ILS at Cork Airport

Nonoperational

The arrivals list at Cork today is a sorry sight. Non Operational ILS for over 2 weeks, no eta for when it might be back and only today after 2 weeks a statement that says nothing on the IAA website http://www.iaa.ie/index.jsp?p=93&n=96&a=1205


Surely they could do better than that considering the location of the airport. Must be costing the airlines a few quid.

Su Campu

EICK - CORK
+ ILS APPROACH RWY 17 UNSERVISABLE
FROM: 17 AUG 2012 15:35 TO: 26 AUG 2012 18:00 A1343/12

smurfjed

Notams show the ILS being downgraded from CAT II to CAT I on the 14th and going out of service on 17th and back on 26th. I guess that they didnt expect weather like this in August...

EICK 171830Z 19011KT 0400 R17/0400D R35/0450N -DZ FG OVC001 16/16 Q1004 TEMPO 0300
EICK 171800Z 20010KT 0500 R17/0550D R35/0500N -DZ FG OVC001 16/16 Q1004 TEMPO 0300
EICK 171730Z 19014KT 0400 R17/0550N R35/0650N -DZ FG OVC001 16/16 Q1004 TEMPO 0300
EICK 171700Z 19012KT 0500 R17/1400D R35/0900U -RA FG OVC001 16/16 Q1003 TEMPO 0300S

smurfjed

Su Campu

Nice August weather alright! Cork and Knock are the two airports that really do need a serviCEable ILS. (You'd think they'd spell Unserviceable correctly in the notam!)

Bearcat

Some Aer Lingus flights running well late.....I'd say knock on of fog this morn.

2012/08/18 12:24
TAF TAF EICK 181100Z 1812/1912 18013KT 9999 SCT008 BKN018
TEMPO 1812/1819 BKN008
BECMG 1819/1821 5000 BR BKN005
TEMPO 1821/1909 0300 FG -DZ BKN001
BECMG 1900/1902 17009KT
BECMG 1910/1912 9999 NSW BKN010

Might be tricky later. Stonking tail wind for 35 ILS. It's still cat1.?

roundymac

Read on pprune that the ILS is repaired but no aircraft available until early sept to calibrate the system. Considering the problems that Dublin had with it's atc a couple of years ago can all this be put down to (a) bad luck; (b) poor maintenance; (c) buying crap equiptment that is not suitable for the job. If this was the private sector some one would be handed their P45.

kub

roundymac wrote: »

Read on pprune that the ILS is repaired but no aircraft available until early sept to calibrate the system. Considering the problems that Dublin had with it's atc a couple of years ago can all this be put down to (a) bad luck; (b) poor maintenance; (c) buying crap equiptment that is not suitable for the job. If this was the private sector some one would be handed their P45.

On the ball re the P45, as this is another public service body the usual nobody responsible and accountable standard applies.
I wonder about Karma though, could one of these nice people be inconvenienced by this?

Bonnob

kub wrote: »

roundymac wrote: »

Read on pprune that the ILS is repaired but no aircraft available until early sept to calibrate the system. Considering the problems that Dublin had with it's atc a couple of years ago can all this be put down to (a) bad luck; (b) poor maintenance; (c) buying crap equiptment that is not suitable for the job. If this was the private sector some one would be handed their P45.

On the ball re the P45, as this is another public service body the usual nobody responsible and accountable standard applies.
I wonder about Karma though, could one of these nice people be inconvenienced by this?

Just a bit of info that I can give.. It was simply down to bad luck and nothing else.. I don't work for the IAA by the way! And they are hoping to start testing/calibration next week so fingers crossed it won't be too long before its all sorted..

Su Campu

The ILS is back fully operational since August 23rd.

http://www.iaa.ie/index.jsp?p=93&n=96&a=1205

23rd August 2012: The Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) confirms that following engineering work and extensive testing on its Instrument Landing System (ILS) for Runway 17 over recent days, Regulatory approval has been received for a restoration to Category 2 capability. Full ILS operations have, therefore, successfully been restored on this runway from this evening.
We would like to thank all our customers for their patience over the last two weeks.
The IAA remains committed at all times to the highest standards of safety.
Ends.

urajoke

kub wrote: »

On the ball re the P45, as this is another public service body the usual nobody responsible and accountable standard applies.
I wonder about Karma though, could one of these nice people be inconvenienced by this?

