TG4 HD on Saorview?

marko_polo1234

Hi all,
Just wondering if TG4 HD will be on saorview when it starts broadcasting in HD in late september?

John mac

where else would you expect it to broadcast?

Apogee

TG4 have only confirmed it will be on UPC. They are 'in talks' regarding future carriage on Saorview.

The Cush

marko_polo1234 wrote: »

Just wondering if TG4 HD will be on saorview when it starts broadcasting in HD in late september?

Unlikely, Saorview commented over on their facebook page that they would be unlikely to switch on the second mux for just one channel - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79714883&postcount=456

Kevin Gorman What's the new upgrades?

July 10 at 8:38am.

Saorview Hi Kevin. There are two reasons for the re-scan. Viewers receiving signal from Three Rock need to re-scan because of a channel change at the site. It's moving channels because it's no longer operating as a single frequency network with Kippure. The rest of the country need to re-scan because of a change in the channel line-up on the EPG.

July 10 at 8:55am.

Kevin Gorman Thanks for that, Any new channels gonna be added?

July 10 at 8:56am.

Saorview Not at the moment, although the second multiplex is ready for new channels, we expect there may be some announced early next year.

July 10 at 8:58am

Michael O Brien Hi Saorview with TG4 going HD 30th September does this mean Mux2 will be switched on to carry it?

July 11 at 4:06am.

Saorview Hi Michael. Sorry for the delay - we were checking out the situation but there hasn't been any announcement about TG4 going HD in September and it's unlikely the second mux would be switched on for just one channel.

July 13 at 9:17am.

Kevin Gorman Any idea when Rte1 and Tv3 going HD? Thanks in advance

July 13 at 9:18am.

Saorview Hi Kevin. There are proposals in with the BAI for additional HD channels but we don't have any timelines for them yet. It's unlikely that they will be ready before analogue switch off and we expect it to be early next year.

July 13 at 9:24am

http://www.saorview.ie/news/how-to-re-scan-saorview-approved-box-or-tv/

It'll launch on UPC initially - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=79725562#post79725562

TG4 have told CCÉ News that their HD channel will broadcast on the UPC cable platform at first. HD programming will be available from time to time, but a full HD service from TG4 will happen in a year or two as more content becomes available in HD, a similar situation to that of RTÉ TWO HD, which launched a year ago on Saorview.

http://cce.gno.ie/ent/2012/07July/10TG4HD.php

Hotblack Desiato

Should be on Saorview or nowhere :mad: we're paying for this but can't receive it...

channelsurfer2

so rte ( or whatever they are called rtenl) spend 70 million euro of licence fee money on saorview and tg4 get another 10million or so each year from rte via the licence fee yet tg4 choose to go with a commercial pay tv provider to give HD??? only in ireland....

The Cush

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

so rte ( or whatever they are called rtenl) spend 70 million euro of licence fee money on saorview and tg4 get another 10million or so each year from rte via the licence fee yet tg4 choose to go with a commercial pay tv provider to give HD??? only in ireland....

Not to mention the €20m+ Dept of Comms subsidy.

But until the second mux launches and the DTT tariff issue is sorted then the only place for TG4-HD is UPC and carrage is free to them as it is to the other PSB channels and the Oireachtas channel.

MarkK

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

... tg4 get another 10million or so each year from rte via the licence fee yet tg4 choose to go with a commercial pay tv provider to give HD??? only in ireland....

TG4 have done their part and are ready to go HD on all platforms.

Why should TG4 withhold TG4 HD from UPC Subscribers just because problems outside their control mean Mux 2 is not ready yet?

UPC subscribers are license payers too.

watty

I'd bet it's BCI and TV3 causing issues on Mux pricing. Just a guess. That and the fact the Government refuses to pay for Oireachtas channel on Saorview and mysteriously thinks it should be carried free.

If Oireachtas TV starts, the 2nd mux is needed. One HD channel on each mux and 3 SD channels on each mux.

Actually in reality on unless they change to AAC for audio on TV sound and Radio, the existing one mux isn't enough today. The radio stations are in MP2 and sound fairly rubbish at the current bitrates.

Sam Russell

They could launch the second mux for non-RTE channels and give mux1 to RTE. Costs would be divided for each mux, and RTE could launch RTE 1HD, and the other channels as now. The Second mux would have TV3HD, TG4 HD, 3E, OTV, and commercial radios. They can sort out the charges for the second mus between them selves.

If RTE NL became fully independent, there would be fewer wrangles.

