New car ?, focus 1.6tdci style

kaku777

Doing around 10-15k miles a year.

Was thinking about the focus 1.6tdci style. Any opinions on this?.
Is this car price about right or should I be paying less?
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Ford/Focus/1.6-TDCI/29513450428764410/advert?channel=CARS

Is it quick enough with 90 bhp?.
How often do these have to be serviced and how much roughly does each service cost?

Stallingrad

That is a UK car, not necessarily a bad thing but do your homework on the cars history and mileage.

It's a good car and a good engine, but they do need to be serviced on time and with the right grade oil, so make sure it has a documented FHS.

kaku777

Stallingrad wrote: »

That is a UK car, not necessarily a bad thing but do your homework on the cars history and mileage.

It's a good car and a good engine, but they do need to be serviced on time and with the right grade oil, so make sure it has a documented FHS.

A uk car?

awec

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kaku777

awec wrote: »

Imported to Ireland from the UK and re-registered.

How can you tell this is from uk?

Stallingrad

kaku777 wrote: »

A uk car?

Yes, first registered in the UK, see mph speedo.

awec

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Stallingrad

Try and aim for Zetec spec or higher if you can, the Style really has nothing in it and feels very cheapo inside, not even the invaluable heated screen.

kaku777

Stallingrad wrote: »

Try and aim for Zetec spec or higher if you can, the Style really has nothing in it and feels very cheapo inside, not even the invaluable heated screen.

Hoping to get an 08 with less then 70k miles for around 8-9.5k.
So I reckin I will only be able to get the Style.

kaku777

kaku777 wrote: »

Was thinking about the focus 1.6tdci style. Any opinions on this?.
Is this car price about right or should I be paying less?


Is it quick enough with 90 bhp?.
How often do these have to be serviced and how much roughly does each service cost?

Can anyone answer my questions?, anyone have this car?

eric hoone

Have this car, it's not quick off the mark but comfortable on motorways. Wouldn't recommend it for city driving.

R.O.R

kaku777 wrote: »

Can anyone answer my questions?, anyone have this car?

Driven many of them, and personally, I think they are great to drive. Nippy rather than out and out quick. Decent acceleration, but do run out of steam at motorway speeds.

The one linked has A/C, so all it's really missing from a Zetec is the Centre Armrest and the heated front screen. Don't think it mentions alloy wheels in the ad, so they could be composite wheel trims, but they look pretty good regardless.

Service intervals are every 20,000km (12,500 miles). Parts and servicing aren't expensive. No idea of how much a service actually is, but even Ford dealers are relatively cheap.

We had a lot of these on our fleet over time and never really had any issues, perhaps because they generally get serviced when they should.

bazz26

Uk spec Style back in 2008 was actually a litte bit higher spec than a similar Irish model. A/C was standard on the UK model. €11k seems steep to me for a car that is in plenty of supply and heading towards 5 years old. Full verifiable service history is a most, if it is missing then walk away, too many UK imports loosing mileage by the time they get off the ferry here. 90bhp version of that engine doesn't have a DPF either which is good news, one less thing to cause problems.

This one is a year younger for similar money:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=20713413310859590

Or a cheaper 1.8 TDCi:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=9013394172710810

kaku777

bazz26 wrote: »

Uk spec Style back in 2008 was actually a litte bit higher spec than a similar Irish model. A/C was standard on the UK model. €11k seems steep to me for a car that is in plenty of supply and heading towards 5 years old. Full verifiable service history is a most, if it is missing then walk away, too many UK imports loosing mileage by the time they get off the ferry here. 90bhp version of that engine doesn't have a DPF either which is good news, one less thing to cause problems.

This one is a year younger for similar money:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=20713413310859590

Or a cheaper 1.8 TDCi:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=9013394172710810

I do want to stay clear of the 1.8 engine....just because from what I read I prefer the 1.6.

This looks decent, http://www.carzone.ie/search/Ford/Focus/1.6-TDCi/7113382403016640/advert?channel=CARS

But I would be looking to pay closer to 9.5k. Is that realistic?.

bazz26

I'd say you will struggle to buy a clean and straight low mileage 2009 Focus for under €10k.

kaku777

bazz26 wrote: »

I'd say you will struggle to buy a clean and straight low mileage 2009 Focus for under €10k.

Prob go for an 08 then.

kaku777

kaku777 wrote: »

Prob go for an 08 then.

How much is an 08 1.6tdci worth, 90 bhp, in good condition with 70k miles.

If they are asking for 11000, should I be offering 9.5k....paying with cash, no trades.

lab man

hi just hopping in this thread i am looking for a half decent car was looking at a 1.6 focus style 09 today price 13.5 k with 65 k miles on it i'm told by a friend that the 1.8 focus is a better car ??? was also looking at a comfort golf09 84k kms for 15,750 e which is the better thanks for yer help L

lifer_sean

lab man wrote: »

hi just hopping in this thread i am looking for a half decent car was looking at a 1.6 focus style 09 today price 13.5 k with 65 k miles on it i'm told by a friend that the 1.8 focus is a better car ??? was also looking at a comfort golf09 84k kms for 15,750 e which is the better thanks for yer help L

Both of these seem very expensive. I'd have put the 09 Focus at 10500 or so, or the golf at 13000 for old shape / 14000 for new shape.

For comparison, you would buy a 2010 Hyundai i30 diesel for 11000 or so, or a 2011 for 14500. Comments on the i30 on this forum have been favorable. Won't have quite the build quality of a 09 new shape Golf, but two years newer and long manufacturers warranty.

lab man

sean i agree with the expense bit , do you know someone with a hyundai i 30

kaku777

lab man wrote: »

hi just hopping in this thread i am looking for a half decent car was looking at a 1.6 focus style 09 today price 13.5 k with 65 k miles on it i'm told by a friend that the 1.8 focus is a better car ???

