PC build low budget (€500 inc monitor and OS )

MrSevorg

1. What is your budget? [€500]

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? Gaming (Guild Wars 2 will be the main game)

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? Yes

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? Maybe a DVD drive but not much

5. Do you need a monitor? Yes

5a. If yes, what size do you need. Doesn't matter really, 19" will do.

5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? [1920x1080/1440x900/etc.] [Yes/No]

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? I need all except keyboard and mouse.

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? I don't know how but I'll try if it will help.

8. How can you pay? [Credit Card/Laser]

9. When are you purchasing? Around Christmas

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? I don't think I'll need help

Procrastastudy

The market will have changed significantly by Xmas because of the Trinity APU release, windows 8 and nvidia line up changing. Ill do you up a build shortly but to be honest it'll be useless by xmas.

MrSevorg

But would it still be able to play Guild Wars 2? I'll post a link to the System Requirements and I wouldn't say they'll change much but if they do I can post a similar thread again in a couple of months. http://http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=684&game=Guild%20Wars%202

Procrastastudy

What I mean is I'll spec you an i3 based machine with a AMD6870 in it (for arguments sake) and you'll prbably end up buying a different higher spec for less in December

MrSevorg

Deadly, so if I'm not misinterpreting what you're saying then in December I could get something that would be €500 now for a bit cheaper ?

Procrastastudy

Its not really that simple - at €500 inc monitor you will probably have to use an integrated GPU. Trinity is AMDs new APU (CPU+GPU combined) and it may be more expensive than something I recommend now but give you better performance.

I'm putting together a build for you now - at least you can ask some questions about it and start to understand the different ways components might be sold.

MrSevorg

Ok and I'll be happy to get 2nd hand parts if I'm able to get it for cheaper as long as they have a warranty.

MrSevorg

I thought an integrated GPU would normally not be good for running games

Procrastastudy

MrSevorg wrote: »

I thought an integrated GPU would normally not be good for running games

Intel HD4000 does an okayish job - the 7660 (IIRC) integrated into top end Trinity APUs will be similar to the discrete GPU I've spec'd below.

Item|Price
4GB-Kit G-Skill PC3-10667U CL9|€22.04
Toshiba DT01ACA Series 500GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€60.71
BitFenix Merc Beta|€33.20
ASRock H61M-HVS (B3), Sockel 1155, mATX|€41.57
Intel Pentium G840 Box, LGA1155|€66.98
BenQ G2025HDA|€79.00
HIS HD 7750 iCooler GDDR5 1024MB DP/DVI/HDMI|€96.47
Antec BasiQ VP350|€34.97
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€453.93

Add to this a copy of Windows 7 from software4students.ie

The link you added was broken so I can't really see the specs for GW2 but MMOs are always inclusive when it comes to spec for business reasons. The only one that wasn't was EQ2 and that bit them in the arse - even then the engine could be scaled back.

MrSevorg

Thanks a lot

MrSevorg

Oh yeah and I've checked the requirements again and this should run on high

MrSevorg

One more thing, would this come with all the parts to put it together? As in wires thermal paste other things (I'm a computer noob :P )

Procrastastudy

You'd need to borrow a DVD drive - I didn't include one (€20 if you want to buy one) mine sits in a draw 99% of the time. CPU is boxed so comes with a cooler with preapplied paste.

MrSevorg

Ok so I won't need any other parts? Just a DVD drive

Procrastastudy

I don't know how generous Bitfenix are with screws etc - you'll need to youtube an unboxing.

If you order from HWVS (check the links) you'll need a UK Kettle lead (pref 5 amps so not ACTUALLY from a kettle) x 2 (monitor)

Keyboard and mouse

and a screw driver obviously.

MrSevorg

I saw another case for around
the same price, it's got a better rating than th other one. Should I buy it or not?

Procrastastudy

Link and link to review?

MrSevorg

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/Midi/49126/3R+Systems+Design+Geh%C3%A4use+R480+Schwarz.article

Procrastastudy

I don't think it will make that much difference so which ever you prefer really. I know the Bitfenix is the one that gets recommended here most.

MrSevorg

Is the mobo combatible with the processor? It says on the information that it is compatible with i3,i5,i7. Oh and is the power supply compatible with higher graphics cards (reccomeded 450 watts i think) Sorry for all the questions :S

Procrastastudy

Yep - I checked the manual a while back - its a good question. I've also a H61 ITX (smaller than mATX) and a G540 on the way so they better work!