Not public sector but commercial semi state. Big difference but some similarities.

Jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts, who made you the judge jury and executioner eh ? I don't know the facts either by the way but I do know that high tech equipment breaks down. Should someone be sacked next time an Aerlingus airbus has a hydraulic failure ? Or a kettle breaks ?

roundymac

urajoke wrote: »

Not public sector but commercial semi state. Big difference but some similarities.

Jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts, who made you the judge jury and executioner eh ? I don't know the facts either by the way but I do know that high tech equipment breaks down. Should someone be sacked next time an Aerlingus airbus has a hydraulic failure ? Or a kettle breaks ?

You'v totally missed the point, what I and I think the majority of the posters are complaining about is the lack of urgency that was apparent in resolving the problem. What could'nt be resolved until the start of september suddenly was solved when it got into the public domain and a load of bad press and I would suspect a major kick in the butt for someone.
As to who made me judge and jury, I appointed myself of course, I'm shortly about to take a hangmans course then there'll be fun.:D:D:D

Growler!!!

roundymac wrote: »

what I and I think

Split personality??? Sorry couldnt resist:D

Kumsheen

roundymac wrote: »

Read on pprune that the ILS is repaired but no aircraft available until early sept to calibrate the system. Considering the problems that Dublin had with it's atc a couple of years ago can all this be put down to (a) bad luck; (b) poor maintenance; (c) buying crap equiptment that is not suitable for the job. If this was the private sector some one would be handed their P45.

But surely if this was planned maintenance the ILS calibrator would have been booked in advance.

Su Campu

roundymac wrote: »

Read on pprune that the ILS is repaired but no aircraft available until early sept to calibrate the system. Considering the problems that Dublin had with it's atc a couple of years ago can all this be put down to (a) bad luck; (b) poor maintenance; (c) buying crap equiptment that is not suitable for the job. If this was the private sector some one would be handed their P45.

Kumsheen wrote: »

But surely if this was planned maintenance the ILS calibrator would have been booked in advance.

See, the bit in red is your problem. It was obviously not planned maintenance in that the thing broke down, as does a lot of equipment. It has been fixed 4 days ago so obviously all this waffle about lack of urgency is unfounded. It's the usual blame-the-public-sector at all costs attitude (even though it's not the public sector, but don't let the facts get in the way) and it gets a little pathetic after a while. :rolleyes:

Dacian

Su Campu wrote: »

.....Cork and Knock are the two airports that really do need a serviCEable ILS. (You'd think they'd spell Unserviceable correctly in the notam!)

I always thought that was deliberate, to reduce the numbers of digits need to convey the message.

roundymac

Su Campu wrote: »

See, the bit in red is your problem. It was obviously not planned maintenance in that the thing broke down, as does a lot of equipment. It has been fixed 4 days ago so obviously all this waffle about lack of urgency is unfounded. It's the usual blame-the-public-sector at all costs attitude (even though it's not the public sector, but don't let the facts get in the way) and it gets a little pathetic after a while. :rolleyes:

Wrong Su Campo, it was not due to be restored to service until this day week( 3rd sept) hence the urgency. It was only when some ones arse got kicked that a way around the problem was found. and, yes I do know that it broke down. I suspect that if it was Dub that had the problem then the attitude on this thread from some of the posters would have been far different.

urajoke

roundymac wrote: »

You'v totally missed the point, what I and I think the majority of the posters are complaining about is the lack of urgency that was apparent in resolving the problem. What could'nt be resolved until the start of september suddenly was solved when it got into the public domain and a load of bad press and I would suspect a major kick in the butt for someone.
As to who made me judge and jury, I appointed myself of course, I'm shortly about to take a hangmans course then there'll be fun.:D:D:D

Roundymc I quoted Kub and not you for a start. Are you and he the same person/user ?

