Irish citizenship, Immigration

Slimshadey

Hi Guys

I'm currently unemployed and want to apply for an Irish citizenship, I know the dole is a massive No No when it comes to that but I didn't take a penny from gov for 2 and half years as I'm living now with my Polish partner and minding our 7 months daughter at the moment so she is looking after the family financially.
I have worked form more than 3 three years here but unfortunately I couldn't find a job at the moment, I have been living in Ireland for more than 5 Years and had continiously resided here for the last year.
P.S the INIS still have my old passport since I applied for visa renewal in April 2010 and never gave back to me.

Thanks in advance folks and I hope to get some answers soon :-)

blueythebear

Slimshadey wrote: »

Hi Guys

I'm currently unemployed and want to apply for an Irish citizenship, I know the dole is a massive No No when it comes to that but I didn't take a penny from gov for 2 and half years as I'm living now with my Polish partner and minding our 7 months daughter at the moment so she is looking after the family financially.
I have worked form more than 3 three years here but unfortunately I couldn't find a job at the moment, I have been living in Ireland for more than 5 Years and had continiously resided here for the last year.
P.S the INIS still have my old passport since I applied for visa renewal in April 2010 and never gave back to me.

Thanks in advance folks and I hope to get some answers soon :-)

Your passport needs to show 60 months of Residency stamps in the last 8 years, including at least twelve months prior ot the application.

If the INIS still have your current passport since 2010, do you have a current residency stamp? Either way, it is worth using the services of a solicitor to make the application or sort out your current residency.

biko

I suppose you have already looked up citizeninformation page on this? Otherwise it has some good info.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_naturalisation.html

Slimshadey

blueythebear wrote: »

Your passport needs to show 60 months of Residency stamps in the last 8 years, including at least twelve months prior ot the application.

If the INIS still have your current passport since 2010, do you have a current residency stamp? Either way, it is worth using the services of a solicitor to make the application or sort out your current residency.

Thanks kindly for your reply,

Yes I have got a current residency stamp for three years until the 16 Aug 2014, I contacted my solicitor who was in charge of my Immigration and got my residency back because I had a problem with renewing it when I applied on 2010, I call him every week for the last 9 months but he seems not able to get my old passport back from INIS, maybe he wants more money after 1200 Euro that I paid, I'm not too sure!

Cheers!

Slimshadey

biko wrote: »

I suppose you have already looked up citizeninformation page on this? Otherwise it has some good info.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_naturalisation.html

Thanks a lot biko,

Yeah I had a look at that link before but my case is a bit of messed up one coz I am unemployed at the moment and took social welfare (dole) 2 and a half years ago.

Kind regards

IrishAm

Slimshadey wrote: »

Yeah I had a look at that link before but my case is a bit of messed up one coz I am unemployed at the moment and took social welfare (dole) 2 and a half years ago.

Can you become an Irish citizen if you only worked here for three years and were in receipt of social welfare benefits for the rest?

Madness, if you can.

Our man in Havana

Receipt of SW ever seems to disqualify.

IrishAm

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Receipt of SW ever seems to disqualify.

Can you prove this? I've heard of many people obtaining citizenship whilst on welfare, but I always thought they slipped the net or were given a green light due to good work in the community or some such.

People on welfare, longterm, should be automatically disqualified from obtaining citizenship. We have enough people on welfare, thank you very much, Minister Shatter.

Our man in Havana

Slipped through I would say. Maybe INIS were not checking properly.

I was talking to a solicitor that specialises in such matters and he advised me that there is absolutely no point in applying if you had ever taken SW during your time in Ireland.

ResearchWill

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Slipped through I would say. Maybe INIS were not checking properly.

I was talking to a solicitor that specialises in such matters and he advised me that there is absolutely no point in applying if you had ever taken SW during your time in Ireland.

I would say every application I saw with social welfare was refused. Not sure what the current ministers would do as I have not seen any refusals on that basis, since he took office, that of course could be because people in that situation are not applying or have avoided claiming SW as they knew it could be an issue.

The last minister would refuse for I kid you not a high paid professional with one conviction, not producing on demand a driving licence. I have seen minor RTA offences now getting approved.

IrishAm

ResearchWill wrote: »

The last minister would refuse for I kid you not a high paid professional with one conviction, not producing on demand a driving licence. I have seen minor RTA offences now getting approved.

That is equally as ridiculous as some lad who is on welfare whom has been bestowed Irish citizenship. The whole process needs to be more transparent. They also need to include a basic Irish History exam(ala America) and make sure that applicants are competent in one of the two languages of the state.

Also, according to recent Metro Eireann articles, some applicants have used it as a stepping stone into EU member states, Canada, Australia and America.

This is not right either.

Slimshadey

IrishAm wrote: »

Can you become an Irish citizen if you only worked here for three years and were in receipt of social welfare benefits for the rest?

Madness, if you can.

Dear Mr IrishAm, I'm trying to look for advice from helpful people. so please do so if you can or just leave a blank or don't comment at all.
You didn't even get the whole story right, You got it all wrong I'm afraid as far as the period of receipt of SW and my work history
I saw you taking my story as an example of mockery to make your comment look cool!!in my eyes you are very negative person and just hate everybody around you.

Thank you for reading

MadsL

IrishAm wrote: »

Can you become an Irish citizen if you only worked here for three years and were in receipt of social welfare benefits for the rest?

Madness, if you can.

So people who work in Ireland are paying PRSI for what purpose exactly?

