. In the meantime I'll call to the garage tomorrow evening and roll up the sleeves. Thanks for the advice.

rampantbunny

Managed to get the engine code this evening (trainee mechanic hadn't a clue what I was asking for, bless him).. anyway its X16XEL 20G 12900.

The clutch disc is also in my possession, but no discernible part number except LUK with a "648 12" or "577 07" on opposites sides of the disc - those numbers don't return much on google either.
The disc is 200mm in diameter, with 14 teeth.

All that information and I still don't know what kit out there would suit. If anyone has an idea let me know.

wonski

rampantbunny wrote: »

Managed to get the engine code this evening (trainee mechanic hadn't a clue what I was asking for, bless him).. anyway its X16XEL 20G 12900.

The clutch disc is also in my possession, but no discernible part number except LUK with a "648 12" or "577 07" on opposites sides of the disc - those numbers don't return much on google either.
The disc is 200mm in diameter, with 14 teeth.

All that information and I still don't know what kit out there would suit. If anyone has an idea let me know.

There you go:

http://www.micksgarage.com/transmission-parts/clutch-kits/opel/vectra/vectra-b/1995-2002/1.6-i-16v/5166/

The only differences are one is for the one with central slave cylider, while the two others without. Other than that 200mm/14teeth.

martyc5674

Here's a cheap one on flea bay
Item: 110924344426

Checked the firstline website and it reckoned that engine code had a 205mm disk fitted.

Anyway the kits are cheap.
If your slave bearing looks good go with the QH otherwise the one I linked on eBay will surely do you a year or two. ( more if u don't thrash it)
Marty.

Edit: they both 2 piece... Get the qh

rampantbunny

martyc5674 wrote: »

Here's a cheap one on flea bay
Item: 110924344426

Checked the firstline website and it reckoned that engine code had a 205mm disk fitted.

Anyway the kits are cheap.
If your slave bearing looks good go with the QH otherwise the one I linked on eBay will surely do you a year or two. ( more if u don't thrash it)
Marty.

Edit: they both 2 piece... Get the qh

Hi Martyc5674. Thanks for that. Was in the garage last night and apparently the gearbox bell housing should have a stamp on it to indicate what type of transmission the car has which can be F13, F16, F17, F18, F23 - have ruled some of the out because the reverse key is orientated a different way in some, but there's still some gearbox types in the running (apparently the VIN number doesn't contain any information that helps work this out either).
Anyway, wouldn't you know it, there is no stamp on the bell-housing so that was a dead end.
Luckily for me there was guy there that sells National parts..he took a look...couldn't work out what was required (i was almost glad because it meant I wasn't a complete dumbass), but said he'd get 2 or 3 types and we'd try them out. And they'd be cheap enough.

Just to note that you said the engine took a 205mm disc according to Firstline, but the ebay link was a 200mm disc, plus the QH disc.
If I have success I'll update this. In the meantime, thanks for doing that legwork.

martyc5674

rampantbunny wrote: »

martyc5674 wrote: »

Just to note that you said the engine took a 205mm disc according to Firstline, but the ebay link was a 200mm disc, plus the QH disc.
If I have success I'll update this. In the meantime, thanks for doing that legwork.

Yes they are different diameters.
At a guess both kits may well work as complete kits but parts may not be interchangeable from one kit to another.
You want to buy as few parts as possible so go with the 200mm disk.

Marty.