The Cush

Sam Russell wrote: »

They could launch the second mux for non-RTE channels and give mux1 to RTE. Costs would be divided for each mux, and RTE could launch RTE 1HD, and the other channels as now. The Second mux would have TV3HD, TG4 HD, 3E, OTV, and commercial radios. They can sort out the charges for the second mus between them selves.

The 2 Muxes are licensed to RTÉ/RTÉNL as per the Broadcasting Act so they are responsible for the operation of the Mux, can't see them handing it over to someone else after installing the infastructure, the capital cost of upgrading the network has to be paid for no matter who operates the mux. The BAI could of course licence a mux for the independent operators who would install and operate the infastructure, unlikely though.

Sam Russell wrote: »

If RTE NL became fully independent, there would be fewer wrangles.

I'd doubt it, the same capital, operation and maintenance costs will still apply no matter what the status of the company running the network. No licence fee money for an independent company, it'll have to be self financing.

FREETV

It is a disgrace that TG4 will be on UPC first. RTE, RTENL, get real! Complaints should be sent to them and the BAI. Saorview should be the priority! What a farce. Greed again comes to the fore. :mad: Somebody start a petition for the people of Ireland. The way this country is run is a joke. More HD channels and decent quality programming is what is needed for the service. There is far too much reality junk and programmes about the preparation of food on the channels. All well and good if one owns a retaurant or is a chef to watch but it is utter dross and I am sure that a lot of people here will agree. I know that is the consensus from people I have spoken to.

More Music

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

so rte ( or whatever they are called rtenl) spend 70 million euro of licence fee money on saorview and tg4 get another 10million or so each year from rte via the licence fee yet tg4 choose to go with a commercial pay tv provider to give HD??? only in ireland....

RTENL privately borrowed the €70m from Barclays to build the network. The RTENL owned transmitter sites and equipment is the collateral.

All TV stations pay RTENL for carriage. That's how RTENL wil recoup the money.

Why should TG4 delay their HD roll out if a 3rd party (RTENL) aren't ready for them?

Nobody knows what's really happening with MUX2 at the moment. RTENL don't want to switch it on and then have government or anybody else say you might as well carry TV station Y etc. seen as it's only running at quarter or half capacity.

The Cush

More Music wrote: »

RTENL privately borrowed the €70m from Barclays to build the network. The RTENL owned transmitter sites and equipment is the collateral.

They entered into a €38.25 million loan facility with Barclays at the end of 2010 according to RTÉ.

More Music wrote: »

Nobody knows what's really happening with MUX2 at the moment. RTENL don't want to switch it on and then have government or anybody else say you might as well carry TV station Y etc. seen as it's only running at quarter or half capacity.

According to Saorview themselves the mux is ready to go and it seems the plan was that any channels using mux 2 would have to share the full costs of the mux between them which would make it very expensive if only a limited number of channels decided to use it, hence the reason I suppose we have the ongoing DTT Mux Tariff consultation.

Sam Russell

The Cush wrote: »

They entered into a €38.25 million loan facility with Barclays at the end of 2010 according to RTÉ.



According to Saorview themselves the mux is ready to go and it seems the plan was that any channels using mux 2 would have to share the full costs of the mux between them which would make it very expensive if only a limited number of channels decided to use it, hence the reason I suppose we have the ongoing DTT Mux Tariff consultation.

I thought the total cost of BOTH muxes would be divided between the users.

The Cush

Sam Russell wrote: »

I thought the total cost of BOTH muxes would be divided between the users.

See the BAI report on the new channels.

Sam Russell

The Cush wrote: »

See the BAI report on the new channels.

Can not find any mention on the BAI web site. Do you have a link?

The Cush

Sam Russell wrote: »

Can not find any mention on the BAI web site. Do you have a link?

Link in this thread - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=73928450

I see from my post in that thread that the per multiplex cost was changed to a platform cost with the spare capacity cost shared by all users, had forgotten about the change. The BAI still not happy with the method of calculation it appears. DTT Mux Tariff review still on going.

The BAI Executive was advised by RTÉNL on Tuesday 12th April that the annual transmission costs for content providers on the RTÉ DTT Multiplexes would now be calculated on a platform basis. The total DTT platform cost of between €8 and €11m annually would be divided between the content providers on the platform and not on a per multiplex basis. Costs would be calculated based on the actual data capacity used by each content provider divided by the total data capacity in use on the two multiplexes. The costs would increase or decrease annually based on the total number of content providers on the platform. In effect, this would mean that RTÉNL would receive a guaranteed income each year, while any spare or reserved capacity would be paid for by all operators on the platform. A content provider therefore would have a variable and unpredictable annual transmission cost for a standard definition channel of between circa €600K and €1m per annum depending on the total number of content providers on the platform and whether analogue television is still on air. Similarly for a HD channel, the annual DTT transmission costs would be variable and could range from circa €1.2m to €2.4m per annum. For radio services carried on DTT, the annual costs again would be variable year on year and range from €50k to €100k per annum. All of these costs have been calculated by the BAI Executive using a spreadsheet calculation tool provided by RTÉNL and using different scenarios of platform usage.

