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A must to play.

  • 20-08-2012 11:02am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭


    I have played a lot of courses in Ireland but played The Heritage in Co.Laois yesterday and it is the best i have played in Ireland i have too say. I recommend anyone who hasnt to give it a go. Admittedly the bunkers need a lot of work to be done but as far as hole layouts is concerned it is the best i have played. This course could easily hold the Irish Open .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭padzer


    Played it on saturday and to say the bunkers need a lot of work is an understatement, maybe the weather has not been great but they shud have been out of play or at least some kind of pick and place ruling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭WRENALDO


    I do agree with you there they probably should be out of play had a few lies that were basically unplayable which is a shame because the rest of the course is amazing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭L.O.F.T


    WRENALDO wrote: »
    I have played a lot of courses in Ireland but played The Heritage in Co.Laois yesterday and it is the best i have played in Ireland i have too say.

    It may be the best in Laois but best in Ireland is a stretch and a big one at that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Corkblowin


    WRENALDO wrote: »
    I have played a lot of courses in Ireland but played The Heritage in Co.Laois yesterday and it is the best i have played in Ireland i have too say.

    Bit of a stretch alright - Adare Manor, Mount Juliet, Druids Glen, K Club, Fota Island, Concra Wood, Killarney Killeen, Dromoland would all be well ahead of it IMO - and thats just the parkland courses. Any of the top Links would be ahead of all those!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭brick tamland


    Played it recently and agree its a great course. Everything in great nick bar the bunkers. Rake and place should be in place in the shirt term but most should be filled in over the long term. Not sustainable. Well wort a round though


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭ftlnn


    Guys,

    Fantastic value and a fantastic course a must to experience is Macreddin in Aughrim. 25 weekdays 30 weekend both with buggy (essential). It has a lot of holes that would compete for a signature hole, the 3rd par 3 with a 40m elevated tee most memorable and the index 1 12th is television stuff. Only one weak hole 10th par 4, index 18 but still a tricky green. Facilities let it down though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭aidan18


    I Played the Heritage Co Laois recently. It did host the Sevy Cup a few years ago. It's a super course IMO and I would rate it up with The Monty at Carton House and both of the courses at the K-Club as one of the best courses in Leinster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭WRENALDO


    Thanks ftlnn will try Macreddin I have never played 25 euro with a buggy is some value alright although i never really bother with one though you say its essential so i imagine its a long track. Yes Aidan definitely one of the best in Leinster i was lucky to play the K-Club just the week beforehand and I though it was way better to be honest. I am sure there are better courses i havent played in Ireland yet which i cant wait to try. You have to say we are blessed in Ireland with the choice of courses we have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    Played the Heritage yesterday and thought it was a decent track without being blown away by it. There are many fine parkland courses I've yet to play in Ireland and this was one so it was nice to tick it off the list. Having said that, I don't think it's as good as a number of courses I have played, including Headfort New and my current number 1 (despite all of it's associations :p), the K Club.

    Possibly my biggest criticism of the place is maintenance, which has already been touched on in this forum. The fairway and greenside bunkers were in rag order, and some of the shrubbery and vegetation looked very unkept, noticeably around some of the water hazards which are actually partially obscured in places as a result. I read an article recently that claimed the difference between the pro game and the amateur game has never been more evident and that this was predominantly down to length and The Heritage pays tribute to this; it's a very long course with a very high average CSS but it was made to look easy by the pros in the Seve Trophy.

    Having said that, the fairways are very generous for the most part and it takes a truly wild shot to be punished severely which I admire. This is not necessarily the case with a number of 'old-school' parkland layouts such as my own place (Lucan GC) and (to a much lesser extent) well-respected tracks like Carlow or Mullingar, where you can occasionally hit awful tee shots and finish on adjoining fairways or in otherwise decent shape. There's none of that around The Heritage: a bad miscue will leave you swimming or in deep rough, which makes the course tough but very fair.

    On that note however, I must return to the bunkers, specifically the fairway traps. I don't know if they were always so shallow but to pros and decent amateurs, they are no hazard whatsoever. In fact, on at least 2 or 3 holes (most obviously 3 and 12) I found myself bunkered down the right but in better shape than my playing partners down the middle of the fairway because the 1) sand was so compacted 2)the lips were non-existent and 3) I was on a straighter, shorter line to the green than they were because I'd cut off the dog-leg by (unintentionally) driving into the sand! This, unfortunately, suggests that the course design fell into the American habit of fashioning bunkers for reasons that have more to do with aesthetics than strategy. That they built more than they were able to maintain just adds insult to injury.

