Irish defence forces in Afghanisatan

bettyswollocks

Why in hell's name are we participating in the Afghan 'war'?

pablomakaveli

I believe they're there with the UN.

Scioch

We be keepin the peace not fighting a war.

charlemont

Probably to protect the Heroin growers from the Taliban..:rolleyes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/13/world/taliban-s-eradication-of-poppies-is-convulsing-opium-market.html

Boombastic

We don't have anything for them to do here

shakin

Its a army ordnance team afaik.....bomb/ied disposal. They are highly thought of worldwide it seems, what with all the experience from the IRA.

Also i believe its NATO not the UN

Scioch

Yeah seems they are training folks on how to detect and dispose of mines and whatnot which still kill innocent people. Clear up stuff rather than participation in the war.

seven_eleven

Isnt there just like 5 of them? I wouldnt get so concerned op.

It wasn't me!

Seven in ISAF HQ Kabul I believe. They're essentially part of the directoral staff and it's an excellent opportunity for them to gain experience in modern IED construction and deployment and countermeasures which will certainly translate well into other theatres, like our larger participation in Lebanon.

ejmaztec

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Seven in ISAF HQ Kabul I believe. They're essentially part of the directoral staff and it's an excellent opportunity for them to gain experience in modern IED construction and deployment and countermeasures which will certainly translate well into other theatres, like our larger participation in Lebanon Ireland after the next budget.

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shakin

shakin wrote: »

Also i believe its NATO not the UN

Ireland is not a member of NATO, so it must be the UN that they're there with.

It wasn't me!

ejmaztec wrote: »

fixed:(

Yeah, right, I fully expect to see the army on the street dealing with IEDs composed of 155mm rounds in chains by October. FFS, can we have any single discussion without someone flailing in with something about the Irish economy?

ScumLord

So we can show the locals the fun side of debauchery.

Manic Moran

Yeah seems they are training folks on how to detect and dispose of mines and whatnot which still kill innocent people. Clear up stuff rather than participation in the war.

This is incorrect, or at least, was at last information released. Only one or two are in counter-IED. I had an NCO worked with an Irish Signal Corps officer. Others are in ops, I/O, civil affairs...

There was a breakdown several years ago in the Irish Times as to who was doing what, but generally they're there as a learning experience for the DF. The is no better place to learn multi-national operations with the latest techniques and equipment than an active deployment with so many countries involved.

NTM

Scioch

Manic Moran wrote: »

This is incorrect, or at least, was at last information released. Only one or two are in counter-IED. I had an NCO worked with an Irish Signal Corps officer. Others are in ops, I/O, civil affairs...

There was a breakdown several years ago in the Irish Times as to who was doing what, but generally they're there as a learning experience for the DF. The is no better place to learn multi-national operations with the latest techniques and equipment than an active deployment with so many countries involved.

NTM

That was the gist of this piece anyway. Perhaps it refers to something different though.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2012/0316/1224313392789.html

CrazyRabbit

So, they go over there for training, and thus make Ireland a legitimate target for terrorists (in their eyes). Not worth it IMHO.

Don't get involved in the actions of the US & UK armies...we gain too many enemies.

Manic Moran

What a terrorist considers a 'legitimate target' may not hold much legitimacy in anyone else's eyes anyway. (Sortof why they're terrorists in the first place really).

NTM

Deeno37

Don't see why we shouldn't have troops there. Irish army have already served with nato troops in KFOR as well as the EU and UN. These missions have the backing of the UN which is how our defence forces receive their mandate for missions. The experience the army has gained is such that they hold training seminars for armies from all over the world. As most western countries, particularly europe have troops in afganistan (even luxemburg) why shouldnt Ireland? Can't cower under our stupid nuetrality forever............

