David Quinn Article

homer911

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/david-quinn-like-ring-skills-katies-religion-comes-naturally-3195805.html

This is about the clearest commentary/analysis of faith I have ever seen in the Irish media

tommy2bad

The Indo seems to have a religion love in going on at the moment,
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/eilis-ohanlon-elephant-in-the-olympic-ring-was-godsized-3196980.html

Both pieces are rubbish btw, Quinn is just jumping on a bandwagon and O'Hanlon; well it's O'Hanlon. No need to say more.

JimiTime

tommy2bad wrote: »

The Indo seems to have a religion love in going on at the moment,
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/eilis-ohanlon-elephant-in-the-olympic-ring-was-godsized-3196980.html

Both pieces are rubbish btw, Quinn is just jumping on a bandwagon and O'Hanlon; well it's O'Hanlon. No need to say more.

Extremely poor observation there Tommy. Those two articles have absolutely nothing in common bar the mention of Katie Taylor.

tommy2bad

Which observation? that the indo ran two pro religion pieces in one edition or that both are tripe?
Katie Taylor wins medal, praises God, David Quinn dose a P.R. piece, big surprise, and the other muppet wrote some twisted nonsense that made no sense.
It's great to see someone who isn't ashamed or embarrassed to express their faith and it's embarrassing and shaming to see a rag like the Sindo hanging on their coat tails as if it cared.

Benny_Cake

tommy2bad wrote: »

Which observation? that the indo ran two pro religion pieces in one edition or that both are tripe?
Katie Taylor wins medal, praises God, David Quinn dose a P.R. piece, big surprise, and the other muppet wrote some twisted nonsense that made no sense.
It's great to see someone who isn't ashamed or embarrassed to express their faith and it's embarrassing and shaming to see a rag like the Sindo hanging on their coat tails as if it cared.

I'll give David Quinn a little credit as his article is free of the partisan political angle he usually incorporates into his pieces and I think his assessment of Katie Taylor's faith is, by and large, accurate. I'm in 100% agreement with you about Eilis O'Hanlon, who is only using Katie Taylor's name in an attack piece against the typical cast of villains the Sindo presents as part of it's world view. The sentence below takes quite a brass neck for a journalist at that paper to write given the way it lionised get-rich-quick property developers and their political enablers right through the Celtic Tiger years. To bring Katie Taylor's name into this is indeed shameful, but it probably won't be the last time it's done.

Rather than gaining self-respect and security through hard work, we came to believe that everything could be easily had, that we could borrow and invest and wheeler-deal our way to lasting prosperity

qrrgprgua

Its amazing to see how many people who pass the finishing line to get Gold will pause to bless themselves.

Was looking at the Finish of the Mens Marathon today and the winner did just that.

Great to see so many Christian Gold medal winners, Including Katie.

Does faith make you a winner? Maybe not, Does God help.. To those of us who believe we think he does.

Snappy Smurf

Quinn's article was ok, but he neglected to mention that Catholicism, lived at its best, fully and completely, surpasses in intensity the best of Evangelical Christianity. Catholics have in the richness of the Church everything the ECs have and much more since we have Jesus in the flesh Who comes to us every time we receive Holy Communion.

I think that the main issue re: Catholicism in Ireland is that the faith has not been lived, that the Deposit of Faith (both Scripture and Tradition) has not been indulged. Years of humanistic feel-good, yet empty and banal sermons have left Catholics hungry.

The Idyll Race

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

Quinn's article was ok, but he neglected to mention that Catholicism, lived at its best, fully and completely, surpasses in intensity the best of Evangelical Christianity. Catholics have in the richness of the Church everything the ECs have and much more since we have Jesus in the flesh Who comes to us every time we receive Holy Communion.

I think that the main issue re: Catholicism in Ireland is that the faith has not been lived, that the Deposit of Faith (both Scripture and Tradition) has not been indulged. Years of humanistic feel-good, yet empty and banal sermons have left Catholics hungry.

