Pro's to enter 2016 Olympics?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/londonspy/boxing-scoring-system-shame-games-132355144.html

The idea was to make things fairer, and make the scores closer to what fans see in professional boxing as boxing prepares to admit pros at Rio 2016.

Seems like this is a done deal along with no head guards and the scoring system will probably revert.

The first question would be whether the top pros could be enticed to box and then what sort of mismatches would occur. Some young amateurs could take a hell of a beating from a seasoned pro.

DB10

Another nail in the coffin of boxing IMO. Basically this if done badly renders the Olympic boxing meaningless.

Also what now for Cuban boxing since they dont allow pro boxing.

DB10

DB10 wrote: »

Another nail in the coffin of boxing IMO. Basically this if done badly renders the Olympic boxing meaningless.

Also what now for Cuban boxing since they dont allow pro boxing.

They can still enter their amateurs, would be interesting to see how a season amateur would get on. I cant see big pro's entering this though.

gaelicred

Maybe thats the only way Chisora could win a fight:D

supersean1999

Perla Pitiful Suburbanite wrote: »

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/londonspy/boxing-scoring-system-shame-games-132355144.html



Seems like this is a done deal along with no head guards and the scoring system will probably revert.

The first question would be whether the top pros could be enticed to box and then what sort of mismatches would occur. Some young amateurs could take a hell of a beating from a seasoned pro.

well at least it will take a lot of the judges out of the game because with out head guards there will be kos

Pisco Sour

Lads, have you any other source for this? I wouldn't be believing that pro's will be in Rio based on this article alone!

Big Ears

supersean1999 wrote: »

well at least it will take a lot of the judges out of the game because with out head guards there will be kos

, you do know head guards don't really absorb any impact, they just prevent cuts and bruises.

gene_tunney

Big Ears wrote: »

, you do know head guards don't really absorb any impact, they just prevent cuts and bruises.

True, the impact absorbed is pretty small. Most of the damage done in boxing is from shots to the jaw/chin as these cause the head to rotate the most. The jaw/chin area is unprotected by headgear.

marco_polo

Perla Pitiful Suburbanite wrote: »

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/londonspy/boxing-scoring-system-shame-games-132355144.html



Seems like this is a done deal along with no head guards and the scoring system will probably revert.

The first question would be whether the top pros could be enticed to box and then what sort of mismatches would occur. Some young amateurs could take a hell of a beating from a seasoned pro.

It seems that what the article neglects to mention is that AIBA are talking about a fairly limited number of novices from AIBA Professional Boxing, which is launching in 2013, retaining their olympic eligibility, not some sort of an open invitation for all pros.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/summer/boxing/13754-aiba-president-announces-historic-move-into-professional-boxing

barney4001

gene_tunney wrote: »

True, the impact absorbed is pretty small. Most of the damage done in boxing is from shots to the jaw/chin as these cause the head to rotate the most. The jaw/chin area is unprotected by headgear.

Seems to me the real effective shots are to the body /short ribs, i must say that in over 60 years boxing and following the game i never seen such ridiculous refereeing or judging as last nights heavyweights Russo did nothing but hold he should have been thrown out along with the ref and judges are they afraid to caution or mark against boxers with good reputations??

supersean1999

so how many clear ko s has there been , and your trying to tell me head guards dont stop this, RUBBISH,

cowzerp

Gloves are different to pro gloves, pro gloves are like rocks!

Plus there is not many ko's in the 1st 3 rds of pro boxing when the matches are not mismatched.

supersean1999

cowzerp wrote: »

Gloves are different to pro gloves, pro gloves are like rocks!

Plus there is not many ko's in the 1st 3 rds of pro boxing when the matches are not mismatched.

so you think that if the pros wore head guards there would be exactly the same results, i think there would be less knock outs, same as amateur, the gloves and head guards are designed to protect the amateur boxer and rightly so,

cmf22

supersean1999 wrote: »

so you think that if the pros wore head guards there would be exactly the same results, i think there would be less knock outs, same as amateur, the gloves and head guards are designed to protect the amateur boxer and rightly so,

Amateurs are usually more evenly matched. Theres a lot more mismatches in the pro ranks so more chances of k.o's.
In the pro's most bad k.o's are in the latter rounds

cowzerp

Head guards main role is to prevent cuts, studies show they don't have any noticeable effect on head trauma.

