Visa Application

Padlock69 · 30-08-2012 9:22am #1

Hi,

Heading to Florida to complete my flight training in October. As part of the VISA application I need to provide documentation that shows that I intend to return to Ireland after my visa expires in a year.
I'm currently permanently employed and can get a letter from HR to show this, but since I'll be quitting my job to head over will this document prove anything? Anyone got any other suggestion as to what docs I should bring to the embassay?

LeftBase · 30-08-2012 10:01am

Padlock69 wrote: »

Hi,

Heading to Florida to complete my flight training in October. As part of the VISA application I need to provide documentation that shows that I intend to return to Ireland after my visa expires in a year.
I'm currently permanently employed and can get a letter from HR to show this, but since I'll be quitting my job to head over will this document prove anything? Anyone got any other suggestion as to what docs I should bring to the embassay?

When you say "complete your flight training" what do you mean?

Padlock69 · 30-08-2012 10:12am

I got my PPL in Florida last year, heading back over to do my instrument, commercial, etc.

LeftBase · 30-08-2012 11:34am

Padlock69 wrote: »

I got my PPL in Florida last year, heading back over to do my instrument, commercial, etc.

If that is with a view to getting a job in Europe you may be better served staying here to do it. People agree and disagree over this but I know an awful lot of guys who did their training in the states because of finance and weather only to be stonewalled by airlines here. Some people go as far as to say that if you want a job in Europe you MUST train here.

Two carriers straight out told a friend of mine(who I met when he was more or less re-doing all his flying here) that they "do not hire applicants who have trained outside of the JAA countries". I wont name the two carriers, but they would be familiar sights at most Irish airports.

Padlock69 · 30-08-2012 12:32pm

Thats great, so I'll take it you can't answer my actual question.

phonypony · 30-08-2012 1:37pm

You could bring proof of any assets you may have, car, house, any major recent purchases you've made, etc. They may not even be asked for though.

coylemj · 30-08-2012 3:46pm

Padlock69 wrote: »

Thats great, so I'll take it you can't answer my actual question.

You don't deserve any answers with that attitude.

LeftBase · 31-08-2012 9:43am

Padlock69 wrote: »

Thats great, so I'll take it you can't answer my actual question.

No but I can save you the trouble......

Padlock69 · 31-08-2012 10:53am

LeftBase wrote: »

No but I can save you the trouble......

I'm sorry you're not getting much work these days as an instructor in Weston but theres no need for this fear mongering.

Padlock69 · 31-08-2012 10:54am

coylemj wrote: »

You don't deserve any answers with that attitude.

There are enough rumours and hearsay provided in this business when its asked for that theres no need for it when it isn't asked for.

LeftBase · 31-08-2012 12:44pm

Padlock69 wrote: »

I'm sorry you're not getting much work these days as an instructor in Weston but theres no need for this fear mongering.

Actually I'm employed as a pilot in an airline and have no over bearing loyalty to my flight school in that way. All I can say to that is that you will have no work given the path you plan on taking

There are enough rumours and hearsay provided in this business when its asked for that theres no need for it when it isn't asked for.

Given your attitude I wont beat around the bush. The fact you plan to go CPL/IR in the States tells me that you didn't do much research on what the market is like here(or there). All you will get out of training in the states is the chance to work there for the regionals when you have 1000-1500 hours under your belt. If you get your CPL/IR even with one of the JAA schools there it is very little chance airlines here will not look at you without some type of conversion or pseudo conversion training done in Europe as there are issues with how those schools work in the states(the GPS culture). That could well add 50-100 hours to your bill.

In the past you could go stateside and get your CPL/IR, then walk into the IAA and book a test to get it all legit here....however that isnt the case anymore. A lot of authorities will not stand over the training provided over there and put their stamp on your ticket.

Airlines will turn you away pretty sharpish too at any rate.

I mentioned the lad I met before....he did it all in the states in 10 weeks and came back here to be told like I said "Sorry we dont hire people trained outside the JAA countries" He explained it was a JAA accredited school on the phone and was told that as far as X-airlines was concerned if it was in the states it was FAA standards applied. So he had to redo his CPL/IR and pay for it here. He was quite embarrassed when people told him that these issues were well known problems for years. That's not the only story like that I've heard.

Look at the end of that day I'm giving you a head's up. You can ignore me as seems your want.....but in a year's time when everyone is putting the proverbial "dunce hat" on you....you'll know what I mean.

tippilot · 31-08-2012 1:09pm

The above is breathtakingly wrong, ignorant and in no way related to the OP's original question.

Get your piece of paper wherever is financially viable for yourself. It's the same piece of paper you'll get anywhere. Take that from an airline Captain working in Europe who trained there. There were no doors closed in my face and there will be none closed in yours either. There are plenty like me and there will be plenty more like you.

Regarding your Visa, provide proof of the requirement to complete your MCC here. That will do it.

