Reseeding yet again

MfMan

Goin to bite the bullet and get going with this. A 5-acre field to do, so was thinking of the following schedule;

Burn off with Roundup now.
Graze down as bare as possible in a week's time.
Spread lime at 2 tons / acre
Plough (want to do this to improve drainage)
Harrow, several times
Pick stones (hopefully optional!)
Power harrow if necessary (hopefully not as I don't have one)
Roll ?
Broadcast seed with barrow (available from seed merchant)
Shake 2 bags /acre 10-10-20 (before or after sowing seed?)
Lightly harrow?
Roll again

3-4 weeks, post-emergence spray (What's best?)
5-6 weeks, graze

Anything I'm leaving out? Any thoughts, suggestions?

bogman_bass

why the first rolling?

MfMan

bogman_bass wrote: »

why the first rolling?

To level and firm seedbed prior to sowing. May not be necessary?

bogman_bass

The harrowing should do that. rolling before will just leave the seed on the top and ad to compaction. I would say roll after only

ootbitb

Think I would spread fertilizer, roll to get a firm seedbed then sow grasseed then roll again.

I never harrow after as it tends to bury the seed too deep.

Username John

MfMan wrote: »

Goin to bite the bullet and get going with this. A 5-acre field to do, so was thinking of the following schedule;

Burn off with Roundup now.
Graze down as bare as possible in a week's time.
Spread lime at 2 tons / acre
Plough (want to do this to improve drainage)
Harrow, several times
Pick stones (hopefully optional!)
Power harrow if necessary (hopefully not as I don't have one)
Roll ?
Broadcast seed with barrow (available from seed merchant)
Shake 2 bags /acre 10-10-20 (before or after sowing seed?)
Lightly harrow?
Roll again

3-4 weeks, post-emergence spray (What's best?)
5-6 weeks, graze

Anything I'm leaving out? Any thoughts, suggestions?

Why lime then plough? We always lime after ploughing, before harrowing. I would have thought lime before plough would bury any goodness from the lime too deep? I might be wrong, but that's what I thought

Would agree with the previous post re not rolling before sowing - esp with the year that's in it, and the fact you are ploughing to aid drainage...

Re the barrow - one was used here and it wasn't super. It was borrowed from the co-op, but it was half fcuked, and didn't put in the seed evenly. I would advise having a back up of your own fertiliser spinner, so know what setting to use, etc...

That's my two cent.

MfMan

Username John wrote: »

Why lime then plough? We always lime after ploughing, before harrowing. I would have thought lime before plough would bury any goodness from the lime too deep? I might be wrong, but that's what I thought

Would agree with the previous post re not rolling before sowing - esp with the year that's in it, and the fact you are ploughing to aid drainage...

Re the barrow - one was used here and it wasn't super. It was borrowed from the co-op, but it was half fcuked, and didn't put in the seed evenly. I would advise having a back up of your own fertiliser spinner, so know what setting to use, etc...

That's my two cent.

Thanks for suggestions. Think I read somewhere that lime after burning off but before ploughing would help neutralise decaying herbiage (or something). Take your point re: co-op barrows, the local merchant has a few and assures me they're going fine. May take advice about no prior rolling on board also.

kboc

first thing to do, get soil tested

Username John

kboc wrote: »

first thing to do, get soil tested

Would you need to dig down, to about the level at which the plough would Or would it make any difference really?

Mfman - would you think of putting out slurry on the grass before ploughing? Would this help the old grass rot, and then put the lime on top? Just a thought...

grange mac

Username John wrote: »

kboc wrote: »

first thing to do, get soil tested

Would you need to dig down, to about the level at which the plough would Or would it make any difference really?

Mfman - would you think of putting out slurry on the grass before ploughing? Would this help the old grass rot, and then put the lime on top? Just a thought...

I am finishin my reseeding for the year in the morning, getting it done in stages due to weather...sprayed fed ploughed circa 5inch power harrow leveller fert 3bags 10 10 20 then powerharrowrd with seeder as well...works well as contractor said that power harrowing this yr only is a disaster as if rain gets it before you set it wont be able to travel it...the ploughing makes a diff for soakage.

Farmer Pudsey

MfMan wrote: »

Goin to bite the bullet and get going with this. A 5-acre field to do, so was thinking of the following schedule;

Burn off with Roundup now.
Graze down as bare as possible in a week's time.
Spread lime at 2 tons / acre
Plough (want to do this to improve drainage)
Harrow, several times
Pick stones (hopefully optional!)
Power harrow if necessary (hopefully not as I don't have one)
Roll ?
Broadcast seed with barrow (available from seed merchant)
Shake 2 bags /acre 10-10-20 (before or after sowing seed?)
Lightly harrow?
Roll again

3-4 weeks, post-emergence spray (What's best?)
5-6 weeks, graze

Anything I'm leaving out? Any thoughts, suggestions?

With the hot weather you will be able to get into graze it after about 3 days watch the tips of the grass when it begins to turn flood it with cattle.

If you use lime before ploughing you need 4 tons/acre spread it before you harrow or after after harrowing and give it one more run.

If you have slurry plough it in ie spread it after grazing and plough in straight away, one bag of 10-10 20 /acre will do then.

there is for and against rolling beforing sowing seed is ment to be set in a firm seedbed, You could roll once and after soowing the 3'R roll, roll and roll again. After the seed barrow a good heavy bush to spread it this is why it is an advantage to roll beforing sowing otherwise you may bury some of the seed. A wagtail is ideal if you can set it it is a case of trial and error.

Grass and weeds will fly there is only one spray for new reseeds if you want to save clover it is legumex I think there is a generic brand as well but not sure, watchh the grass 2 leaves and one true leaf on the clover and in straight away, I be early rather than late with it it is a very weak spray you need to catch the weeds as early possible

milkprofit

If you use lime before ploughing you need 4 tons/acre spread it before you harrow or after after harrowing and give it one more run.
WHY---- Lime is determined by soil test why waste money
Spread lime after ploughing
Lime helps trash rot if you are not ploughing
If hiring rotavator hire one with seeder on back

Nobbies

why does any one use round up before the plough?surely ur ploughing down everything on the surface,and then sowing anew seed.my experience of using round up is all the weeds in ireland will grow back afterwards.

Farmer Pudsey

Nobbies wrote: »

why does any one use round up before the plough?surely ur ploughing down everything on the surface,and then sowing anew seed.my experience of using round up is all the weeds in ireland will grow back afterwards.

Yes but what you have are seedling weeds these can be easily killed by a weak undersown spray. The main one used is legumex. If you do not spray before ploughing all the strong docks and thistles will come back and you cannot save your clover trying to kill them.