Not just Catholics. Read theology and Church History. Orthodoxy's sacraments are fully recognised by Rome, though the traffic is not two way. Anglicans, Lutherans and many protestants believe in the Real Presence, expressed in different terms such as consubstantiation.

philologos

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

Quinn's article was ok, but he neglected to mention that Catholicism, lived at its best, fully and completely, surpasses in intensity the best of Evangelical Christianity. Catholics have in the richness of the Church everything the ECs have and much more since we have Jesus in the flesh Who comes to us every time we receive Holy Communion.

Why would he use Katie's victory to indulge in sectarianism?

homer911

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

Quinn's article was ok, but he neglected to mention that Catholicism, lived at its best, fully and completely, surpasses in intensity the best of Evangelical Christianity. Catholics have in the richness of the Church everything the ECs have and much more since we have Jesus in the flesh Who comes to us every time we receive Holy Communion.

Nor is there a need to turn this into another Protestant vs Catholic thread - Quinn's article for many people would have at least demystified the terms "evangelical" and "born gain". So many people respond negatively to these terms without understanding them, or out of a sense of jealousy that the individual has an assurance of faith and salvation that they believe they could never aspire to. Being born again is for everyone, Catholic, Protestant and everyone else. Its a gift available to all, through God's grace.

tommy2bad

The indo sinks further with two more pieces
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/willie-kealy-katie-taylors-victory-is-a-rare-one-for-simple-faith-3197083.html
Bad enough but FFS Eoghan Harris!!
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/eoghan-harris/eoghan-harris-chariots-of-integrity-for-katie-and-con-3196994.html

I suppose it was to be expected but I really think they should just do the right thing. Congratulate her without using her to further their own agendas.

philologos

tommy2bad wrote: »

The indo sinks further with two more pieces
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/willie-kealy-katie-taylors-victory-is-a-rare-one-for-simple-faith-3197083.html
Bad enough but FFS Eoghan Harris!!
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/eoghan-harris/eoghan-harris-chariots-of-integrity-for-katie-and-con-3196994.html

I suppose it was to be expected but I really think they should just do the right thing. Congratulate her without using her to further their own agendas.

I really don't see why pointing to Katies evangelical Christianity is a bad thing if it tells us more about who she is and what she believes.

tommy2bad

philologos wrote: »

I really don't see why pointing to Katies evangelical Christianity is a bad thing if it tells us more about who she is and what she believes.

Neither do I, pointing to it and telling us how the 'ra are murders or how Enda needs to shape up or whatever stick their peddling this week, is a whole other matter.
Actually whats interesting is that an Irish person saying "thank God" is now remarkable. Changed times.

Benny_Cake

tommy2bad wrote: »

philologos wrote: »

I really don't see why pointing to Katies evangelical Christianity is a bad thing if it tells us more about who she is and what she believes.

Neither do I, pointing to it and telling us how the 'ra are murders or how Enda needs to shape up or whatever stick their peddling this week, is a whole other matter.
Actually whats interesting is that an Irish person saying "thank God" is now remarkable. Changed times.

In this case, Harris is using Katie to take a swipe at his mortal enemies in RTE (he still hasn't forgiven them for employing Official Sinn Fein members such as, uh, Eoghan Harris back in the 1970s). It's just a shame to see people who aren't fit to lace her boxing gloves use her name in bitter attack articles. Still I'd imagine it will do attendance at St .Mark's no harm at all!

philologos

Benny_Cake wrote: »

In this case, Harris is using Katie to take a swipe at his mortal enemies in RTE (he still hasn't forgiven them for employing Official Sinn Fein members such as, uh, Eoghan Harris back in the 1970s). It's just a shame to see people who aren't fit to lace her boxing gloves use her name in bitter attack articles. Still I'd imagine it will do attendance at St .Mark's no harm at all!