    There are some standout holes of course. 9 and 18 both run parallel to a spectacular water hazard and are both strong par 4s. The 4th hole is a serious par 3, like the 17th at Naas on steroids. Very difficult, and a par 3 you're almost glad to get out of the way early so you've time to make up for the damage it's done to your card!
    With the exception of large scale water and bunker hazards however, there is a very bare feel to the Heritage imho. There's very little in the way of mature trees framing holes, something that I think the K Club does spectacularly well and the 'wide-open' sensation, though sometimes misleading, is something I felt on almost every tee. Having said that, the course is only a decade old so I can't completely rule out the possibility that it could be very special given a few more years. I only hope it survives for the necessary amount of time!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 dublindave27


    I only played it once, in the "good times" and it was a cracking course - I do here alot of people comment on bunkers in the majority of courses nowadays, problem is greenkeepers have a lot cost cutting to do these days and bunkers generally go down the pecking list, and with the bad weather over the summer, the bunkers never got a chance to drain properly, also alot of people dont realise that bunkers on can take up to 3 months of solid work to get them back to good playing conditions - but yeah the heritage is class!!! :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Tonmar


    WRENALDO wrote: »
    I have played a lot of courses in Ireland but played The Heritage in Co.Laois yesterday and it is the best i have played in Ireland i have too say. I recommend anyone who hasnt to give it a go. Admittedly the bunkers need a lot of work to be done but as far as hole layouts is concerned it is the best i have played. This course could easily hold the Irish Open .

    Playing there on Saturday , I last played there 4 years ago and it pissed down for the whole game ,but I have to agree with you its a super track.the tee boxes are better than most greens in the country


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Played the Heritage yesterday and thought it was a decent track without being blown away by it. There are many fine parkland courses I've yet to play in Ireland and this was one so it was nice to tick it off the list. Having said that, I don't think it's as good as a number of courses I have played, including Headfort New and my current number 1 (despite all of it's associations :p), the K Club.

    Possibly my biggest criticism of the place is maintenance, which has already been touched on in this forum. The fairway and greenside bunkers were in rag order, and some of the shrubbery and vegetation looked very unkept, noticeably around some of the water hazards which are actually partially obscured in places as a result. I read an article recently that claimed the difference between the pro game and the amateur game has never been more evident and that this was predominantly down to length and The Heritage pays tribute to this; it's a very long course with a very high average CSS but it was made to look easy by the pros in the Seve Trophy.

    Having said that, the fairways are very generous for the most part and it takes a truly wild shot to be punished severely which I admire. This is not necessarily the case with a number of 'old-school' parkland layouts such as my own place (Lucan GC) and (to a much lesser extent) well-respected tracks like Carlow or Mullingar, where you can occasionally hit awful tee shots and finish on adjoining fairways or in otherwise decent shape. There's none of that around The Heritage: a bad miscue will leave you swimming or in deep rough, which makes the course tough but very fair.

    On that note however, I must return to the bunkers, specifically the fairway traps. I don't know if they were always so shallow but to pros and decent amateurs, they are no hazard whatsoever. In fact, on at least 2 or 3 holes (most obviously 3 and 12) I found myself bunkered down the right but in better shape than my playing partners down the middle of the fairway because the 1) sand was so compacted 2)the lips were non-existent and 3) I was on a straighter, shorter line to the green than they were because I'd cut off the dog-leg by (unintentionally) driving into the sand! This, unfortunately, suggests that the course design fell into the American habit of fashioning bunkers for reasons that have more to do with aesthetics than strategy. That they built more than they were able to maintain just adds insult to injury.

    There are some standout holes of course. 9 and 18 both run parallel to a spectacular water hazard and are both strong par 4s. The 4th hole is a serious par 3, like the 17th at Naas on steroids. Very difficult, and a par 3 you're almost glad to get out of the way early so you've time to make up for the damage it's done to your card!
    With the exception of large scale water and bunker hazards however, there is a very bare feel to the Heritage imho. There's very little in the way of mature trees framing holes, something that I think the K Club does spectacularly well and the 'wide-open' sensation, though sometimes misleading, is something I felt on almost every tee. Having said that, the course is only a decade old so I can't completely rule out the possibility that it could be very special given a few more years. I only hope it survives for the necessary amount of time!

    Great Review.

    It was a crazy new idea for Ireland. It was a great place to see and in fairness to the guy who made it , it was top class finish, tee boxes and fairways, distance markers.

    Hit a 5 iron to 18 inches on 4th (near hole in 1) and missed putt (i'm a loser :confused::mad::o:))

    These places are too big too keep, it was grand when there was plenty of money , but it will be a steady decline in most, you can see it, and when you let them go, it is very hard to get back. NAMA places I've played are in poorish condition. Hard for the staff when the number is halved , it is a min min approach.

    Some think the Heritage is not even the best in Laois - The Heath or Portarlington - Not a fan of The Heath myself.

    Mount Juilet , miles ahead of The Heritage.

    A Links anyday anyway, but none in Laois :P:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭ForeRight


    Pitchmark what's a "hole and 1" ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭WRENALDO


    Played the Heritage yesterday and thought it was a decent track without being blown away by it. There are many fine parkland courses I've yet to play in Ireland and this was one so it was nice to tick it off the list. Having said that, I don't think it's as good as a number of courses I have played, including Headfort New and my current number 1 (despite all of it's associations :p), the K Club.

