Thoughts of repo rare arcade carts? (Ikaruga / Sega Naomi)

KeRbDoG

I've just been offered this and I'm unsure what the real benefit it would be since I already have a NetDimm (nearly like a flash cart) for my Naomi2.

I know folks don't like repo home console carts but what be your thoughts (if any) of repo rare arcade carts?

KeRbDoG

Oh, another;

Pyongyang

I'm undecided. It's a nice way to have the games working on your cabinet but then, it's not the real deal and you're paying for something that isn't real. That said I have the Modbios G-Net system which is grand. Although some games I'd like to buy the cards for in future.

Something like Progear though, I'd consider I think. Mainly because of the price it commands, you'd never get one unless you were super lucky to find a legit one and also super rich.

Jack burton

Well depends how much they are against the price of the real deal, personally I'd get these becuase I'm not hugely into collecting for arcades, just into playing them more so

CiDeRmAn

Pyongyang wrote: »

Something like Progear though, I'd consider I think. Mainly because of the price it commands, you'd never get one unless you were super lucky to find a legit one and also super rich.

I bet Steve already has two!

Retr0gamer

Radiant silvergun STV I've seen selling for quite cheap, I wouldn't pay over the odds for a repro. The saturn version is superior.

Pyongyang

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I bet Steve already has two!

Possibly. But you need to know exactly what you are buying if you want a legit Progear. It's ridiculously hard to find, hence the astronomical price a legit board commands.

I'd consider a conversion or a phoenixed version if the price was right. Cheapest conversion I saw was around €350 I think.

You need to examine the case sticker as even those are bootlegged, even on legit boards.

It's an incredible game though, I prefer it to Akai Katana (although both are brilliant games of course).

o1s1n

350 euro for any CPS2 conversion board is ridiculous! It doesn't matter what game it is, a conversion is a conversion. They'd all be made the same way.

I was reading up on how it's done and it doesn't seem to be that hard of a process. If you really wanted one you could probably just buy a cheap CPS2 board and do it yourself.

Myrddin

Pyongyang wrote: »

I'd consider a conversion or a phoenixed version if the price was right

Big difference between the two. A conversion is another game hacked/converted into Progear, a phoenixed progear is all original, right down to the original rom chips. So to me, a phoenixed version is way more desireable than a conversion

Pyongyang

True. I just meant that if a phoenixed version was priced right I'd consider it. But the price would be mighty and the board difficult to source.

Hmm, a conversion sounds like an interesting DIY project. Could be worth a look-in...

EDIT: Interesting!

http://ikotsu.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/progear-capcom-cps2-cavecapcom-2001.html

Myrddin

Pyongyang wrote: »

True. I just meant that if a phoenixed version was priced right I'd consider it. But the price would be mighty and the board difficult to source.

Hmm, a conversion sounds like an interesting DIY project. Could be worth a look-in...

EDIT: Interesting!

http://ikotsu.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/progear-capcom-cps2-cavecapcom-2001.html

I'd a conversion SSF2HAE before, they're an ugly hack unless you have the right donor board. The one I got didn't & was missing certain sounds etc as the donor board wasn't a high enough revision.

Tbh, unless the board is stock, it's just not worth the hassle. With the likes of JPAC solutions available now, it's easier to turn a pc into a pcb without having to modify the cab's internals.

o1s1n

I think a CPS2 Vampire Savior doesn't need any soldering to convert into a Progear.

Worth looking into I think. Wouldn't mind one myself!

I'd forgotten about that converted SSF2HAE Enternow, I think that's up in my Grandparents attic stored away with all my other goodies!

Myrddin

o1s1n wrote: »

I think a CPS2 Vampire Savior doesn't need any soldering to convert into a Progear.

Worth looking into I think. Wouldn't mind one myself!!

I dunno, I've always hated the thoughts of killing one game to make another. Unless its something totally rubbish I'd feel bad doing it

Re that SSF2HAE, if you dump all the roms on that board onto a G revision board, it should be perfect as far as I remember

Pyongyang

Hmm, I'm going to look in to it. It'd be an interesting project to document I think. I'll price it up and see where the land lies then. If it's worth it, I'll seriously consider doing it.*


*aka, ruin the board with dodgy soldering then post here asking for help.

Myrddin

Pyongyang wrote: »

Hmm, I'm going to look in to it. It'd be an interesting project to document I think. I'll price it up and see where the land lies then. If it's worth it, I'll seriously consider doing it.*


*aka, ruin the board with dodgy soldering then post here asking for help.

You do know that owning a hacked g-net & a converted cps2 board means we won't be listening to any purist cr@p off you in the future?

o1s1n

EnterNow wrote: »

I dunno, I've always hated the thoughts of killing one game to make another. Unless its something totally rubbish I'd feel bad doing it

Re that SSF2HAE, if you dump all the roms on that board onto a G revision board, it should be perfect as far as I remember

Same, that's one of the reasons I hate repro carts and all that jazz.

But as far as CPS2 goes, if a game is dead due to a dead battery and it's a cheap common game nobody wants, then maybe it's not such a crime to convert it?

I don't fancy making a total hack job, but if it's just a matter of clipping in some Progear eeproms in place of the Vampire Savior ones then maybe it's not so bad.

Myrddin

o1s1n wrote: »

Same, that's one of the reasons I hate repro carts and all that jazz.

But as far as CPS2 goes, if a game is dead due to a dead battery and it's a cheap common game nobody wants, then maybe it's not such a crime to convert it?

I don't fancy making a total hack job, but if it's just a matter of clipping in some Progear eeproms in place of the Vampire Savior ones then maybe it's not so bad.

Yeah true, a dead board is a dead board & it either has to be phoenixed or converted to ever be used again...good point.

Re clipping in the roms, I think its just a case of that with a G revision board...it also has to have a certain value hex invertor but its prob standard on a G revision anyway

Pyongyang

EnterNow wrote: »

You do know that owning a hacked g-net & a converted cps2 board means we won't be listening to any purist cr@p off you in the future?

Still 95% purist!

Myrddin

Pyongyang wrote: »

Still 95% purist!

Thats just hypocritical man, a purist wouldn't use a hacked g-net

o1s1n

Sure he's all over MAME these days too. He'll be converting that Astro to a MAME cab in no time - LCD computer panel and all :pac:

Myrddin

It's like saying I'm 95% vegetarian. I don't eat meat except for on Friday nights when I get some yummy take away

Sorry Sparks, your now part of the filth like the rest of us. I think only Steve & Casey have halo's on them now

Steve X2

EnterNow wrote: »

It's like saying I'm 95% vegetarian. I don't eat meat except for on Friday nights when I get some yummy take away

Sorry Sparks, your now part of the filth like the rest of us. I think only Steve & Casey have halo's on them now

Nah, not me. I'm no purist and love my Hyperspin setup on the candy.
Sometimes I play the game on that rather than get it and install inside the cab. A lot of my PCB's are stored in my storage locker as well so it saves a trip.
Also, yes I have Progear as well as most of the desirable cps2 boards
On that note, I have a stack of cps2 boards that need some phoenix love before they meet an untimely death/suicide.