If on the wider spectrum of things it makes people think twice about what they think about evangelical Christianity, or see that faith is not an inherently bad thing in someone's life, then that's good and great.

Benny_Cake

philologos wrote: »

Benny_Cake wrote: »

In this case, Harris is using Katie to take a swipe at his mortal enemies in RTE (he still hasn't forgiven them for employing Official Sinn Fein members such as, uh, Eoghan Harris back in the 1970s). It's just a shame to see people who aren't fit to lace her boxing gloves use her name in bitter attack articles. Still I'd imagine it will do attendance at St .Mark's no harm at all!

If on the wider spectrum of things it makes people think twice about what they think about evangelical Christianity, or see that faith is not an inherently bad thing in someone's life, then that's good and great.

Don't get me wrong, Katie Taylor will definitely make people question some of the stereotypical ideas they may have had about evangelical Christianity and that is terrific as there is a tendency to associate it with the American "Christian right", whereas it's actually quite a diverse grouping. As for the hacks, they'll have moved on to someone else next Sunday.

marienbad

tommy2bad wrote: »

The indo sinks further with two more pieces
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/willie-kealy-katie-taylors-victory-is-a-rare-one-for-simple-faith-3197083.html
Bad enough but FFS Eoghan Harris!!
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/eoghan-harris/eoghan-harris-chariots-of-integrity-for-katie-and-con-3196994.html

I suppose it was to be expected but I really think they should just do the right thing. Congratulate her without using her to further their own agendas.

I am at a loss as to how you find any of there articles offensive, and I really don't know what agenda you are concerned about ?

Snappy Smurf

philologos wrote: »

Why would he use Katie's victory to indulge in sectarianism?

Is desiring to share with our separated brethren the beautiful truth of the Lord Jesus Christ in the Blessed Eucharist sectarianism? If it is, then God made a mistake.

JimiTime

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

Is desiring to share with our separated brethren the beautiful truth of the Lord Jesus Christ in the Blessed Eucharist sectarianism? If it is, then God made a mistake.

*Pukes*

Greaney

Janey, I thought the article was really good actually:D. Are you guys trolling? Seriously??

amadain17

Does God help.. To those of us who believe we think he does

Actually studies show that prayer does not work. It is in fact counter-productive.

http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/html/3_31STEP.html

When science steps in, those that ascribe magic to the world enivativably step out

There is not even any proof that god exists

marienbad

amadain17 wrote: »

Actually studies show that prayer does not work. It is in fact counter-productive.

http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/html/3_31STEP.html

When science steps in, those that ascribe magic to the world enivativably step out

There is not even any proof that god exists

Stop press !:)

amadain17

Actually I have a question for a thread that is full of active christians. I was catholic and am now atheist. I meet people who are atheist like me or who stay quiet. This means that the topic of religion is off-limits except among those who have dropped religion. Its active in those circles because atheists who were brought up christians had to think clearly about their religion in order to drop it. The reason why I don't believe in the existence of god is the absolute absence of evidence for the existence of god. Does anybody here have any evidence for the existence of god? If you don't then how do you satisfy your enquiring mind? Do you put this little issue to a place never to be visited? Also with all of the gods in the world today and throughout the ages how do you know that you've picked the correct one?

tommy2bad

amadain17 wrote: »

Actually I have a question for a thread that is full of active christians. I was catholic and am now atheist. I meet people who are atheist like me or who stay quiet. This means that the topic of religion is off-limits except among those who have dropped religion. Its active in those circles because atheists who were brought up christians had to think clearly about their religion in order to drop it. The reason why I don't believe in the existence of god is the absolute absence of evidence for the existence of god. Does anybody here have any evidence for the existence of god? If you don't then how do you satisfy your enquiring mind? Do you put this little issue to a place never to be visited? Also with all of the gods in the world today and throughout the ages how do you know that you've picked the correct one?

Deserves an answer but not here,http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056718758 here might suit it better.