Good luck. Enjoy it over there. You'll meet none of the dim witted superiority complexes you find here.

LeftBase · 31-08-2012 1:17pm

tippilot wrote: »

The above is breathtakingly wrong, ignorant and in no way related to the OP's original question.

Get your piece of paper wherever is financially viable for yourself. It's the same piece of paper you'll get anywhere. Take that from an airline Captain working in Europe who trained there. There were no doors closed in my face and there will be none closed in yours either. There are plenty like me and there will be plenty more like you.

I'm sorry but you are totally wrong. Your attitude is typical of older guys who trained there in the past. In the past it was an option but there have been too many faults and issues exposed in US JAA schools recently for it to be taken as a given that a licence will be viewed on equal terms. There is a whole load of guys slogging away to get up to the mark in schools around Europe having trained in the US.

tippilot · 31-08-2012 1:22pm

LeftBase wrote: »

I'm sorry but you are totally wrong. Your attitude is typical of older guys who trained there in the past. In the past it was an option but there have been too many faults and issues exposed in US JAA schools recently for it to be taken as a given that a licence will be viewed on equal terms. There is a whole load of guys slogging away to get up to the mark in schools around Europe having trained in the US.

I'm barely into my 30's. My last stint there was barely 5 years ago. I'm sitting happily in the left seat. Sound like it hampered my career progress??
I sit beside plenty of FO's who trained there.

Move on old chap. This is a thread related to a visa application. If you don't have any helpful info, I suggest finding an audience that actually finds you dithering musings worthwhile.

LeftBase · 31-08-2012 1:33pm

tippilot wrote: »

I'm barely into my 30's. My last stint there was barely 5 years ago. I'm sitting happily in the left seat. Sound like it hampered my career progress??
I sit beside plenty of FO's who trained there.

Move on old chap. This is a thread related to a visa application. If you don't have any helpful info, I suggest finding an audience that actually finds you dithering musings worthwhile.

All I can say is that flies totally in the face of recruitment policy in most airlines. You might be confusing outsourcing by European schools like PTC and FIT.

tippilot · 31-08-2012 1:48pm

I am not a product of outsourcing. Neither are many of the FO's I encounter. My school was an American based FAA and JAA accredited organisation.

Your info is wrong and fairly typical of the attitude I encountered 5 years ago among Ireland's unenlightened training communities. However, I did not encounter it in the HR policies of airlines.

Again, this is a request for info on a visa application. Lets stop dragging this thread on an unwanted tangent.

globemaster1986 · 31-08-2012 3:37pm

LeftBase you are talking through your h*le in fairness! I know plenty of guys trained in the states employed in recent years in JAA land. Guys who trained at JAA schools and others at FAA schools who converted. This "GPS culture" you speak of is complete bull. I can tell you I was always denied use of the GPS for Nav work. When it comes to Hours building, well thats up to the student but thats the same as here. As for standards, theory wise the JAA standard is higher but under the FAA system there is far more emphasis placed on the practical side, ie actual flying, so I would argue handling skills may be better after FAA CPL/IR level!

LeftBase · 31-08-2012 6:28pm

globemaster1986 wrote: »

LeftBase you are talking through your h*le in fairness! I know plenty of guys trained in the states employed in recent years in JAA land. Guys who trained at JAA schools and others at FAA schools who converted. This "GPS culture" you speak of is complete bull. I can tell you I was always denied use of the GPS for Nav work. When it comes to Hours building, well thats up to the student but thats the same as here. As for standards, theory wise the JAA standard is higher but under the FAA system there is far more emphasis placed on the practical side, ie actual flying, so I would argue handling skills may be better after FAA CPL/IR level!

I did some homework there and know of at least 8 guys told in exact words "we do not hire people trained outside of the JAA coutries" and I came across many examples of people who were having to redo ratings even though they were JAA accredited to start with. That was un my own school and others. I also had several current skippers in EI and FR warn me off going to the states when I was thinking of training...make of that what you will!

globemaster1986 · 31-08-2012 6:47pm

LeftBase wrote: »

I did some homework there and know of at least 8 guys told in exact words "we do not hire people trained outside of the JAA coutries" and I came across many examples of people who were having to redo ratings even though they were JAA accredited to start with. That was un my own school and others. I also had several current skippers in EI and FR warn me off going to the states when I was thinking of training...make of that what you will!

I will because I would rather believe what I have seen with my own eyes (people I actually know) than some random on an internet forum who spouts that rubbish! Funny that you mention FR because they happen to take on a lot of guys who trained in the states, know many myself as I'm sure some other posters here do.

tippilot · 31-08-2012 7:04pm

I think he's failing to grasp the fact that many American based schools are administered by the CAA and it's students are issued licences and ratings from Gatwick. It's a basic lack of understanding of the system.

There are also those who go down the FAA route and convert their ratings on this side of the water.

On so many levels he's wrong.

Anyway...that visa application...where were we....

Visa Application

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