Hobgoblin 'Clone' from kit

Snake Doctor

Okay, I've been brewing kits for over a year now with some great results and some OK results. I've tweaked brews many times by adding hops, honey, treacle, golden syrup etc which has worked very well in many cases. As I'm a huge fan of the Hobgob, was wondering did anyone have a recipe for tweaking a kit to steer it towards Hobgoblin?

Thanks!!

oblivious

Hi


here are the speciality malt of a clone that lots of people have done, you can steep these in 60 c water and add then to your liquid or dry malt extract

0.25 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L
0.20 kg Cara-Pils/Dextrine
0.15 kg Chocolate Malt

The hop steep in the warm wort is important, it some around 40-50g per litres of Styrian Goldings. This can be done in a hop bag or any another nylon bag so the hops can be easily removed.

Yeast your choice


Hope this is of help

oblivious

Actual there is a small change to the recipe I gave


Crystal malt. 360g
Chocolate malt 100g

There is a little bit of sugar 0.5%, around 20g/20 litres. The brewery uses this to extent the brewing volume, I can really see it have any real effect on your beer.

Aroma hop steep for around 10 minutes

16g Cascade
64gStyrian Goldings

all the best

Snake Doctor

Thanks for that mate

I've never gone beyond kits so extract will be a step up for me. Is the volume of beer brewed the same (23 litres) and am right in saying I steep the malt in 6 litres at 60 degrees and then add to the rest of the work with the malt extract (1 kg)?

Also, how long is the hop steet (bitterness) and is it Styrian only for hte bitterness and cascade and styrian for aroma?

Thanks!

oblivious

Snake Doctor wrote: »

Thanks for that mate

I've never gone beyond kits so extract will be a step up for me. Is the volume of beer brewed the same (23 litres) and am right in saying I steep the malt in 6 litres at 60 degrees and then add to the rest of the work with the malt extract (1 kg)?

Also, how long is the hop steet (bitterness) and is it Styrian only for hte bitterness and cascade and styrian for aroma?

Thanks!

You could still use a kit all malt one and steep the grain . Around 3 liters would be find for the steep.

For your above method you would need a couple of Kg of dry malt extract and it needs to be boiled then cooled.

Maybe upgrading a kit might be easier to start with?

For the hops both are for aroma 10 minutes in warn wort would fine.

GeorgeCostanza

Da-na!

http://www.coopers.com.au/the-brewers-guild/how-to-brew/ale/hop-gobbler

Snake Doctor

nice one - that looks like a good place to start.Will definitely go the extract route though at some stage... i think its time!

oblivious

GeorgeCostanza wrote: »

Da-na!

http://www.coopers.com.au/the-brewers-guild/how-to-brew/ale/hop-gobbler

The above recipe is the Hobgoblin recipe and was given directly from the brewery. Without the crystal and Cascade/Styrian Goldings hops it not going to be the same

GeorgeCostanza

Snake Doctor wrote: »

nice one - that looks like a good place to start.Will definitely go the extract route though at some stage... i think its time!

No problem. The Coopers recipes are generally pretty reliable.

The kits are great for convenience and learning the process of sanitisation and fermentation, but the extract/steeping grains route will mean a big step-up in quality imo. Go for it!

GeorgeCostanza

oblivious wrote: »

The above recipe is the Hobgoblin recipe and was given directly from the brewery. Without the crystal and Cascade/Styrian Goldings hops it not going to be the same

The amber malt extract specified in the recipe already has the crystal malt.

The Fuggles hops specified are very similar to Styrian Goldings. I doubt you'd notice the difference.

oblivious

GeorgeCostanza wrote: »

The amber malt extract specified in the recipe already has the crystal malt.

The Fuggles hops specified are very similar to Styrian Goldings. I doubt you'd notice the difference.

The recipe I gave is from Hobgoblin brewery, amber malt extract may have other ingredients such as colouring/sugar and may or may not contain crystal malt. Also the percentage of crystal malt is import to developing the flavour

Styrian are different to Fuglgles with a slight orange aroma an the amounts the clone used are massive and will be noticeable. Further the addition of cascade will really push the citrus edge

GeorgeCostanza

The OP is looking to modify a kit, not put Wychwood out of business.

OP, the proplem with modding kits is that you are adding all of these hops and specialty malts when you don't know what ingredients are in the base kit to begin with. Coopers obviously know what's in their kit so I'd be inclined to use their recipe as a first attempt.

I would use a different yeast from that under the lid though. A dry English ale yeast would work best, like Nottingham.

oblivious

GeorgeCostanza wrote: »

The OP is looking to modify a kit, not put Wychwood out of business.

:rolleyes: they where asking to clone or get as near as they can to the beer , Why not try the real recipe?

GeorgeCostanza wrote: »

OP, the proplem with modding kits is that you are adding all of these hops and specialty malts when you don't know what ingredients are in the base kit to begin with. Coopers obviously know what's in their kit so I'd be inclined to use their recipe as a first attempt.

Coopers are in the business of selling malt extract, I would always go with a pale ale kit and get colour and flavour from steeped malts

There is really not much addition to the method I have decided. The cooper method you still have to steep chocolate malt, why not add another 300g of crystal and steep some hop, its not rock science

GeorgeCostanza wrote: »

I would use a different yeast from that under the lid though. A dry English ale yeast would work best, like Nottingham.

Yep

Snake Doctor

Well, I went with the Coopers recipe in the end more or less:

Coopers English Bitter Kit
250 g Choc Malt
Fuggles pellets Hopbag 25 g
EKG pellets hopbag 25 g
1 Kg light spraymalt

brew has been in the bottle for about 3 weeks now and I tried one the other day. It looks like Hobgoblin, and it tastes very very very VERY similar. There is something small missing....but for a first attempt at cloning the HB, its great. Maybe its lacking the freshness due to being kit based? Anyway, if anyone is a Hobgoblin fan, I'd recommend this recipe for a first attempt.

oblivious

Snake Doctor wrote: »

Well, I went with the Coopers recipe in the end more or less:

Coopers English Bitter Kit
250 g Choc Malt
Fuggles pellets Hopbag 25 g
EKG pellets hopbag 25 g
1 Kg light spraymalt

brew has been in the bottle for about 3 weeks now and I tried one the other day. It looks like Hobgoblin, and it tastes very very very VERY similar.

16g Cascade and 64g Styrian Goldings are needed