Hurling V's Football

footballdoc

Just wanted to ask the question to both hurling and football men their opinion on why hurling coaches and hurling people have such disregard for Gaelic football? not saying saying that there is like wise opinions from football people to hurling, but no where near to the same extent or the same %, and why there is that split there between both Gaa codes and where and when did it all come from?

enda1

Well they're very different games. Yes there are similarities in particular the scoring, pitch etc. but there are great differences in the technique and manner of play. I'd say that it's more on the club and county rivalry level where there'd be any jibing about the other level, whereas the coaches and players at senior intercounty in particular would respect each other equally.

Some love the power, physicality and ferociousness of football.
Others love the technique deftness skill and scoring of hurling.
And some love both.

corny

enda1 wrote: »

Well they're very different games. Yes there are similarities in particular the scoring, pitch etc. but there are great differences in the technique and manner of play. I'd say that it's more on the club and county rivalry level where there'd be any jibing about the other level, whereas the coaches and players at senior intercounty in particular would respect each other equally.

Some love the power, physicality and ferociousness of football.
Others love the technique deftness skill and scoring of hurling.
And some love both.

Your adjectives are interchangeable! I like the power, physicality and ferociousness of Hurling.;)

I like both games tbh but if the level of cynicism and cheating in football (at inter county level) keeps rising i might become one of the people the op describes.

blackbelt

I think any real conflict between the 2 codes is over dual players.Here in Dublin, we have had that with the likes of Keaney and Shane Ryan defecting to the footballers while in their prime only to wind up their careers playing hurling while Dotsy O Callaghan chose hurling over football.More currently the likes of Ciaran Kilkenny and Dermot Connolly are fine hurlers but have declared for the senior footballers.

Cormac Costello is another dual star with potential who is on both minor teams.It will be interesting to see which code he chooses.It is my fear that the future of Dublin hurling may be curbed because of the tradition of football in the county.I think there is an abundance of talented footballers here so I hope that the hurlers will get more of a look in.

I know there had been some conlict between Daly and Gilroy in 2010 for Keaney but Gilroy texted Daly to congratulate the hurlers on the league final in 2011.Some conflict is bound to happen in those situations.If Lucey for Limerick and Cadogan for Cork were not able to commit to both, I would say naturally there would be conflict there.

randd1

Some hurling lads have a downer of football purely because the GAA and the GAA media are dominated by football men, and within the GAA its the football men ultimately who make decisions regarding the games, rules, competition structures etc. on the basis of whats best for football, not both.

Some football lads have a downer on hurling as they see it as a threat to their own game.

I honestly think there should be a central committee that deals with things like player welfare, discipline and organising games but that there should be different boards setup for both the hurling and the football with hurling men only in the hurling and football men only in the football so that the games are properly run by the people who are acting in the best interests of their sport rather than having people who are acting in the best interests of their sport to the detriment of the other.

I think two separate boards would go a long way to sorting out the antagonism.

premierstone

randd1 wrote: »

I think two separate boards would go a long way to sorting out the antagonism.

In theory I would agree, but I'm not so sure it would work in practise, We tried something similar here in Tipp a number of years ago and we had a seperate County Board for Football and a different one for Hurling, it was an unmitigated disaster, the result of which was Hurling got stronger and Football got ignored, I'd fear the same would happen in reverse on a National level, the Football borad would have far more support and resources.

With regard to the OP shur everyone knows that Football was only invented for guys that couldn't hurl

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Perhaps it's because football is the far more popular sport.

As regards to different county boards, it's done in Galway (only county to do so), and afaik there aren't any problems between the boards.

ardmacha

Earlier this Anthony Cunningham guided Garrycastle footballers to an All ireland final where they were beaten by a team with many All Irelands in Amber and Black. He is presently managing Galway hurlers who will probably also be beaten in an All Ireland final by a team with many All Irelands in Amber and Black.

Mountainlad

ardmacha wrote: »

Earlier this Anthony Cunningham guided Garrycastle footballers to an All ireland final where they were beaten by a team with many All Irelands in Amber and Black. He is presently managing Galway hurlers who will probably also be beaten in an All Ireland final by a team with many All Irelands in Amber and Black.

Ok?

And that is relevant, why?

Stoner

Maybe I am completely wrong here, but my take on this is that most people who played hurling at some level prefer it. Kevin Moran for example, great GAA Football player and Soccer player, favorite game, hurling. Niall Quinn was the same held records a minor level. Irwin, Keane, long, Doyle would all talk about hurling in interviews, but never about football, Paul McShane does though

I think there is a little more skill hurling it is unique and people identify with it, it always was my favorite game. It takes time to learn any hurling skill. Signs on it look at what can happen with football teams eg Donegal this year and with Kildare over the past few years. Loais could be on that road too. New manager a bunch of decent players who are very committed but not exactly fantastic footballers they can get themselves on the football map.

In Donegal the great man Jimmy could not put together a hurling team.

Yet success is a great thing. As much as I love the game of hurling I rate a win in football more, so as a Dub, even though my county won the AI in football last year I would rather win the football again, possibly because I've had more good days supporting the football than i have hurling. Or because its played everywhere nearly and it really is an All Ireland.

Anyway I think that if someone played both, that they are more likely to have a soft spot for hurling, IMHO.

footballdoc

i have been coaching mens football for the last two years at a farly decent level, and this year i have taken on been a selector for my club hurling team, i done maily the preseason physical drills. in my time involved with the hurling on more than one occassion the other selectors and the Hurling Manager have stood up and said to the players at the end of a league and championship match, that basically there wasting there time playing Gaelic football and should burst every football that comes in front of them along with the usual stuff, football is only played by those who cant hurl etc. the Hurling Manager seems to know his stuff, but really let himself down by this statment.
what would you do to counter act this in a positive way with info, stats, and reasons why it is improtant to play football too, as i manage the football team in the same club and have spent the last two years convincing the guys to play football when this is thrown in your face, it really zapps the motivation out from ya.
suppose i should mention that i do come from a Hurling county. :mad:

johnayo

Name the club:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

footballdoc

wont like to name the club, but in the south east.

deisedude

I have merged the two football v hurling threads as they are pretty much the same.

rebel girl 15

Its a force of numbers - there are a lot more fellas playing football than there are playing hurling. All you need to play football at the moment the way the game has gone is a decent level of fitness, the ability to catch a ball and handpass it. Hurling has three times the amount of skills to master in order to become good at it - which is where the hurling coaches seem to look down on the football.

premierstone

johnayo wrote: »

Name the club:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Wouldn't really achieve anything, same story could be told about practically 100's of clubs.

ardmacha

Mountainlad wrote: »

Ok?

And that is relevant, why?

The thread suggest that hurling coaches had a contempt for Gaelic football, Anthony Cunningham is an example of one who doesn't. Sometimes there is a gap, sometimes not.

Dangerous Man

footballdoc wrote: »

Just wanted to ask the question to both hurling and football men their opinion on why hurling coaches and hurling people have such disregard for Gaelic football? not saying saying that there is like wise opinions from football people to hurling, but no where near to the same extent or the same %, and why there is that split there between both Gaa codes and where and when did it all come from?

Petty rivalry, more than anything. My town is better than your town. My da can batter your da... my club is better than your club.

Stuff like this usually has no basis in reality - it's just small-mindedness.

Trigger13222

In Kerry any way there is distain towards hurling from the county board , pity it's such a more skill full game.

jimbo79

some call it hurling snobbery, i don't think that is fair in most counties hurling is just about surviving, you could have one hurling club to 4 football clubs it's a constant battle to try and get these lads in for training, i find it works vice versa in hurling counties like tipp and waterford

buck65

Our club is a dual club that was predominantly hurling but football is now at least equal billing. We have to share the players for training and are being outclassed by hurling only clubs now as there is less focus on the skills of hurling as we have only the players once a week if even that!
Football is killing hurling in clubs like ours.