yoga and grappling

manga_10

Hey everyone. I was curious if anyone on this board had trained BJJ and yoga at the same time? Or if anyone has heard of any pros supplementing their training with yoga ? Where did you notice the affects in your grappling, or did it hurt your training? I feel it is safe to assume that any type of yoga will help my game, but if anyone has any first hand experience or tips please let me know. Thanks

Dyr

manga_10 wrote: »

Hey everyone. I was curious if anyone on this board had trained BJJ and yoga at the same time?

I rolled with some guys in a yoga class once dude, they didn't have s**t and the teacher kicked me out for "assault".:rolleyes: Totally dead training method bro'

pablohoney87

As long as youre not using it in place of a bjj class it couldnt hurt to help with your flexability or balance. From what I understand progression in yoga is quite slow though so just like bjj patience will be key.
But in Ireland yoga is wuite expensive. Seen advertisements for 17 euro a class

rain on

I used to do yoga before I took up BJJ and MMA and I wish I still had the time to do it, it's very good for flexibility, and strength too to a lesser degree.

pearsquasher

Ideally, I think all Martial Artists should do yoga as well as their MA together. I did it for 6 month before a regular Bujinkan class and it was fantastic. The flexibility/core strength it gives you are perfect compliments to martial arts training. I literally do not have time to do both right now but if I did...

I think this is better than mixing flexibility training with a MA class... keep them separate and focused and practice them both every day.

For my own class where I teach, I show my students a range of flexibility exercises and expect them to practice in their own time outside class. Martial arts classes are for Martial Arts....

p to the e

Like Martial Arts there are many forms of Yoga and some may be more beneficial than others. I did Ashtanga Yoga (or power yoga) in college while I was training and the benefits were amazing as regards flexibility and strength. When college ended I ended up buying a book on it and just practising it in my room twice a week.

kungfu kid

my grappling is better now

SBG Ireland

if u train bjj properly you won't need it. if ur a bit of a spaz might be good for u.

Dermighty

SBG Ireland wrote: »

if u train bjj properly you won't need it. if ur a bit of a spaz might be good for u.

Civilian Personal Protection

In the early UFC days Royce Gracie can be saw doing Surya Namaskars (Salutations to the sun) - yoga set asanas (postures). I havn't spoke to Royce bout why he used it, he ain't the only one to though!

I'm a yoga teacher since 2000. Was taught it in HMP Maze, of all places. I've incorporated it into my system. No plug, just illustrating a point. Yoga has been tied into combat for centuries. Easily traced to Sikh warriors. Lately it has been used by elements in both Indian and USA military forces.

Besides flexibility, Hatha yoga can also be a discipline/way of life. That goes much beyond even the bodily aspect of Hatha. Even if one is doing Hatha!

Stress in combat is a big subject. One that is often over-looked. Research has shown (i haven't got it to hand, but can provide it in a week or two once I am back home) that stress can greatly affect a human's performance. My whole system is centered around dealing with stress. And absence of stress enables one to act optimally in any area of life. How this is applicable to any form of combat is self evident.

I've successfully tied Yoga into combat training. My training method's are as real as I can get away with. Our module - 'Yoga and Combat' - is sometimes lost of people who it would be assumed should know better.

Oh, also, one's core strength can greatly increase.

Bihar is good to start with. It's a gentle style. I trained in Iyengar. Ashtanga is made popular by celebs. 'Power Yoga' may mean Ashtanga, but can be any rigourous fitness type routine. Going slowly for concentration/spirituality, faster for fitness.

Oh, and unite the breath with the asansa (posture), else it ain't Yoga!!

warmest wishes

Wayne

EnjoyChoke

manga_10 wrote: »

Hey everyone. I was curious if anyone on this board had trained BJJ and yoga at the same time? Or if anyone has heard of any pros supplementing their training with yoga ? Where did you notice the affects in your grappling, or did it hurt your training? I feel it is safe to assume that any type of yoga will help my game, but if anyone has any first hand experience or tips please let me know. Thanks

If you want to get good at grappling, grapple. Yoga not required.
If you want to do a bit of Yoga because that rocks your boat, go for it.
Fundamentally, the only thing that actually improves your Jiu Jitsu, is actually doing Jiu Jitsu.

p to the e

Can I ask if you've tried Yoga? It's not all smelly hippies, although I do smell.

r_obric

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

If you want to get good at grappling, grapple. Yoga not required.
If you want to do a bit of Yoga because that rocks your boat, go for it.
Fundamentally, the only thing that actually improves your Jiu Jitsu, is actually doing Jiu Jitsu.

