Question about heaven.

lazygal

Something's been on my mind since some recent bereavements.

If you're Catholic and go to heaven, is it only Catholics there? What about friends or relatives of other or no religion, are they there too? Or somewhere else? If, say, your best friend is Muslim, does that mean you'll never see them again because they won't be in Catholic heaven? How does the whole heaven and meeting people again thing work?

Onesimus

Yes non-Catholics can go to Heaven. But it all depends upon the mercy of God, and the good life the person led whilst ignorant of Jesus here on the earth. St.Paul speaks about it in scriptures and I will look for it later for you. I think it is in the book of Romans he talks about it.

The Visionaries of Medjugorje, who see our Lady, had a vision of her one day in which they saw the local Muslim woman in the village who died and she was beside Our Lady in the vision. They were surprised to see this and asked, ''How come she got into heaven when she was muslim and not Christian?'' and Our Ladys only response was basically ''She was a good mother''. Thats not a direct qoute though ahhh so I'll look for the exact story on the internet when I can.

This is not to say that the infallible doctrine of ''Nulla Salus'' ( No Salvation outside the Catholic Church ) does not hold water. It does, but it is meant to be interprtated from an Ecclesiological point of view and not a ''soteriological'' one. It means that a person who was ignorant of the Catholic Church being the true Church is left to the Mercy of God and can still acheive heaven. And the Nulla Salus is for those who quite knowingly knew the Church to be the true one but left it anyway and renounced the faith.

God bless
Onesimus

totus tuus

There is hope for everyone.

Jesus said:

I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. (Matt 21:31)

Jellicoe

Onesimus wrote: »

Yes non-Catholics can go to Heaven. But it all depends upon the mercy of God, and the good life the person led whilst ignorant of Jesus here on the earth. St.Paul speaks about it in scriptures and I will look for it later for you. I think it is in the book of Romans he talks about it.

The Visionaries of Medjugorje, who see our Lady, had a vision of her one day in which they saw the local Muslim woman in the village who died and she was beside Our Lady in the vision. They were surprised to see this and asked, ''How come she got into heaven when she was muslim and not Christian?'' and Our Ladys only response was basically ''She was a good mother''. Thats not a direct qoute though ahhh so I'll look for the exact story on the internet when I can.

Isnt Medjugorje where it was claimed that Mary claims all religions are the same ?

totus tuus

Jellicoe wrote: »

Isnt Medjugorje where it was claimed that Mary claims all religions are the same ?

No!

What she said when asked was:

October 1, 1981

Are all religions the same? "Members of all faiths are equal before God. God rules over each faith just like a sovereign over his kingdom. In the world, all religions are not the same because all people have not complied with the commandments of God. They reject and disparage them."


http://www.medugorje.org/msg81.htm

Jellicoe

totus tuus wrote: »

No!

What she said when asked was:

October 1, 1981

Are all religions the same? "Members of all faiths are equal before God. God rules over each faith just like a sovereign over his kingdom. In the world, all religions are not the same because all people have not complied with the commandments of God. They reject and disparage them."


http://www.medugorje.org/msg81.htm

So does this mean that Satanism and Catholicism are equal before God ?

Onesimus

I have to add to what I say as well that..

Whilst outside the Catholic Church we do leave ourselves at high risk of losing Our Salvation and those who choose to leave her also do the same.

It would be like playing Russian Roulette with our very souls because it is a serious business and as Our Lady showed many visionaries down through the decades, people do go to purgatory and Hell.

So we must pray for those whom we have lost whether they were Catholic or not and have Masses said for them. Because we just cannot ''presume'' they are in Heaven even though we'd like to think they are, we must not ''presume'' Gods Mercy came upon them at the time of death because the reality is ''we just don't know''. When I attend Catholic funerals there is too many tears and not enough prayers to being said.

Jellicoe

Onesimus wrote: »

I have to add to what I say as well that..

Whilst outside the Catholic Church we do leave ourselves at high risk of losing Our Salvation and those who choose to leave her also do the same.

but thats not what the voices said "Members of all faiths are equal before God"

Onesimus

Jellicoe wrote: »

but thats not what the voices said "Members of all faiths are equal before God"

Yes ''Members'' not ''all religions'' are equal before God. This means God loves everyone member of every religion on earth and has no favourites and all are equally loved by Him.

Arawn

Onesimus wrote: »

I have to add to what I say as well that..

Whilst outside the Catholic Church we do leave ourselves at high risk of losing Our Salvation and those who choose to leave her also do the same.

It would be like playing Russian Roulette with our very souls because it is a serious business and as Our Lady showed many visionaries down through the decades, people do go to purgatory and Hell.

So we must pray for those whom we have lost whether they were Catholic or not and have Masses said for them. Because we just cannot ''presume'' they are in Heaven even though we'd like to think they are, we must not ''presume'' Gods Mercy came upon them at the time of death because the reality is ''we just don't know''. When I attend Catholic funerals there is too many tears and not enough prayers to being said.

I thought ye lot got rid of purgatory, also is worshiping another religion not the same as worshipping false gods? Is that not against a commandment

Jellicoe

Nah, the voice, (not their church) told them satanists and catholics are equal, so their gonna go with that.

Onesimus

Arawn wrote: »

I thought ye lot got rid of purgatory, also is worshiping another religion not the same as worshipping false gods? Is that not against a commandment

Worship of false gods is a mortal sin. But in order for a mortal sin to become a reality, three conditions must be met, and one of them conditions is that the person must have full knowledge that what he is doing is a mortal sin in order for it to be a mortal sin.

Purgatory is still there in the Catechism and has been since the beginning of the Church.

Wiggles88

Onesimus wrote: »

Worship of false gods is a mortal sin. But in order for a mortal sin to become a reality, three conditions must be met, and one of them conditions is that the person must have full knowledge that what he is doing is a mortal sin in order for it to be a mortal sin.

Purgatory is still there in the Catechism and has been since the beginning of the Church.

So a psychopath who cannot tell right from wrong cannot commit a mortal sin?

Onesimus

Wiggles88 wrote: »

So a psychopath who cannot tell right from wrong cannot commit a mortal sin?

I wouldn't know, because I'm not a professional on the subject and my knowledge at the moment is limited to what I do know. It might be a good idea for me to take a look at the Catechism and see what it has to say. But I would imagine that a psychological disorder would certainly lessen culpability.

Seaneh

Jellicoe wrote: »

So does this mean that Satanism and Catholicism are equal before God ?

No, it means satanists and catholics are equal before God.
The perople, not the religion.

Jellicoe

Seaneh wrote: »

No, it means satanists and catholics are equal before God.
The perople, not the religion.

Ok, so can you explain for us exactly how a devout Satanist and a devout Catholic are equal before God ?

Seaneh

Jellicoe wrote: »

Cool for Satanists so, they're on the right path as well.

Nobody said that either.

mikom

lazygal wrote: »

If you're Catholic and go to heaven, is it only Catholics there? What about friends or relatives of other or no religion, are they there too?

Onesimus wrote: »

Yes non-Catholics can go to Heaven. But it all depends upon the mercy of God,

Heaven sounds like a getting a membership in a country club.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLAldSpMJSo