post and rail

epfff

What are the life spans maintance on the black and geen post and rail
inothet words is the black worth double the price of green

reilig

epfff wrote: »

What are the life spans maintance on the black and geen post and rail
inothet words is the black worth double the price of green

It depends on whether it is pressure treated or just sprayed. It also depends on what type of wood it is? You'll usually be able to tell the better posts by their heavier weight. Most post manufacturers give a rot guarantee with their posts which can vairy from 5 years to 20 years. As with all post and rail, it will need to be treated annually in order to maintain its look.

To answer your question, if the green comes with a 5 year guarantee and the black comes with a 20 year guarantee, then it is possible that the black is worth up to 4 times the price of the green!!

Jack180570

epfff wrote: »

What are the life spans maintance on the black and geen post and rail
inothet words is the black worth double the price of green

It depends also on whether the black is creosote or just brown tanalith, which is just a different colour to the green tanalith but still tanalith.

In general the creosote is very very good and long lasting but expensive and I do think that 20 years should not be a problem... Regarding the tanalith preservative (either brown or green)....

most of the post offered for sale which are treated do not carry ANY guarantee, indeed they do not even have an 'expected service life'.... there is a Government standard for treated wood called IS436 and if you buy poles to this standard they have an 'expected service life' of 15 years and this is with Spruce. There is another standard IS435 and it has a service life of either 20 or 30 years but this is with Pine wood and probably larch spp... hope this helps!

reilig

Jack180570 wrote: »

most of the post offered for sale which are treated do not carry ANY guarantee, indeed they do not even have an 'expected service life'.... there is a Government standard for treated wood called IS436 and if you buy poles to this standard they have an 'expected service life' of 15 years and this is with Spruce. There is another standard IS435 and it has a service life of either 20 or 30 years but this is with Pine wood and probably larch spp... hope this helps!

Locally, Connacht gold sell a pentagon post and rail which they offer a 15 year guarantee on. They have cheaper stuf which is square and has an 8 year guarantee. FRS offer guarantees on most of the posts that they sell too. They vairy from 5 to 10 years. McHale offer post and rail fences with a similar guarantee to FRS.

When I prices standish sawmills, they offer from 8 to 12 year guarantees. The longest guarantee being on the pressure treated creosote posts.

Pricing a post and rail fence for around the house at the moment.

Muckit

reilig wrote: »

Pricing a post and rail fence for around the house at the moment.

I think they look a lovely fence alright for that. I'm sure you are going with 4+ rails. 3 just looks mean!;)

epfff

Pricing a post and rail fence for around the house at the moment.[/Quote]

Same story here house and driveway
Had to go to doctor after i got prices

49801

brother wanted something simulare with zero maintainance.
he got plastic post from gallagher and ran 4 strands of through them. Looks quite good really. he really liked the old metal estate fencing but would not go near them when he got the price. He is happy with what he now has. Just another option to consider.

lakill Farm

May 2011 i got the bro in law to put up a 4 rail stud fence around part of the house and fence some paddocks for calves (2 strands of lectric wire)

He only uses PDM, they do the posts for ESB & Eircom. When he cut the rails and posts the posts were 100 % penetrated with creto.

Only think is that this summer i redid the fence with a mix of burnt oil and creto to darken the rails. They put some up in the early 90s and still looks good. Thats 25 plus years.

PDM stuff is mad expensive but lasts.

PM i can organise supply or supply and fit

reilig

49801 wrote: »

brother wanted something simulare with zero maintainance.
he got plastic post from gallagher and ran 4 strands of through them. Looks quite good really. he really liked the old metal estate fencing but would not go near them when he got the price. He is happy with what he now has. Just another option to consider.

I remember as a young lad plastic posts were all the rage. However there was one major problem with them, after a few years of use they seemed to come up out of the ground themselves and fences went crooked, got lose and some fell. I heard that in order to keep them from coming up they have to be moulded with threads and screwed in with an adapted auger.

I wonder how these plastic coated posts fair out?

Another problem is that plastic fades and goes brittle over a few years and there is no way to treat it for this.

49801

reilig wrote: »

I remember as a young lad plastic posts were all the rage. However there was one major problem with them, after a few years of use they seemed to come up out of the ground themselves and fences went crooked, got lose and some fell. I heard that in order to keep them from coming up they have to be moulded with threads and screwed in with an adapted auger.

I wonder how these plastic coated posts fair out?

Another problem is that plastic fades and goes brittle over a few years and there is no way to treat it for this.

brittleness is my concern too but I think plastic's technology has come a long way as well.

Brother dug small holes (rented a minidigger for a good few jobs) and used bags of quick concrete. It made the job very quick and the posts should not lean/move like you discribe.

Bizzum

In some cases it may suit to stick in a bit of whitethorn hedging behind the post and rail fence. When the fence is dated there will be a good hedge in it's place!

reilig

49801 wrote: »

Brother dug small holes (rented a minidigger for a good few jobs) and used bags of quick concrete. It made the job very quick and the posts should not lean/move like you discribe.

That should be the business allright.

The plastic posts that i was talking about was with those plastic round posts that were driven into the ground with a mallet.

NewBeefFarmer

49801 wrote: »

brother wanted something simulare with zero maintainance.
he got plastic post from gallagher and ran 4 strands of through them. Looks quite good really. he really liked the old metal estate fencing but would not go near them when he got the price. He is happy with what he now has. Just another option to consider.

where can you get these? are they on a website?. . i have probably 500/600 meters to fence. . . not now, im busy typing, but some stage in 2020. .

i havent seen this one though!. . . might look good too

49801

NewBeefFarmer wrote: »

where can you get these? are they on a website?. . i have probably 500/600 meters to fence. . . not now, im busy typing, but some stage in 2020. .

i havent seen this one though!. . . might look good too

He got them from the galagher fencing crowd near the kinsale road round about in Cork. Were not cheap though. 5-7euro a post i'd say. Still a fair bit cheaper that post and rail I'd say though.

jfc have a plastic post too but not as nice imo

Pulsating Star

NewBeefFarmer wrote: »

... . not now, im busy typing, but some stage in 2020. .

LOL, that's some forward planning!

locky76

reilig wrote: »

Locally, Connacht gold sell a pentagon post and rail which they offer a 15 year guarantee on. They have cheaper stuf which is square and has an 8 year guarantee. FRS offer guarantees on most of the posts that they sell too. They vairy from 5 to 10 years. McHale offer post and rail fences with a similar guarantee to FRS.

When I prices standish sawmills, they offer from 8 to 12 year guarantees. The longest guarantee being on the pressure treated creosote posts.

Pricing a post and rail fence for around the house at the moment.

Go with PDM Reilig (http://www.pdm.ie/products_and_services/post_and_rail_fencing-12.html) and you won't regret it, their stuff is a liftetime job, I'd also go for the latvian rails for the extra few bob, the VAT back and write it off over 8 years will make it cheaper anyway;)

knownothing

right there 4+ is the way to go