RISE Rally covered by TheJournal.ie

Sparks

TheJournal.ie put up an article today about the RISE rally:

Speaking to TheJournal.ie David Wilkinson of the Hunting Association Ireland said:

What we are concerned about at the moment is the Animal Welfare Act that is coming down the line. Minister Simon Coveney has committed to us that there will not be any measures in the Act that will prevent hunting in Ireland.
However, the animal rights groups have picked up on this and are lugging hard to have certain activities banned under the act. The demonstration we held at the weekend had a huge turn out – so we are just reminding people that we are still here and will continue to campaign to ensure that the commitment given by government will be upheld.

Not all the comments are supportive though, in fact most are fairly negative (hint, hint). For example:

Senator John Whelan wrote:

Stag hunting does not have its roots or traditions in rural Ireland but is a throw-back to Mad King George and our colonial past. It is not pursued, desired or missed by country people or rural Ireland but an elitist and cruel pursuit previously practised in one part of County Meath – so who exactly is missing out here? As someone who comes from and lives in rural Ireland I find that most people are genuinely concerned and supportive of animal welfare and that includes those who like to take a shot (as my own late father did). He always cared for wildlife and treated the dogs he kept especially well. It is a mistake in my view to bundle fishing, shooting and even the regular fox hunt with the Ward Union Stag Hunt, which is if you pardon the mixed methaphor, a completely different kettle of fish. Stag hunting has no basis in rural Irish tradition; cannot by any stretch of the imagination be seen to be representative of rural Ireland or the traditional lifestyle and activities enjoyed and cherished in rural Ireland. There is NO commitment by this Government to overturn the Ward Union Hunt ban and I for one would vigorously oppose any attempt to have stag hunting re-introduced to this country.
It’s a relic of our colonial past and it’s best leave it where it is…consigned to history!!

Grizzly 45

HMMMMThe link leads me to eight intresting places to get married in Ireland or Poland!!!:D

Sparks

Ah, the joy of having multiple paste buffers. :mad:
Thanks Grizz, fixed now.

Grizzly 45

That Senator is a blithering idiot and disgrace!!
Never mind that the country is gone to the dogs,its broke,being crippled by the EU,corruption is rampant,and we are being taxed to death,and all a member of a elite ,expensive ,rest home in Kildare street for wanna bes,has beens,also rans ,ivory tower dwellers,and other world academics,whose salaries and perks we are paying for:mad::mad::mad:...
And all he is going to vigouriosly oppose is a bunch of people chasing a stag about the place????If thats all he is concerned about then it is definately time to dump the whole
Senate outside Kildare St gates and get a wrecking ball into demolish that wing of Lenister house..

Cmon people!! This is too easy to shoot this turkey down!!:rolleyes:
[And I have been trying to post this on journal.ie for the last three hours,but the site keeps freezing on my machine.:mad::mad:]

pugw

I think the senaor is talking sense! Once banning the ward union isnt the tip of the iceberg for getting stuck into every other fieldsports!

doyle61

pugw wrote: »

I think the senaor is talking sense! Once banning the ward union isnt the tip of the iceberg for getting stuck into every other fieldsports!

But that's the problem with the people who oppose field sports, they'll keep chipping away. It's mounted fox hunting, then coursing, then shooting, then fishing and then horse racing they'll come after. Whether we personally agree with or disagree with the ward union isn't the issue tbh, the issue is the actual survival of every field sport in this country. For this to happen we HAVE to take a united stance and say enough is enough, it's as simple as that I'm afraid

pugw

doyle61 wrote: »

But that's the problem with the people who oppose field sports, they'll keep chipping away. It's mounted fox hunting, then coursing, then shooting, then fishing and then horse racing they'll come after. Whether we personally agree with or disagree with the ward union isn't the issue tbh, the issue is the actual survival of every field sport in this country. For this to happen we HAVE to take a united stance and say enough is enough, it's as simple as that I'm afraid

Ya fair enough I see your point completely and I know we need to stick together. I just think that Rise was founded by wealthy vested interests in the Ward Union Hunt for one sole purpose; to save their hunt, once that was banned there wasnt a word out of Rise for ages. Basically if it had been another fieldsport up for the chop I would be sceptical as to how supportive the people behind Rise would have been!

pheasntstalker

did i not in some mag that rise are active and that all the angler groups have joined forces along with other groups conected fieldsports, have joined up under the umbrella of rise/face to oppose certain aspects of this bill? but as an op said its high time we stood up for ourselves there are supposed to be 200,000 or more of us licensed firearms holders, what to stop us from forming a group to reprasent ourselves

Sparks

pheasntstalker wrote: »

what to stop us from forming a group to reprasent ourselves

We had that...
...and we threw it away.

Mike87

pheasntstalker wrote: »

there are supposed to be 200,000 or more of us licensed firearms holders, what to stop us from forming a group to reprasent ourselves

To be fair, how many of those 200,000 are target shooters/clay shooters.

Grizzly 45

Better would be is how to convince them that they are gunowners first,target,clay,hunters etc second??And the laws that affect a disipline totally unrelated to their field will eventually affect them?

Mike87

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Better would be is how to convince them that they are gunowners first,target,clay,hunters etc second??And the laws that affect a disipline totally unrelated to their field will eventually affect them?

Well Grizzly I reckon if those groups somehow were successful in baning hunting (with a firearm) the next target would be fishermen, ferret men, terriers, lurchers, snare men etc

The only real worry for target/clay shooters would be that someone like Ahern gets into power again :mad:

ssl

If the antis go after gun ownership this will affect target/clay pigeon shooters

Grizzly 45

Exactly!Dont think these people are just anti hunting..They are anti gun ownership as well,as John Tierney has so aptly put in most of his commentary on shootings worldwide.
Can just see him licking his fat chops waiting for somthing like that to happen here!:mad::mad::(

pugw

Sparks wrote: »

We had that...
...and we threw it away.

??????? What do you mean? (sorry if im a little slow on the uptake)

Sparks

pugw wrote: »

??????? What do you mean? (sorry if im a little slow on the uptake)

I mean the FCP. It had everyone at the table - farmers, hunters, target shooters alike. And we threw it away in pursuit of court cases that haven't fixed the licencing issues they were meant to fix.

pugw

Sparks wrote: »

I mean the FCP. It had everyone at the table - farmers, hunters, target shooters alike. And we threw it away in pursuit of court cases that haven't fixed the licencing issues they were meant to fix.

Oh right sorry I never heard of them, I think the NARGC do a good job and I have found them very helpful in the past, I have also heard good things about the countryside alliance!