I disagree, lots of things help your grappling, and one of the most beneficial I ever found was yoga

CIARAN_BOYLE

I'm not talking for BJJ since I don't do but I'll talk a little more about martial arts in general

I'd place yoga in the same category as something like circuit training and other .

Balance and flexibility is what you get from yoga and they can never be a bad thing so if unless yoga means less time spent on your MA go for yoga.

RainMaker

It's good enough for Rickson...

EnjoyChoke

RainMaker wrote: »

It's good enough for Rickson...

Rickson also prays to the baby Jesus, believing that improves his game.

EnjoyChoke

r_obric wrote: »

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

If you want to get good at grappling, grapple. Yoga not required.
If you want to do a bit of Yoga because that rocks your boat, go for it.
Fundamentally, the only thing that actually improves your Jiu Jitsu, is actually doing Jiu Jitsu.

I disagree, lots of things help your grappling, and one of the most beneficial I ever found was yoga

Any strength and conditioning can improve the aplication of your game, by improving your attributes.
They don't make you " better" at Jiu Jitsu, if you know what I mean.

If objectively, Yoga fundamentally improves BJJ, then everyone who does BJJ, should also do Yoga. I would disagree with this.

RainMaker

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

Rickson also prays to the baby Jesus, believing that improves his game.

Maybe it does
I think the yoga would be of more benefit personally though

r_obric

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

Any strength and conditioning can improve the aplication of your game, by improving your attributes.
They don't make you " better" at Jiu Jitsu, if you know what I mean.

If objectively, Yoga fundamentally improves BJJ, then everyone who does BJJ, should also do Yoga. I would disagree with this.

Objectively, i cant speak for everyone, just what worked for me and doing yoga was the single biggest thing outside of training bjj that made me better at bjj.

EnjoyChoke

r_obric wrote: »

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

Any strength and conditioning can improve the aplication of your game, by improving your attributes.
They don't make you " better" at Jiu Jitsu, if you know what I mean.

If objectively, Yoga fundamentally improves BJJ, then everyone who does BJJ, should also do Yoga. I would disagree with this.

Objectively, i cant speak for everyone, just what worked for me and doing yoga was the single biggest thing outside of training bjj that made me better at bjj.

Out of interest, how did it make you better?

SBG Ireland

RainMaker wrote: »

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

Rickson also prays to the baby Jesus, believing that improves his game.

Maybe it does
I think the yoga would be of more benefit personally though

when u get ricksons understanding of jiu jitsu then worry about working on 'other stuff'...until then if you've spare time roll a lil more actually forget i said anything. lots of yoga, crossfit, maybe some TRX etc

r_obric

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

Out of interest, how did it make you better?

Improved hip felxibility and lower back strength which helped retaining and regaining guard, better knee flexability gave a stronger base, learning how to stretch problem areas like mid back, neck and shoulders and a full stretch incorporating some yoga postures before and after training meant shorter recovery times.

From my limited understanding there are a lot of different types of yoga, and likeeverything good and bad teachers, likewise there are people who could benefit more from working on flexability and others who are flexable enough but i just seemed to find an instructor and class that benefited me a lot.

MaeveD

Part of an interview with Phil Migliarese..... now a 4th degree BJJ Black Belt



OTM: Tell us about the car accident, your recovery, and how it changed your outlook on life.


Phil: I was involved in a bad car wreck when I was 17 years old, 4 years into jiu-jitsu. I was on my back for about 6 months. I broke my knees, hips, ribs and shoulders. The Doctors told me to forget about ever training again. Well, I had to prove them wrong. I watched videos while I was in bed. I practiced Yoga breathing exercise to help with my focus on recovery. When I started walking again, I used yoga postures to help realign my broken spine and strengthen my back.
I got back on the mat within 9 months after the accident. But I was not pain free nor am I now. Yoga helps to minimize the pain in my back.
My back will literally go out if I stop doing yoga. I cannot train jiu-jitsu without yoga. Without it, I can hardy walk or move around in.

crosdad

Rolling with people who are really flexible is a pain in the arse! As is rolling with someone who has has horse strength. Having horse strength and being flexible don't make you better a jiu jitsu, it makes you more of a pain in the arse! which the end result will be someone such as Tom king will get pissed off and absolutley crucify you. So its probably better for you not to do these things.