PSU is grand - if you think you might get a 7970 or 670 in the future (would cost as much as the entire machine!) then maybe go for a 550W but really once you have a decent PSU you're fine. The majority don't put out the power they claim - those ones do.

the_syco

MrSevorg wrote: »

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? Maybe a DVD drive but not much

Is the DVD an IDE drive? If it is, consider buying a €20 SATA DVD drive - most new mobos don't have IDE ports, so it'll make it easier to get a mobo. Also, get one that can burn DVD's - handy for burning stuff to a disc to give to people that you don't want to have to chase down to get a USB stick back off and make sure the front of it is black so that it fits with your case well.

MrSevorg wrote: »

Deadly, so if I'm not misinterpreting what you're saying then in December I could get something that would be €500 now for a bit cheaper ?

El cheapo mobo at xmas may include shiner features, added mini PCI-E slots (handy for sound cards, etc) better graphics card, etc.

MrSevorg wrote: »

(I'm a computer noob :P )

For an extra €20 or so, they'll put it together for you, but it'd be a VERY GOOD IDEA to take all the memory and cards out and back in again when you receive the computer, as those sometimes get loose in such journeys. As you say you're a n00b, read this to ensure you don't accidentally fry your computer with static.

Procrastastudy

In my opinion - Do not use HWVS build service - more and more horror stories.

If you need help building spend €20 on beer and invite someone from here over.

the_syco

Procrastastudy wrote: »

In my opinion - Do not use HWVS build service - more and more horror stories.

Off topic, but do tell. Have been telling n00bs to use the service, but if it's sh|te, I'd want to know, so they don't fcuk up peoples systems.

Procrastastudy

Well at first we where putting it down to shipping. You dont want 1KG+ of cooler attached to a motherboard shipped anywhere let alone halfway across Europe.

Next it seemed they where getting a bit sloppy with cable management - no worse than most OEMs.

Then this.

MrSevorg

I've been looking around on the internet for a while now :P obviously in a year or two I will need to upgrade this to play future games. What should I start with? I'm thinking graphics card but it would have to be compatible with the mobo yes?

Procrastastudy

You can pop a new GPU is practically any machine - the issue is is it worth it rather than is it compatible.

The answer is almost always yes.

Upgrade cycles are continuous - if you buy the right components you can minimise the cost.

The basics are: A retail OS (not an OEM one) Decent PSU, case and storage - these rarely change - I had HDDs from 8 years ago I only recently got rid of.

Next a CPU, Mobo and RAM - these change every 4 years or so

GPU - probably change this every 2 years

So I go though 2 GPUs to each mobo and 2 mobos to each case and HDD.

very roughly speaking of course.

MrSevorg

Well you know the way the ASrock Mobo said LGA 1155? Say on a 1156 CPU or I don't know, a 756 CPU, would they be compatible? Also, I will probably upgrade to an i5 when I get the money and a HD 7790 GPU i think it is?

MrSevorg

That is, depending on how things have changed, I might go for the mid-high level CPU or GPU of the time, but I'll probably do GPU first. Also I think I will do 8gb RAM instead of 4gb as it is not much more expensive so it seems worth it for the extra memory power

Procrastastudy

LGA 1156 are i5 First gen. LGA 1155 are 2nd and 3rd gen. You have to get the CPU to match the mobo.

GPU will plug into pretty much anything.

Your cycle will be Build - use the intergrated GPU. Use for a year buy a decent GPU. Use for 2 buy a new Mobo, RAM, CPU - keep GPU for a year - buy a new GPU.

MrSevorg

Well if I had say, and extra 50 or 100 euro, what would you tell me to buy then for the first build?

Procrastastudy

I'd go with an i3-2120 and a 7770 GPU. Id also get this PSU.

I'm looking top play GW2 when it comes out now too! Well after my exams anyway - looks class!

MrSevorg

I know it's like a no subscription, more team based high definition WoW on steroids . Looks like a deadly game. I'm also gonna pick up Arma II and Operation Arrowhead . Maybe I'll see you on GW2?

MrSevorg

That build would be about 580 with windows and I might squeeze a keyboard and mouse in ;P

Procrastastudy

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/22+inch/58698/BenQ+G2255.article

if you can squeeze it in to the budget.

