Chamionship Structure is Just Fine!

Xenophile

As we approach end of season let me suggest that championship structures are fine and to need to tinker with them looking for a perfect solution. I refer in particular to the six day turn around for losers of provincial finals let it be part of the buzz and drama of the season. Not expecting everyone to agree!

jimbo79

Xenophile wrote: »

As we approach end of season let me suggest that championship structures are fine and to need to tinker with them looking for a perfect solution. I refer in particular to the six day turn around for losers of provincial finals let it be part of the buzz and drama of the season. Not expecting everyone to agree!

im not sure what to do whether to leave it as it is or make changes, there are problems but you may create more by changing it.

leinster hurling is in dire straits and has been for years, so what did they do to fix it? add carlow and westmeath, hardly a solution when neither of these two counties are good enough you can throw laois and antrim in with them too, and wexford and offaly are not far ahead, that is 6 counties that are slightly ahead of ring teams but way off the senior, a championship between these 6 teams may be an idea with the winner making a leinster semi



as for the football, munster has a problem all bar kerry and cork will be playing out of div4 next year, is it fair to expect them to go from playing teams like kilkenny and london to taking on kerry and cork, limerick in fairness usually give the big two a good game but as off yet have still not beaten them, i would not be in favour of excluding teams from the all ireland but maybe a qualifier round just for weaker teams could be arranged which would give these teams an attainable goal and still keep them in the all ireland

Syferus

Xenophile wrote: »

As we approach end of season let me suggest that championship structures are fine and to need to tinker with them looking for a perfect solution. I refer in particular to the six day turn around for losers of provincial finals let it be part of the buzz and drama of the season. Not expecting everyone to agree!

Insanity, and already likely gone from next season onwards.

Bizzum

Let me play Devils advocate for a second!

If the qualifier system wanted to help weaker teams it could exclude to some extent some stronger ones. Say for example the All Ireland champions. It's hard enough to beat the likes of Kilkenny once without having to do it twice.

All in favour.............Raise your hand:)

cgpg5

Football is grand. Actually love the back door throws up some great games and surprises

purplepanda

Xenophile wrote: »

As we approach end of season let me suggest that championship structures are fine and to need to tinker with them looking for a perfect solution. I refer in particular to the six day turn around for losers of provincial finals let it be part of the buzz and drama of the season. Not expecting everyone to agree!

Does this also include the hurling set up, Tipp, being the Munster champions suffered from the long break in games before the AI semi last week while KK sharped their claws playing Limerick & Cork.

I think the Hurling should go back to 4 quarter finals like it was a few years back.

rn

Absolutely disagree. The championship structure as it presently stands has adversely effected the club game in many counties.

Henwin

Football
The provencial championship really needs to be scraped. Its not fair sum teams hav to play more games than others to get to the provencial final. what i tink is needed is something like 8 groups of 4 teams. the top 2 in each group go into the last 16,. the bottom 2 teams have a separate last 16 competition. all these games are fixed in the calender so that clubs and county boards can plan their own championship. at the moment it is really hard on clubs when their games are put back constanly if their county go in the back door.
Who in the gaa wants to keep the provencial championship, i really feel its the main problem nowadays. teams get bored playing each other year after year. if they really want it they cud play a preseason competition.
it mite be an idea to seed the groups, say the previous years quarterfinaists get 1st seedings.
Hurling
hurling is in dire straits i tink. realistically only 4/5 teams out of 32 hav any hope of winning the all ireland. It cud be an option to invest heavilly in coaches for every primary school and club in the country with a goal of improving the standard in the weaker counties. as for senior level maybe also scrap the provencial system and go with 2 groups of 6 teams, tats 5 games for each team with the top 2 in each grouo into semi finals. the bottom 2in each group then hav a relegation game with the loser into christy ring and the winner of christy ring into the main competition.

cgpg5

Groups, no way imo. Championship has to have a knock-out system really to garner the most interest. And a last 16 tournament? Come on who'd be interested in that?

There is zero point in talking about scrapping provincial championships cos it won't happen. Local derbies bring the crowds and that's what the GAA want.