Hotblack Desiato

Sounds logical and reasonable to me, so presumably the only problem is TV3 kicking up...

Sam Russell

It is still cheaper for TV3 on Saorview than on analogue, even with e3 going onto Saorview.

RTE NL could give a three year moving charge for each channel based on current and future (expected) use which would remove any uncertainty. There needs to be more radio channels on DTT, particularly the likes of the national commercial channels and perhaps a few regional ones.

It would be rediculous to fix charges for the second mux based on the number of uses. Who would want to be the first user and collect 100% of the costs? Are these people in the BAI for real? Can you imagine travelling on a bus where the fare charged depended on how many passengers were already on the bus?

We have a great opportunity for all main channels to begin broadcasting in HD as TV3 have been trumpeting, for ages, that they have built (are building) a huge HD studio complex which will be ready before the end of the year. TG4 have announced they are ready to go HD in September. RTE could upscale RTE 1 to make pseudo HD, even if only for appearance sake, and could begin the slow migration over to genuine HD.

Expect to be disappointed (yet again)!

watty

The costs of both Mux and the whole network should be added and then each user pay according to BitRate, + a margin for profit & paying off rollout.

It's a ludicrous idea that the muxes should be priced separately or that BAI or ANYONE should interfere with what is on each mux. The allocation of stations to Muxes and number of Muxes is purely an operational engineering decision for RTE NL, as the channel numbering (LCN) is independent of Mux.

The only RTENL obligation is to provide enough capacity for all Users' bitrate and then price according to Average Bitrate used.

channelsurfer2

so we could have the scenario fairly soon where tg4HD, tv3HD are only available on sky and upc because they are getting free carriage and neither wanting to commit to paying for carriage on mux2 of saorview..

Sam Russell

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

so we could have the scenario fairly soon where tg4HD, tv3HD are only available on sky and upc because they are getting free carriage and neither wanting to commit to paying for carriage on mux2 of saorview..

This could happen if the BAI lets it happen. There has to be a limit on how much TV3 are allowed a free ride. (Perhaps not).

dublinman1990

Is anyone looking at Dangerous Minds on TG4 now?

You will probably notice that the TG4 logo on your screens is now in black, is located on the top Left hand corner of the screen

The logo used to be in white and located on the top right hand corner.

Does anyone know what this is for? Is this change telling me that TG4 has been rebranded?

If anyone is watching on Saorview, it is still being broadcast in widescreen not HD.

Rick_

Yes, I noticed the new DOG and position the other day. Their on screen look appears to have been given a tweak and looks very dark and glossy. Perhaps this is the graphics they will be using for their HD service and have started early, but is ready for their switch, whenever that happens.

p.oconnor

Noticed the new DOG as well, its bloody massive! .... I can just imagine the outcry if RTE or TV3 had done something like this. TG4 seems to be exempt from any major criticism but suppose this is due to the low viewership compared with the others.

ardmacha

Noticed the new DOG as well, its bloody massive!

probably a Cú Faoil (Irish Wolfhound).

swoofer

just had a look and i can honestly say its one of the worst i have EVER seen, is it a misatke ie should it be like the bbc hd one ie well nigh invisible, does some of our licence fee fund tg scatter? i a waiting for the second half of the rugby to see what they do?

in a word awful but tg4 dont give a .... hoot

FREETV

GBCULLEN wrote: »

just had a look and i can honestly say its one of the worts i have EVER seen, is it a misatke ie should it be like the bbc hd one ie well nigh invisible, does some of our licence fee fund tg scatter? i a waiting for the second half of the rugby to see what they do?

in a word awful but tg4 dont give a .... hoot

Posters here send complaints to TG4 in writing and force a change, reminds me of the footie debacle earlier today.

channelsurfer2

how does one complain to TG4? is there a specific email address I can email? have to say its one of the worst efforts I have seen latetly. they seem to have been trying to get it transparent like itvhd and bbchd but messed up and instead made it twice as big as the old version and even more awful looking....

swoofer

i went to website and clicked on contact then selected COMPLAINT.

gbc