IrishAm wrote: »

That is equally as ridiculous as some lad who is on welfare whom has been bestowed Irish citizenship. The whole process needs to be more transparent. They also need to include a basic Irish History exam(ala America) and make sure that applicants are competent in one of the two languages of the state.

Which version of Irish History do you propose?

Also, according to recent Metro Eireann articles,

Ah, that bastion of accurate journalism.

some applicants have used it as a stepping stone into EU member states, Canada, Australia and America. This is not right either.

Stepping stone? If you are naturalised citizen should you be imprisoned in Ireland? Technically in 2 years i could have 3 passports, something wrong with that?

IrishAm

MadsL wrote: »

Which version of Irish History do you propose?

A basic examination. One were one sentence answers suffices . Example: When was the First Dail declared? What are the two official languages of the state? Who was the first female president? Where is the All Ireland Football and Hurling Finals held each year? What month?

MadsL wrote: »

Ah, that bastion of accurate journalism.

They were speaking upon naturalised citizens behalf. Warning those that were unaware of the rules i.e if you leave the state for a significant amount of time without informing the Department of Foreign affairs, you may well lose your citizenship

MadsL wrote: »

Stepping stone? Technically in 2 years i could have 3 passports, something wrong with that?

Are you collecting them?

MadsL

Is it history or a pub quiz team you are after?

Got a link for those articles?

Are you collecting them?

Does that concern you? If I fulfill my duties as a citizen what's the harm?

Frank Grimes

IrishAm wrote: »

Where is the All Ireland Football and Hurling Finals held each year? What month

I know they're in Croke Park but I've no idea what month, nor do I care. Should my citizenship be revoked?

JasCh

Hi im applying for an irish citizenship the second time because i am missing some documents so they sent it back to me..now that ive completed it i made a mistake by writing down stamp 2a instead of 2..i already know theyre reckonable but im confused on is there a possibility that they might caught on that mistake or can i remove that with a liquid remover?

Im just applying for an appeal and they already stamped it the date they received it the first time..

johnnyskeleton

Frank Grimes wrote: »

I know they're in Croke Park but I've no idea what month, nor do I care. Should my citizenship be revoked?

It's a trick question. 60 odd years ago they were held in New York.

ResearchWill

JasCh wrote: »

Hi im applying for an irish citizenship the second time because i am missing some documents so they sent it back to me..now that ive completed it i made a mistake by writing down stamp 2a instead of 2..i already know theyre reckonable but im confused on is there a possibility that they might caught on that mistake or can i remove that with a liquid remover?

Im just applying for an appeal and they already stamped it the date they received it the first time..

Neither Stamp 2 or 2A is reckonable for Naturlisation. There is also no appeal to a refusal a person is just invited to apply again if they wish.

"Q. How do I know if I have sufficient qualifying residency?
A. As stated above qualifying residency is determined by reference to qualifying permissions issued on behalf of the Minister by an Irish Immigration Officer and stamped on your passport. To provide you with a general indication as to whether you have sufficient qualifying residency for a naturalisation application an ONLINE RESIDENCY CHECKER has been made available on the INIS website and can be accessed by clicking here.

Residence is now calculated in days – you must have residency permission for the 365 days immediately prior to the date of application (366 days if permission encompasses 29th February) plus 1,460 days in the 8 years prior to that period (+1 day for any period encompassing 29th February).

Please note that certain stamps are not reckonable for naturalisation purposes. These include study related permissions: 1A, 2, 2A and temporary permissions granted while you were applying for asylum. Please note that gaps between stamps are periods of unlawful residence and are also not reckonable."

From http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Frequently%20asked%20Questions%20about%20Irish%20Citizenship%20and%20Naturalisation#Q7

JasCh

ResearchWill wrote: »

Neither Stamp 2 or 2A is reckonable for Naturlisation. There is also no appeal to a refusal a person is just invited to apply again if they wish.

"Q. How do I know if I have sufficient qualifying residency?
A. As stated above qualifying residency is determined by reference to qualifying permissions issued on behalf of the Minister by an Irish Immigration Officer and stamped on your passport. To provide you with a general indication as to whether you have sufficient qualifying residency for a naturalisation application an ONLINE RESIDENCY CHECKER has been made available on the INIS website and can be accessed by clicking here.

Residence is now calculated in days – you must have residency permission for the 365 days immediately prior to the date of application (366 days if permission encompasses 29th February) plus 1,460 days in the 8 years prior to that period (+1 day for any period encompassing 29th February).

Please note that certain stamps are not reckonable for naturalisation purposes. These include study related permissions: 1A, 2, 2A and temporary permissions granted while you were applying for asylum. Please note that gaps between stamps are periods of unlawful residence and are also not reckonable."

From http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Frequently%20asked%20Questions%20about%20Irish%20Citizenship%20and%20Naturalisation#Q7

So would it matter if i wrote stamp 2a instead of 2?


Im just worried that by putting the wrong stamp my application might be refused for wrong information..
I already had everything sorted out just this small problem is keeping me on sending it out

ResearchWill

JasCh wrote: »

So would it matter if i wrote stamp 2a instead of 2?


Im just worried that by putting the wrong stamp my application might be refused for wrong information..
I already had everything sorted out just this small problem is keeping me on sending it out

Do you have the required time other than the stamp 2 or 2A.

JasCh

ResearchWill wrote: »

Do you have the required time other than the stamp 2 or 2A.

Yes im on stamp 4 for the last 3 years now and i came to ireland as a dependant from my parents and i have been livin here for 9years this april