MrSevorg

I may have up to 650 euro if I'm lucky
So far I'm gonna go with:

PSU: http://www1.hardwareversand.de/400+-+500+Watts/30074/Super-Flower+Amazon+80Plus+450W.article

Mobo: http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=50895&agid=1603

RAM: http://www2.hardwareversand.de/1333+Low+Voltage/44315/8GB-Kit+G.Skill+PC3-10667U+CL9.article

Case: http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=50576&agid=631

If I go for 650 euro then the CPU will be : http://www2.hardwareversand.de/Socket+1155/50383/Intel+Core+i5-2320+Box%2C+LGA1155.article

GPU: http://www1.hardwareversand.de/1024+MB/56014/XFX+DD+RADEON+7770+1000M+1GB+D5+mDP+HDMI+DVI.article

Now for the Peripherals:

Monitor: http://www2.hardwareversand.de/22+inch/58698/BenQ+G2255.article

Drive: http://www2.hardwareversand.de/S-ATA/59333/ASUS+DRW-24B5ST+Retail.article

OS: http://www.software4students.ie/Microsoft_Windows_7_Professional_64_bit_Upgrade_Edition-details.aspx

If I get a new mouse an keyboard, I have been considering the following : http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsps?aid=60177&agid=754

and

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?adp=0&aid=60174&agid=759&apop=2

Total off Hardwareversand including shipping = 602, 54 euro for Windows 7 off Software4students, I'm hoping this will be viable for me to build because it looks pretty nice to me
I think this is everything but I'll check again just to be sure

Procrastastudy

Dont order your KB from HWVS it will be a german layout.

Drop the PSU down to a 450W and use the extra money to get a B75 motherboard.

CPU links to a case again.

MrSevorg

Oh right yeah, it was just to get them all into a single go for shipping, but I could get that locally, and sorry this was the CPU http://www2.hardwareversand.de/Socket+1155/50383/Intel+Core+i5-2320+Box%2C+LGA1155.article

and that PSU I think was the wrong one, I meant to link to the one you originally suggested for a 550 build (amazon 450w)

Procrastastudy

Looks good imo. Dont buy that 650W PSU though - get a better mainboard a H61 paired with an i5 is a bit sad

MrSevorg

True I suppose, I'll see what I have at Christmas and I'll go from there, and as you and the other lad said, there will be different things out come December so this could change significantly ...

MrSevorg

If I'm gonna go all out I might get an i7 http://www2.hardwareversand.de/Socket+1155/41223/Intel+Core+i7-2600+Box%2C+LGA1155.article

do you think a different mobo should be in order if I go for it?

Procrastastudy

No point in getting an i7 - any extra money after you get an i5 should go into the GPU until you hit the likes of a 7950.

Item|Price
Intel Core i5-2500K Tray, LGA1155|€188.00
Thermalright HR-02 Macho|€37.79
ASRock Z77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX|€91.34
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€336.12

All of the above should be on the shopping list if you have the cash.

Item|Price
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€218.09
Noctua NH-D14, Sockel AM2/AM2+/AM3/775/1366/1155/1156|€74.79
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€135.44
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€447.31

If you want to go mad on a CPU and motherboard this would be better than an i7 in a gaming rig

And a better case and an SSD would all be in there before an i7 imo.

MrSevorg

Would a http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsps?aid=49124&agid=631
case be good? I know you said it doesn't matter but just wondering

Procrastastudy

Cooling is going to be crap and it'll will look nice for about a month then its going to break. It's not the worst thing in the world though as long as you don't over-clock anything.

Eboggles

MrSevorg wrote: »

Would a http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsps?aid=49124&agid=631
case be good? I know you said it doesn't matter but just wondering

Get a merc Beta or Alpha instead, much better cases.

MrSevorg

I'm thinking about going for the last build that I posted (post #36) with an i3 2120.Comes to 560 (not including shipping) and I can pick up a decent keyboard somewhere. Did someone say that shipping is about 18e? This way I'll still have a bit left over for other things and games and such.

MrSevorg

Would a Radeon HD 6870 be bottlenecked by an i3 2120? Also, should I get a 550W PSU or a 450W PSU for it? And would I be better off with a different mobo as a H61 is on of the oldest ivy bridges according to different research