Did he happen to say why, or did he just leave it at that.

lifer_sean

The 1.8TDCi is an older engine design than the 1.6. Well proven engine, slightly less efficient (puts out 115bhp in the Focus, tax band , more resistant to abuse.

The 1.6TDCi is a newer, better engineered engine, giving either 90 or 110 bhp depending on option, tax band A. However it must be serviced regularly with the proper oil to maintain reliability. Carbon builds up in the oil, blocking the oil feed lines, starving the turbo and other components of oil. For this reason they have a reputation for eating turbo's. If this happens, and you just fit a new turbo, then the underlying problem has not been fixed and the new turbo will die also.

This can be largely avoided by stripping sump and turbo oil feed lines, totally cleaning these, and then following a strict servicing schedule with the correct oil. We have being doing this on all Focus/Peugeot 1.6 diesels before sale and have been successful so far (fingers crossed).

kaku777

lifer_sean wrote: »

The 1.8TDCi is an older engine design than the 1.6. Well proven engine, slightly less efficient (puts out 115bhp in the Focus, tax band , more resistant to abuse.

The 1.6TDCi is a newer, better engineered engine, giving either 90 or 110 bhp depending on option, tax band A. However it must be serviced regularly with the proper oil to maintain reliability. Carbon builds up in the oil, blocking the oil feed lines, starving the turbo and other components of oil. For this reason they have a reputation for eating turbo's. If this happens, and you just fit a new turbo, then the underlying problem has not been fixed and the new turbo will die also.

This can be largely avoided by stripping sump and turbo oil feed lines, totally cleaning these, and then following a strict servicing schedule with the correct oil. We have being doing this on all Focus/Peugeot 1.6 diesels before sale and have been successful so far (fingers crossed).

If there is a problem like you mentioned with the 1.6 engine, how much would it cost to repair?

lifer_sean

Turbo itself about 700 euro, add the pipework that needs to be changed plus oil and filter plus labour, comes to about 1100. Try taking shortcuts and not doing all the ancilliary work and the new turbo will not last.

As I indicated earlier, if you do the preventive work before there is a problem (prob cost you 200-300), and follow up with frequent servicing, then you will probably be okay.

awec

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lifer_sean

awec wrote: »

How often does this need done lifer sean?

I have an 08 1.6 Focus (the 110bhp zetec model) - it was serviced earlier this year in advance of it's first MOT (before i imported it) but I'm sure they didn't do what you said.

If the car was propoerly serviced (eg every 10k or so by Ford main dealer, with service history and verified by phone call to dealer) then the preventative work may not be necessary.

If, like lots of the UK ones, was surviving one one service a year and was doing 20k miles/year, then I'd be cleaning it out (one-off job), and servicing it every 10k miles afterwards. Some people recommend the removal of the gauze on the banjo bolt on the oil feed pipe to the turbo, but take advice from your mechanic on this (if he doesn't know what you are talking about, then it's time to change mechanic).

These things are good for 150k miles plus if minded, but can die within 2-3 years (maybe 60k miles?) if not minded.

Above applies to all cars with this engine, including Focus, C-max, Fiesta, Volvo S40, later Mini diesels, many Peugeot/Citroens (207, 307, 308, 407, partner, berlingo, c4, c5, etc).

kaku777

lifer_sean wrote: »

If the car was propoerly serviced (eg every 10k or so by Ford main dealer, with service history and verified by phone call to dealer) then the preventative work may not be necessary.

If, like lots of the UK ones, was surviving one one service a year and was doing 20k miles/year, then I'd be cleaning it out (one-off job), and servicing it every 10k miles afterwards. Some people recommend the removal of the gauze on the banjo bolt on the oil feed pipe to the turbo, but take advice from your mechanic on this (if he doesn't know what you are talking about, then it's time to change mechanic).

These things are good for 150k miles plus if minded, but can die within 2-3 years (maybe 60k miles?) if not minded.

Above applies to all cars with this engine, including Focus, C-max, Fiesta, Volvo S40, later Mini diesels, many Peugeot/Citroens (207, 307, 308, 407, partner, berlingo, c4, c5, etc).

Ok I will look for one with good service history.

I can live with the risk that it might need work costing 1100 done as long as I know it will be fine after that as long as its serviced because of the money I will save on fuel and tax.
How much would the standard service cost every 10k miles or so?.

lifer_sean

kaku777 wrote: »

How much would the standard service cost every 10k miles or so?.

Depends on where you get it done. Good quality oil isn't cheap. I'd expect 100-120 for a basic service with the proper oil and a genuine ford filter (they are not expensive) from a good indy. Anything less than 100 and I'd be checking the oil being used. Every second service I'd be changing the fuel and air filters.

George or one of the others on here more into the maintenance side (rather than sales) might be better to give a price on the servicing.

eightpints08

I'm looking for a car for my daughter at uni to commute between Galway and Donegal.

Been offered a clean uk reg black 08 Focus Style Tdci 90bhp with 39k miles on the clock.Full servive history which has included three full services to date.

Price 9k euro cleared. Value or not?

May add,I'm buying of a friend who supplys car to main dealers here and is reputable.Car is guaranteed genuine milage etc.

kaku777

Seems like a good price to me, few around priced at that with that kind of millage and year.

DPM1

My parents have a 2010 1.6 90ps Focus diesel and they are happy with it very light on fuel. I used to have the older shape 1.8 115ps and was very happy when i had it, plenty of grunt. As far as servicing costs go i found it was reasonable but i did most of my own servicing.

Main dealer prices are on the ford website for comparison; http://www.ford.ie/FordService/Ford_Service_Promise