The provinces can't be that badly imbalanced. The top 5 teams in the country include teams from all the provinces

False Prophet

Some counties(tipp,clare,limerick,waterford,leithrim etc) have no chance of winning an all-Ireland(anytime soon anyway) but on a given day could win a provencial title which could lead to further glory down the road(or at least to more kids playing the sport)

buckwheat

Henwin wrote: »

Football
The provencial championship really needs to be scraped. Its not fair sum teams hav to play more games than others to get to the provencial final. what i tink is needed is something like 8 groups of 4 teams. the top 2 in each group go into the last 16,. the bottom 2 teams have a separate last 16 competition. all these games are fixed in the calender so that clubs and county boards can plan their own championship. at the moment it is really hard on clubs when their games are put back constanly if their county go in the back door.
Who in the gaa wants to keep the provencial championship, i really feel its the main problem nowadays. teams get bored playing each other year after year. if they really want it they cud play a preseason competition.
it mite be an idea to seed the groups, say the previous years quarterfinaists get 1st seedings.
Hurling
hurling is in dire straits i tink. realistically only 4/5 teams out of 32 hav any hope of winning the all ireland. It cud be an option to invest heavilly in coaches for every primary school and club in the country with a goal of improving the standard in the weaker counties. as for senior level maybe also scrap the provencial system and go with 2 groups of 6 teams, tats 5 games for each team with the top 2 in each grouo into semi finals. the bottom 2in each group then hav a relegation game with the loser into christy ring and the winner of christy ring into the main competition.

Any chance of posting that in english? The bits I can read do actually make sense

Henwin

ok sorry, it sounds confusing after reading it back. lets say they have 8 groups of 4 teams.
The previous years quarterfinalists are top seeds in each group.
Group 1
Dublin, Monaghan, Roscommon, Clare

Group 2
Down, Meath, Sligo, Carlow

Group 3
Mayo, Westmeath, Tipperary, Antrim

Group 4
Kerry, Derry, Galway, Wicklow.

Group 5
Donegal, Wexford, Louth, Leitrim

Group 6
Cork, Armagh, Fermanagh, Longford

Group 7
Kildare, Tyrone, Limerick, London/New York

Group 8
Laois, Cavan, Offaly, Waterford.

Ok each team plays 3 games.
the top 2 in each group qualify for the quarter finals.
It could be a possibility that the bottom 2 in each group have a tommy murphy style cup(Quarter, semi, final)
I feel overall that something like this would work better than what is there at the moment for these reasons:
1. To get to this years quarterfinals this year Laois, Kildare and Kerry had to play 5 games. Donegal and Down 4 games. Dublin 3 games. Mayo and Cork only 2. That makes no sense.
2. It is not possible for clubs and county boards to organise local fixtures and plan at the start of the year if you dont know what dates the county are playing on. Clubs are forgotton at the top level. With the structure outlined above every team plays 3 group matches on set dates, then a quartefinal, semi final and a final.
Hope that explains it better.

Xenophile

purplepanda wrote: »

I think the Hurling should go back to 4 quarter finals like it was a few years back.

Maybe you have a point here, going back to quarter finals now would mean four teams coming out of the qualifiers. Would be a great incentive for the likes of Wexford, Offaly, especially now with Kilkenny so dominant in Leinster despite their little blip earlier on this year.

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The Championship structuring definitely needs to be looked at but it's hard to please everyone. One thing that could altered is the scheduling of games. The Football Championship hits break neck speed in July and then hits a lull in August.

jimbo79

Henwin wrote: »

ok sorry, it sounds confusing after reading it back. lets say they have 8 groups of 4 teams.
The previous years quarterfinalists are top seeds in each group.
Group 1
Dublin, Monaghan, Roscommon, Clare

Group 2
Down, Meath, Sligo, Carlow

Group 3
Mayo, Westmeath, Tipperary, Antrim

Group 4
Kerry, Derry, Galway, Wicklow.

Group 5
Donegal, Wexford, Louth, Leitrim

Group 6
Cork, Armagh, Fermanagh, Longford

Group 7
Kildare, Tyrone, Limerick, London/New York

Group 8
Laois, Cavan, Offaly, Waterford.

Ok each team plays 3 games.
the top 2 in each group qualify for the quarter finals.
It could be a possibility that the bottom 2 in each group have a tommy murphy style cup(Quarter, semi, final)
I feel overall that something like this would work better than what is there at the moment for these reasons:
1. To get to this years quarterfinals this year Laois, Kildare and Kerry had to play 5 games. Donegal and Down 4 games. Dublin 3 games. Mayo and Cork only 2. That makes no sense.
2. It is not possible for clubs and county boards to organise local fixtures and plan at the start of the year if you dont know what dates the county are playing on. Clubs are forgotton at the top level. With the structure outlined above every team plays 3 group matches on set dates, then a quartefinal, semi final and a final.
Hope that explains it better.

it will never happen, the provincial councils would not allow it, if there are going to be changes it will be within the current structure

in the late 90s possibly 98 in the lfc they had a preliminary comp where wexford carlow longford and wicklow had to all play each other to get into the leinster proper,it gave teams a chance to build a bit of momentum maybe something like this could be done again