    Possibly my biggest criticism of the place is maintenance, which has already been touched on in this forum. The fairway and greenside bunkers were in rag order, and some of the shrubbery and vegetation looked very unkept, noticeably around some of the water hazards which are actually partially obscured in places as a result. I read an article recently that claimed the difference between the pro game and the amateur game has never been more evident and that this was predominantly down to length and The Heritage pays tribute to this; it's a very long course with a very high average CSS but it was made to look easy by the pros in the Seve Trophy.

    Having said that, the fairways are very generous for the most part and it takes a truly wild shot to be punished severely which I admire. This is not necessarily the case with a number of 'old-school' parkland layouts such as my own place (Lucan GC) and (to a much lesser extent) well-respected tracks like Carlow or Mullingar, where you can occasionally hit awful tee shots and finish on adjoining fairways or in otherwise decent shape. There's none of that around The Heritage: a bad miscue will leave you swimming or in deep rough, which makes the course tough but very fair.

    On that note however, I must return to the bunkers, specifically the fairway traps. I don't know if they were always so shallow but to pros and decent amateurs, they are no hazard whatsoever. In fact, on at least 2 or 3 holes (most obviously 3 and 12) I found myself bunkered down the right but in better shape than my playing partners down the middle of the fairway because the 1) sand was so compacted 2)the lips were non-existent and 3) I was on a straighter, shorter line to the green than they were because I'd cut off the dog-leg by (unintentionally) driving into the sand! This, unfortunately, suggests that the course design fell into the American habit of fashioning bunkers for reasons that have more to do with aesthetics than strategy. That they built more than they were able to maintain just adds insult to injury.

    There are some standout holes of course. 9 and 18 both run parallel to a spectacular water hazard and are both strong par 4s. The 4th hole is a serious par 3, like the 17th at Naas on steroids. Very difficult, and a par 3 you're almost glad to get out of the way early so you've time to make up for the damage it's done to your card!
    With the exception of large scale water and bunker hazards however, there is a very bare feel to the Heritage imho. There's very little in the way of mature trees framing holes, something that I think the K Club does spectacularly well and the 'wide-open' sensation, though sometimes misleading, is something I felt on almost every tee. Having said that, the course is only a decade old so I can't completely rule out the possibility that it could be very special given a few more years. I only hope it survives for the necessary amount of time!
    Super post ! Hope it survives too would be terrible to see such a great place go to ruin .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    ForeRight wrote: »
    Pitchmark what's a "hole and 1" ?

    lol,

    sorry, that was another time in Laois. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭ForeRight


    ForeRight wrote: »
    Pitchmark what's a "hole and 1" ?

    lol,

    sorry, that was another time in Laois. ;)


    I hope she was sub 80 ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    ForeRight wrote: »
    I hope she was sub 80 ;)

    Look at this stage, I'll take it anyway - sorry off topic.:p


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    I love playing the Heritage, fantastic course but like what has been said too many times - the bunkers are terrible and we mentioned it before that some of them should be filled in if they are not going to me maintained.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭mafc


    charlieIRL wrote: »
    I love playing the Heritage, fantastic course but like what has been said too many times - the bunkers are terrible and we mentioned it before that some of them should be filled in if they are not going to me maintained.

    Ya shouldn't be in the bunkers ;)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    mafc wrote: »
    Ya shouldn't be in the bunkers ;)

    sure i know that. who ever aims for a bunker!!!!!!

    still if they are on a course, they should be payable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    While we are talking about 'must plays' what is boardsies favourite parkland/woodland course in Ireland? So far mine is the o'meara at carton house. Also loved mount Juliet. Have not played many of the big name courses but down to play Killeen castle in two weeks time so looking forward to that...


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    Played Mount Wolseley earlier this year and loved it. Tullamore is another fantastic course that i would recommend to play.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    Carlow is a brilliant course, hardly a weak hole on it. Mullingar and Tullamore are the other two established gems of the midlands and both are well worth a crack, even if I would rate Carlow higher. The K Club Palmer course is still the best parkland I've played; when it's maintenance is up to scratch and the green fees are occasionally brought back to reality, it's a real treat.

    Played Killeen Castle and hope to do so again in September; nice course, lots of water and bunkers and quite long. Reminds me a lot of the Heritage actually.

    Would love to play Adare Manor, Mt. Juliet and Druids Glen and the 'new kid', Concra Wood, but hasn't happened yet. I'd expect one or all of them to challenge The K for my number 1 spot, so I'll have to make it happen!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭decko11


    have played a few of the parkland and rank as follows

    1. K Club Palmer
    2. Mt Juliet
    3 Carlow
    4. Malone
    5 Adare


    wouldnt include Heritage in same league as above - but its very nice all the same


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    charlieIRL wrote: »
    Played Mount Wolseley earlier this year and loved it. Tullamore is another fantastic course that i would recommend to play.
    When you say tullamore, is that esker hills?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    When you say tullamore, is that esker hills?

    No different golf course. Tullamore easily the better of the two.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    No different golf course. Tullamore easily the better of the two.

    Yupp, Tullamore just has that edge over Esker Hills.

    Can't take anything from Esker Hills either as its a smashing course as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Esker hills for me. A bit wacky and unusual . . played both and tullamore is a solid Irish parkland course. but one in every county . not too many esker hills around. this debate is available in every county .


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