AirsoftDude360

My Father is currently doing pre deployment training for his second tour there in August, he was based in kabul during his first but now hes being based in Kandahar for his second, the role is casualty evac, cp and c-ied

Chijj

AirsoftDude360 wrote: »

My Father is currently doing pre deployment training for his second tour there in August, he was based in kabul during his first but now hes being based in Kandahar for his second, the role is casualty evac, cp and c-ied

All those sleepless nights for the past 3 years and our answers are finally given. Thank you kind sir.

AirsoftDude360

Just thought i'd bring it up incase you guys didn't get a whole lot of info on the subject haha if you need any other info i'd be glad to help, no problem at all Mr.Chijj

The Aussie

Give him an Air Soft toy...

That 1 Joule of energy will be a whole can of whoop ass

SEPT 23 1989

AirsoftDude360 wrote: »

My Father is currently doing pre deployment training for his second tour there in August, he was based in kabul during his first but now hes being based in Kandahar for his second, the role is casualty evac, cp and c-ied

did he kill any of them?

AirsoftDude360

I have no idea,I don't ask him them sort of questions, he keeps to himself about all of his tours, a few funny stories yeah but that's it. The Aussie this an old account from years ago, im in the Army Reserve now and no longer playing airsoft, havent for 4 years

darkpagandeath

gvn wrote: »

Ireland is not a member of NATO, so it must be the UN that they're there with.

I thought Ireland was in the Nordic Battle Group ?

Señor Fancy Pants

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I thought Ireland was in the Nordic Battle Group ?

Ireland is not a NATO member country but works under its banner. Ireland is still part of the NBG.

AirsoftDude360

well he had the Nato and ISAF patch on his arm plus were part of the Nordic Battle Group. were in the PFP partnership for peace with NATO. Afghanistan is no longer NATO led anyway, its now Resolute Support

Egginacup

I must admit that I was completely unaware of this:

http://clareherald.com/2015/01/07/concern-for-safety-of-irish-troops-in-afghanistan-60900/

Why are Irish personnel providing support to NATO?

suicide_circus

Egginacup wrote: »

I must admit that I was completely unaware of this:

http://clareherald.com/2015/01/07/concern-for-safety-of-irish-troops-in-afghanistan-60900/

Why are Irish personnel providing support to NATO?

We know on which side our toast is buttered?

BlaasForRafa

Egginacup wrote: »

Why are Irish personnel providing support to NATO?

Why shouldn't Ireland provide support to Afghanistan by way of Nato?

Gatling

Been an Irish presence in Afghanistan for about 4 years now hardly new shocking news

Señor Fancy Pants

Gatling wrote: »

Been an Irish presence in Afghanistan for about 4 years now hardly new shocking news

First Irish deployment was 2002/2003 I think.

Fratton Fred

Egginacup wrote: »

I must admit that I was completely unaware of this:

http://clareherald.com/2015/01/07/concern-for-safety-of-irish-troops-in-afghanistan-60900/

Why are Irish personnel providing support to NATO?

Ireland was a member of the UN security council that passed the unanimous resolution that formed ISAF. If the Irish government voted in favour of the operation, then it is only fair that it also contributes.

Gatling

Truffle Pig wrote: »

First Irish deployment was 2002/2003 I think.

First I actually remembered was one of the lads who went out brought his new desert uniform over to show off and that was going on 5 years back ,

Señor Fancy Pants

Gatling wrote: »

First I actually remembered was one of the lads who went out brought his new desert uniform over to show off and that was going on 5 years back ,

Yeah it's snazzy stuff Better to have the desert gear than the normal DPM stuff.

Zebra3

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Why shouldn't Ireland provide support to Afghanistan by way of Nato?

:rolleyes:

Because we're not part of the NATO killing machine.

AirsoftDude360

Gatling wrote: »

Been an Irish presence in Afghanistan for about 4 years now hardly new shocking news

4? Try since 2002, been there much longer then 4

AirsoftDude360

Zebra3 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Because we're not part of the NATO killing machine.

We went to help with close protection and CIED, it's anyone's given right to defend themselves against armed aggressors, the scumbag taliban no less