Gloves and time and mismatching are definetly the main reasons for knock outs, well matched fights will rarely end in ko even in pro boxing.

supersean1999

cmf22 wrote: »

Amateurs are usually more evenly matched. Theres a lot more mismatches in the pro ranks so more chances of k.o's.
In the pro's most bad k.o's are in the latter rounds

so head guards dont help to stop a fighter being knocked out stunned what ever you want to say, im lying am i, or are people just arguing for the sake of it, head guards help to reduce the impact of a shot, hence reducing knockouts, that was my point , people on here just argue for the sake of it, is the temple area covered???

cowzerp

They don't though, ko's mainly happen from the chin taking a whack-and the chin is not protected in a head gear.

3 rounds and softer gloves and even matches is the reality.

You do realise boxing used to have no head gear at amateur and lads where not been knocked out all over the place!!

supersean1999

cowzerp wrote: »

They don't though, ko's mainly happen from the chin taking a whack-and the chin is not protected in a head gear.

3 rounds and softer gloves and even matches is the reality.

You do realise boxing used to have no head gear at amateur and lads where not been knocked out all over the place!!

yes im well aware, thats ok thanks

j walsh

I think the lack knockouts over the last twenty odd years in amateur boxing is a result largely of Roy Jones being robbed in Seoul i think it was and the change in scoring that occured afterwards. now its the fast clean score that a fighter needs to win and not the heavy shot that wins. this change happened at grass root levels with coaches adapting in order to get the win. i also think this has followed into the pro ranks where its a long time since I've seen a a really good fighter with real knockout power in his fists. down through the years there's always being great, Louis, maricano, hagler, hearns, benn, Tyson, foreman, frazier, Gerald mcglellan, duran, Im really only naming a few and sure lots of people could name much more.
How many truly one punch fighters can you name within the last twenty years...
So many big fights now go the distance because of the point I've made above.
Just my opinion lads and ill properly get ate for saying this but i believe there's something in it.

gene_tunney

j walsh wrote: »

I think the lack knockouts over the last twenty odd years in amateur boxing is a result largely of Roy Jones being robbed in Seoul i think it was and the change in scoring that occured afterwards. now its the fast clean score that a fighter needs to win and not the heavy shot that wins. this change happened at grass root levels with coaches adapting in order to get the win. i also think this has followed into the pro ranks where its a long time since I've seen a a really good fighter with real knockout power in his fists. down through the years there's always being great, Louis, maricano, hagler, hearns, benn, Tyson, foreman, frazier, Gerald mcglellan, duran, Im really only naming a few and sure lots of people could name much more.
How many truly one punch fighters can you name within the last twenty years...
So many big fights now go the distance because of the point I've made above.
Just my opinion lads and ill properly get ate for saying this but i believe there's something in it.

I agree with your first point about amateur boxers being more inclined for speed - land your shot quickly and then jump out!

In the pro's it's 12 rounds for championship fights so it pays more to wear down your opponent. Amateur boxing is fencing, or electronic tag, professional boxing is a brutal collision between combatants who will go to any lengths to get their pay cheque. Of course, if you're good enough (and I mean the very best), you can play tag for 12 rounds and still go home relatively unmarked, e.g. Floyd Mayweather. But that's the top .01%.

Don't really agree that there aren't as many big hitters around. Most of those guys came from the 90's which was a freakish era where a lot of boxers were on anabolic steroids (until a few got nabbed and then they all toned it down).

That said, Julian Jackson and Tommy Hearns were two absolute freight trains. Hearns' KO of Duran (who has a chin like a slab of concrete) is my number one KO of all time. Pure brutality.

Big Ears

supersean1999 wrote: »

so head guards dont help to stop a fighter being knocked out stunned what ever you want to say, im lying am i, or are people just arguing for the sake of it, head guards help to reduce the impact of a shot, hence reducing knockouts, that was my point , people on here just argue for the sake of it, is the temple area covered???

What don't you provide us with some research articles showing how head guards can reduce angular or linear acceleration of the brain from blows inflicted in boxing and therefore help to reduce brain trauma.......

supersean1999

Big Ears wrote: »

What don't you provide us with some research articles showing how head guards can reduce angular or linear acceleration of the brain from blows inflicted in boxing and therefore help to reduce brain trauma.......

mate iv a bit of my own work to do, researching the brain will take to much time, then again a guard around your head is a guard, no research needed, your post was impressive though it was like been back in science class in school

eleannaxx

Do you guys think Katie Taylor will win the Gold metal again in her kgs ?