Class 1 med question

Hi hows things? Some great threads going here. Been following with interest the last while. I have a question. I have always had a strong interest in been a commercial pilot since I was knee high. It's all I ever wanted to do. I have some PPL hours done but haven't flown in a few years. My question is related to the Class 1 medical. I no its a big no no for commercial pilots but i may have a bit of colour blindness and I am wondering would this rule me out completely from ever been a commercial pilot? I have tried some of the cards online that tests colour blindness and have had problems identifying the numbers. In every day life I seem to have no
Problem with . I can identify
Colours clearly. Thanks in advance.

robclay26

Bonnie Wrong Marriage wrote: »

Hi hows things? Some great threads going here. Been following with interest the last while. I have a question. I have always had a strong interest in been a commercial pilot since I was knee high. It's all I ever wanted to do. I have some PPL hours done but haven't flown in a few years. My question is related to the Class 1 medical. I no its a big no no for commercial pilots but i may have a bit of colour blindness and I am wondering would this rule me out completely from ever been a commercial pilot? I have tried some of the cards online that tests colour blindness and have had problems identifying the numbers. In every day life I seem to have no
Problem with . I can identify
Colours clearly. Thanks in advance.

I was in this situation and hold a caa uk/ jaa class 1 medical. To cut a long story short, are you prepared to go to the uk to train in an integrated course? If so, do you initial class 1 with the caa uk in Gatwick. They have a CAD computer test for people who fail isharia plates and other means of testing suck as Holmes wright lantern etc.

If you can pass the above, you will have your medical. Now aparently your initial training must be done in the state which granted you initial medical. I would check it out with the IAA and caa. That's why I said if you do need to do your initial training in the state of issue you would have to do integrated course to get all your training done quicker.. Skip the IAA and just go to Gatwick since you have colour vision problems.
It's cheaper and you go home the same day with your cert and not having to wait a few weeks!!
Pm me if you want more information and hear about what I been through.

Did you do a colour vision test in spec savers etc?

robclay26

robclay26 wrote: »

Bonnie Wrong Marriage wrote: »

Hi hows things? Some great threads going here. Been following with interest the last while. I have a question. I have always had a strong interest in been a commercial pilot since I was knee high. It's all I ever wanted to do. I have some PPL hours done but haven't flown in a few years. My question is related to the Class 1 medical. I no its a big no no for commercial pilots but i may have a bit of colour blindness and I am wondering would this rule me out completely from ever been a commercial pilot? I have tried some of the cards online that tests colour blindness and have had problems identifying the numbers. In every day life I seem to have no
Problem with . I can identify
Colours clearly. Thanks in advance.

I was in this situation and hold a caa uk/ jaa class 1 medical. To cut a long story short, are you prepared to go to the uk to train in an integrated course? If so, do you initial class 1 with the caa uk in Gatwick. They have a CAD computer test for people who fail isharia plates and other means of testing suck as Holmes wright lantern etc.

If you can pass the above, you will have your medical. Now aparently your initial training must be done in the state which granted you initial medical. I would check it out with the IAA and caa. That's why I said if you do need to do your initial training in the state of issue you would have to do integrated course to get all your training done quicker.. Skip the IAA and just go to Gatwick since you have colour vision problems.
It's cheaper and you go home the same day with your cert and not having to wait a few weeks!!
Pm me if you want more information and hear about what I been through.

Did you do a colour vision test in spec savers etc?

No I just done the colour vision test on the Internet. I am currently in Australia the last 6 months and earning decent money. The pilot idea has always been in my head so in recent months I have been thinking about it more seriously. I will PM you soon if that's ok. Thanks very much.

PM sent..

Anyone else ever in a similar situation with the colour issue or have any experiences to tell regarding the medical.
Thanks

robclay26

Vinnie,

Can you PM me your email please? i have information for you

regards
rob

happy_head

Bonnie Wrong Marriage wrote: »

Anyone else ever in a similar situation with the colour issue or have any experiences to tell regarding the medical.
Thanks

The Ishihara test plates are used at a class one medical to determine whether a candidate has a colour deficiency or not. This test cannot determine how bad you colour deficiency is. If a candidate fails an ishihara test, they can take an alternative test to see if they are "colour safe" - slight deficiency, but not enough to cause problems in a Flight Crew.

The Aeromedical in the Mater Private will give you a "Holmes-Wright Lantern Test" if you fail the Ishihara. This test is pretty simple if you only have a slight deficiency - You sit in a room about 4 metres away from a black box (bit ironic yeah??) that has two LED's one above the other. Each LED has the capability of creating any shade of Green, Red or White. Both LED's will illuminate at the same time and you have to say what colours you see within 3 seconds stating the colour of LED on top followed by bottom LED. There are probably about 15-20 of these sequences you must get right to pass.

The Class one medical is €650 for initial, which is quite expensive if you think you might fail the colour test, so maybe the best thing to do is go for the Lantern Test first (~€100) and if you pass then you know your colour safe and all you need then is to complete the rest of the medical.

Hope this helps a bit.

happy_head

Here is a bit of info from the JAA-FCL.

"JAR–FCL 3.225 Colour perception
(a) Normal colour perception is defined as the ability to pass the Ishihara test or to pass Nagel’s anomaloscope as a normal trichromate (see paragraph 1 Appendix 14 to Subpart .
(b) An applicant shall have normal perception of colours or be colour safe. [At the initial examination applicants have to pass the Ishihara test.] Applicants who fail Ishihara’s test shall be assessed as colour safe if they pass extensive testing with methods acceptable to the AMS (anomaloscopy or colour lanterns – see paragraph 2 Appendix 14 to Subpart . [At revalidation or renewal colour vision needs only to be tested on clinical grounds.]
(c) An applicant who fails the acceptable colour perception tests is to be considered colour unsafe and shall be assessed as unfit.
[Amdt.5, 01.12.06]"