Dublin bus routes that do not serve Dublin.

joegriffinjnr

Routes 184 and 185 spring to mind, are there any more? Would it not be better for Bus Eireann to operate these services. Would free up a bus or two for Dublin.

KD345

joegriffinjnr wrote: »

Routes 184 and 185 spring to mind, are there any more? Would it not be better for Bus Eireann to operate these services. Would free up a bus or two for Dublin.

Why would it be better if Bus Eireann operated these routes?

joegriffinjnr

Bus Eireann normally operate services outside Dublin. They operate a local service in Balbriggan so why not Bray?

KD345

joegriffinjnr wrote: »

Bus Eireann normally operate services outside Dublin. They operate a local service in Balbriggan so why not Bray?

As it stands, I would say it's probably better that they're operated by Dublin Bus. There is more flexibility between services with the same operator such as the fare structure, the use of prepaid tickets and familiarity with stops and vehicles. Of course, if all this was to become standard across the board then it wouldn't matter who operated the services.

joegriffinjnr

Good point. Are these services operated from Bray depo or are they interworked with the 145,s to save dead running?

monument

So what if it's not in Co Dublin?

Bray is part of the continuous urban area of Dublin. Ok so there's a 1.4kmgao where the houses have very large garden and there's still land banks of farm land, but even if there was no houses in that distance, it's not much of a distance.

It's closer to the main body of Dublin than half of north Co Dublin is.

Conway635

The 184 was split off the 84 - which originally used to have different legs, just like the 65 still does today. Some 84s went to Kilcoole, a very few went to Newcastle, some went to Delgany, a few to Willow Grove, and once a week there was a service to Newtownmountkennedy.

The Delgany/Willow Grove/Newtownmountkennedy section got spun off into its own route sometime in the late 80s or early 90s, but it is still operated from Bray (outstation of Donnybrook). Interestingly, in the 1970s timetable, there were several services on Sundays which operated only between Greystones and Delgany or Newcastle - very far from touching Dublin!

The 84, along with the 44, were originally operated by The Wicklow Hills Bus Company based in Enniskerry, the last independent operator to be absorbed by the Dublin United Tramway Company (DUTC), itself a private commercial business, but which had been given powers in the 1932 Road Traffic Act to compulsorily acquire independent bus concerns. The owners of Wicklow Hills did not wish to be absorbed, and fought it to the end, I'm told.

The DUTC network of tram and bus routes essentially became the Dublin City Services of CIE when nationalisation happened after WW2, while the bus services of the GSR (Great Southern Railway) became the CIE "Provincial" network (what is now Bus Eireann).

Interestingly the 185 (originally called the 85) is one of very few bus routes to change hands between the two operators. It had been acquired by the GSR from another Enniskerry independent, and after operating it for a while it was passed to the DUTC, as it was felt that it could be operated more efficiently as part of their network.

Just to complete the picture, the 29/31/32/33 and their associated suffix routes were neither DUTC or GSR - they were operated until 1959 by the Great Northern Railways (GNR) from a depot at Abercorn Road (beside current day Docklands Station).

Right, history lesson over . . .

C635

The_Wrecker

joegriffinjnr wrote: »

Good point. Are these services operated from Bray depo or are they interworked with the 145,s to save dead running?

One 184 is based in Bray the others come from DBK in the morning and return after final runs late. The 185 is with the 84 bill and Bray operated.

joegriffinjnr

One 184 is based in Bray the others come from DBK in the morning and return after final runs late. The 185 is with the 84 bill and Bray operated.

Does the Bray based one overnight in Bray? If so I presume that this is operated by a Bray driver? Am I right in thinking a Bray based driver could possibley never have to visit Donnybrook? Pm me your new facebook details BTW. :P

joegriffinjnr

joegriffinjnr wrote: »

Routes 184 and 185 spring to mind, are there any more? Would it not be better for Bus Eireann to operate these services. Would free up a bus or two for Dublin.

The 70 goes to Dunboyne.

The_Wrecker

joegriffinjnr wrote: »

Does the Bray based one overnight in Bray? If so I presume that this is operated by a Bray driver? Am I right in thinking a Bray based driver could possibley never have to visit Donnybrook? Pm me your new facebook details BTW. :P

One of the 145B drivers does a Bray/Bray duty for the week.

joegriffinjnr

The 70 goes to Dunboyne.

.. but starts in Dublin.

joegriffinjnr

One of the 145B drivers does a Bray/Bray duty for the week.

Does He/She go back to normal operations from Donnybrook then?

joegriffinjnr

joegriffinjnr wrote: »

.. but starts in Dublin.

Ah, I get you. Routes that don't serve Dublin at all... didn't think there were any.

joegriffinjnr

I can only think of the Wicklow ones. 184/185

The Idyll Race

Conway635 wrote: »

The 184 was split off the 84 - which originally used to have different legs, just like the 65 still does today. Some 84s went to Kilcoole, a very few went to Newcastle, some went to Delgany, a few to Willow Grove, and once a week there was a service to Newtownmountkennedy.

The Delgany/Willow Grove/Newtownmountkennedy section got spun off into its own route sometime in the late 80s or early 90s, but it is still operated from Bray (outstation of Donnybrook). Interestingly, in the 1970s timetable, there were several services on Sundays which operated only between Greystones and Delgany or Newcastle - very far from touching Dublin!

The 84, along with the 44, were originally operated by The Wicklow Hills Bus Company based in Enniskerry, the last independent operator to be absorbed by the Dublin United Tramway Company (DUTC), itself a private commercial business, but which had been given powers in the 1932 Road Traffic Act to compulsorily acquire independent bus concerns. The owners of Wicklow Hills did not wish to be absorbed, and fought it to the end, I'm told.

The DUTC network of tram and bus routes essentially became the Dublin City Services of CIE when nationalisation happened after WW2, while the bus services of the GSR (Great Southern Railway) became the CIE "Provincial" network (what is now Bus Eireann).

Interestingly the 185 (originally called the 85) is one of very few bus routes to change hands between the two operators. It had been acquired by the GSR from another Enniskerry independent, and after operating it for a while it was passed to the DUTC, as it was felt that it could be operated more efficiently as part of their network.

Just to complete the picture, the 29/31/32/33 and their associated suffix routes were neither DUTC or GSR - they were operated until 1959 by the Great Northern Railways (GNR) from a depot at Abercorn Road (beside current day Docklands Station).

Right, history lesson over . . .

C635

Nice one! More please..

thomasj

The 184 and 185 start at bray station which is inside the Dublin border.

Edit: sorry I pushed the border down a bit more south that it should be.

Ill go off and eat humble pie now!

Cookie_Monster

Bus Stop No. 4416 is on Dublin border and served by the 185 according to the website. The road is the border so it could be considered in Dublin

Carawaystick

the 33a goes from Swords to Balbriggan, while the 33b goes from Swords to Portrane

KD345

Carawaystick wrote: »

the 33a goes from Swords to Balbriggan, while the 33b goes from Swords to Portrane

They're all in Dublin.

stehyl15

nobodys mentioned the 66/a/b/n/x and the 67/n/x

The Idyll Race

stehyl15 wrote: »

nobodys mentioned the 66/a/b/n/x and the 67/n/x

Could it be that they all without exception go to and from Dublin?

dublinman1990

stehyl15 wrote: »

nobodys mentioned the 66/a/b/n/x and the 67/n/x

They all start or finish in Dublin.

The 66/a/b & 67 starts/finishes from Merrion Square.

The 66n & 67n starts/finishes from Westmoreland Street.

The 66x & 67x starts/finishes from UCD Belfield.