I haven't missed your point or any point. I am not jumping to conclusions unlike you and others. People have been adding 1+1 and getting 32 and then saying this wouldn't happen in the private sector (bristol airport closed because of a lack of grooves in the runway, private sector airport) what ever that has to do with it.

kub

urajoke wrote: »

Roundymc I quoted Kub and not you for a start. Are you and he the same person/user ?

I haven't missed your point or any point. I am not jumping to conclusions unlike you and others. People have been adding 1+1 and getting 32 and then saying this wouldn't happen in the private sector (bristol airport closed because of a lack of grooves in the runway, private sector airport) what ever that has to do with it.

Good evening Urajoke, firstly just to answer your query as above, I am not Roundymac and have never claimed to be.

Regarding your original post regarding judge, jury etc, all I was doing was agreeing with Roundymac's original post. Also as you can probably see, he also received 3 thank you's from other posters.

So I do agree that technical faults can occur ( I make a living from them ). Especially if the correct equipment as not purchased originally, this was mentioned on Roundymac's post, so I assumed that he knew something which I did not, regarding the actual ILS equipment.

However I will still stand by comments re the public/ civil service / semi state organisations when it comes to accountability and responsibility.

roundymac

urajoke wrote: »

Roundymc I quoted Kub and not you for a start. Are you and he the same person/user ?
Apologies urajoke, night shift tends to scramble the brain However I too stand over my comments re the public/semi state sector and the IAA in this case.

urajoke

roundymac wrote: »

Wrong Su Campo, it was not due to be restored to service until this day week( 3rd sept) hence the urgency. It was only when some ones arse got kicked that a way around the problem was found. and, yes I do know that it broke down. I suspect that if it was Dub that had the problem then the attitude on this thread from some of the posters would have been far different.

Or Flight precision got a late cancellation and were able to flight check the ILS sooner than planned.

I'm sure the attitude would have been different as possibly 10 times the amount of aircraft and passengers would have been inconvenienced and ten times the amount of people would have been responding on here, there again they didn't build Dublin airport 486ft up a hill.

roundymac

No it has not not been checked yet, permission was sought and received from Eurocontrol to operate as is, it still will not be fully calibrated until next week.
Eurocontrol granted catII on runway 17 providing that it is tested within one week;ie;03/09/12.

Johnny901

I am surprised that people keep mentioning Eurocontrol, what do they have to do with the regulation of Nav Aids in Ireland ?

roundymac

Johnny901 wrote: »

I am surprised that people keep mentioning Eurocontrol, what do they have to do with the regulation of Nav Aids in Ireland ?

Don't know.

A320

Eurocontrol are the bosses of ATC in Europe,Who govern the IAA

kub

A320 wrote: »

Eurocontrol are the bosses of ATC in Europe,Who govern the IAA

Of course they are, same as everything so, Europe are our masters.

basill

Eurocontrol are the bosses of ATC in Europe,Who govern the IAA

You need to hit your textbooks. Eurocontrol are responsible for governing ATC and implementing their "single sky" aims to facilitate air travel across the EU. EASA and formerly JAA are the ones responsible for governing the regulation of airlines, private aircraft, AOCs etc etc in this part of the world. The FAA do the same in the US and in other parts of the world who adopt their standards. Transport Canada in...well I will let you work that one out.

Then there is ICAO who has an overall oversight and attempts to standardise everything across the globe and the list goes on and on of all of the other organisations that fit somewhere in the jigsaw puzzle.....

Just to be clear though, ATC do not govern us pilots. They are there to assist us to safely conduct our flights. Likewise we always try to assist them in their work. Its good airmanship to help them out as afterall we are not the only ones flying around in a busy sky. If you disagree with an ATC instruction then all you have to say is "negative". We say it all the time...

A320

basill wrote: »

Just to be clear though, ATC do not govern us pilots.

Engineers do :D:D