Mellor

r_obric wrote: »

I disagree, lots of things help your grappling, and one of the most beneficial I ever found was yoga

1 hour a week of yoga for 12 months will probably help your BJJ a little. But the guy who spent those 50 hours on the mat will be have improved a lot more.

Chris89

Mellor wrote: »

1 hour a week of yoga for 12 months will probably help your BJJ a little. But the guy who spent those 50 hours on the mat will be have improved a lot more.

This is the worst argument, If I train 2 or 3x a day, and get a yoga session in once or twice a week, would you say this is beneficial or not?

Dka e80

Chris89 wrote: »

Mellor wrote: »

1 hour a week of yoga for 12 months will probably help your BJJ a little. But the guy who spent those 50 hours on the mat will be have improved a lot more.

This is the worst argument, If I train 2 or 3x a day, and get a yoga session in once or twice a week, would you say this is beneficial or not?

They would be probably beneficial is some way but what is you swap the yoga for extra bjj classes

EnjoyChoke

Chris89 wrote: »

Mellor wrote: »

1 hour a week of yoga for 12 months will probably help your BJJ a little. But the guy who spent those 50 hours on the mat will be have improved a lot more.

This is the worst argument, If I train 2 or 3x a day, and get a yoga session in once or twice a week, would you say this is beneficial or not?

A rest day would be beneficial after that much training. You couldn't say "resting makes you better at BJJ"
Yoga seem's like a good fit from a recovery and flexibility point of view, here and in a couple of examples above.
It won't make you better at Jiujitsu and in most cases people would be much better served with an extra BJJ class.
But like I said, whatever rocks your boat.

Chris89

You could say - resting makes you better able to practice BJJ, in turn making you better. So I think you could say the same for Yoga, getting enough sleep, eating healthy food or even drinking water.

r_obric

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

A rest day would be beneficial after that much training. You couldn't say "resting makes you better at BJJ"
Yoga seem's like a good fit from a recovery and flexibility point of view, here and in a couple of examples above.
It won't make you better at Jiujitsu and in most cases people would be much better served with an extra BJJ class.
But like I said, whatever rocks your boat.

as i said... the experience i have would lead me to disagree.

r_obric

Mellor wrote: »

1 hour a week of yoga for 12 months will probably help your BJJ a little. But the guy who spent those 50 hours on the mat will be have improved a lot more.

I dont doubt that, and think that 1 hour of yoga would help your bjj a lot, but what we were discussing before you missed the point was what helps your bjj the most outside of training bjj, and in my experience its yoga, followed by numerous other things....

EnjoyChoke

Chris89 wrote: »

You could say - resting makes you better able to practice BJJ, in turn making you better. So I think you could say the same for Yoga, getting enough sleep, eating healthy food or even drinking water.

By that argument, being born makes you better at BJJ.
I think you know well what I mean and are just trying to wreck my buzz.
It improves the attributes, which improve the application, without improving the actual fundamentals of the game.
In any case I'm only posting on this thread as a way to look busy in work. Everyone can Yoga themselves into a coma for all I care, once I'm left with enough quality training partners everytime I roll and they're not off somewhere doing the Lotus Frog position.

Civilian Personal Protection

Ya could always use BJJ to assist someone into the 'Kiss your Ass' posture.

'Lotus Frog'. Damn. Missed that in my Yoga Diploma.

EnjoyChoke

Civilian Personal Protection wrote: »

Ya could always use BJJ to assist someone into the 'Kiss your Ass' posture.

Well done.

EnjoyChoke

Civilian Personal Protection wrote: »

'Lotus Frog'. Damn. Missed that in my Yoga Diploma.

EnjoyChoke

Civilian Personal Protection wrote: »

'Lotus Frog'. Damn. Missed that in my Yoga Diploma.

RainMaker

Civilian Personal Protection

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

Well done.

Thank-you.

BTW, your pic is off the frog pose.... no lotus frog position I know off. Lotus AND Frog, sure.

....Rainmaker is closer though.

EnjoyChoke

Civilian Personal Protection wrote: »

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

Well done.

Thank-you.

BTW, your pic is off the frog pose.... no lotus frog position I know off. Lotus AND Frog, sure.

....Rainmaker is closer though.

Close enough.

Niall Keane

If only yoga or something like yoga contained martially relevant postures and movements, training flexibility, core strength, intent, the nervous system, coordination, plus the ability to counter and recover martially with power! Hmmmmm

Oh wait a minute....

Nei Gung!

yomchi

Christ