Do you think contemptible behaviour has increased in Dublin City?

FreudianSlippers

I have witnessed what I believe is a sharp increase in the past 6 months to a year of behaviour which I would consider deserving of the term "scumbag" (generally contemptible behaviour) in the City. To be clear, I'm referring to theft, burglaries, aggressive begging, public fighting and other anti-social behaviour.
I'm attempting to start this thread to actually have a discussion about this issue and what can be done about it. I'd like to refrain from generalising and try to stick to specifics.

To start with, mobile phone robbing seems to have increased in frequency and brazenness - there are many stories about people just walking up to women and grabbing it from their hands when they are on the phone (a Garda told me of a bicycle gang on Henry Street).

Aggressive begging seems to be another issue which I have experienced first hand.

I have also witnessed on 10+ separate occasions when walking down O'Connell Street (just up from that 4D cinema in the old Carlton) groups of youths having boxing matches. Granted it was "for fun" but it was full contact and in full view of tourists and taking no regard to passers-by.

I'm not trying to be a fuddy-duddy or have a moan, but this behaviour has a serious impact on how the city is viewed by tourists and respectable members of society.

What have you experienced or heard of and what can we do to stop it?

Twee.

Have to agree with the brazen phone snatching. It happened to my mother in Temple Bar in broad day light, lunch time. In her shock/not knowing really what was happening she just really pulled the phone back and he let go, then just went on his way. That was it! If she had seen the guy properly she probably would have let go in fright.

FreudianSlippers

Twee. wrote: »

Have to agree with the brazen phone snatching. It happened to my mother in Temple Bar in broad day light, lunch time. In her shock/not knowing really what was happening she just really pulled the phone back and he let go, then just went on his way. That was it! If she had seen the guy properly she probably would have let go in fright.

I work around the Four Courts and I have heard of at least 5 female colleagues and 2 males that had their phones snatched in Smithfield and the Fruit Market area. It's crazy.

Marty McFly

Have to say I dont think its gotten any worse recently to be honest, Dublins just like any other major city crime will always be a threat, there only one way to cut down on crime is a heavier Garda presence and tougher sentences given to those found guilty. The Gards can only do so much and make there presence felt so much unless under current constrictions and orders given out by there superiors. On a daily basis I see more traffic corps police than I do Gards walking the beat.

I know which Id rahter see a heavy presence in, ok traffic corps does have its uses aswell but generally its about fining people good for taxes but the majority are law abiding citizens id much rather see the Gards areesting the drug dealers along the quays or heavy presence on our main shopping streets, same goes for suburbs aswell, only time I see Gards walking the beat in my own local area is when the sun comes out so basically never.


Also stricter sentencing needs to be brought in by the courts its shocking to hear of people getting 6 months etc when they already have sometimes well into double figure criminal convictions.


As for phones people just need to be more aware there an easy target and with the likes of the smartphone the highly valuable and easy to move on while also easily taken on someone. I myself had someone once attempt to steal my phone the majority are bottom feeders and will run away at the smallest bit of a struggle its not worth the hassle fro them they will just get someone else in 5 mins time.

jd83

O connell street has become a meeting point for scumbags. Its embarrassing, when you see these knackers hassling tourists and openly drinking and doing drugs. The only police i seem to see is the one garda that is always at the gpo but they dont seem to do anything. Its probably nothing they can do, like move them on or arrest them and there back the next day.

You can notice the effects of the garda recruitment ban and closure of stations and its just going to get worse. In the bast year ive been to a number of other capitals in Europe and you dont see any trouble or people causing trouble.

I get the bus through oconnell street most days and its frustrating looking at these f*ck*ng idiots wasting their days drinking, causing trouble and stealing from people.

Ben D Bus

I've noticed a huge increase in Gardai on O'Connell St in the last few weeks, particularly around the Henry St, Nth Earl St junction at the spire.

There is a Garda van perma-parked on the island opposite the GPO.

And there has been a significant reduction in junkie sightings in that area at the same time.

And to answer the OP, no I haven't noticed any particular change. And I've worked in the city centre for over 20 years. And lived there up to about 8 years ago.

Also, what's the difference between Options 2 & 3 in the poll?

pm1977x

I think it's the same as the last decade or so, but safer than when I was a kid/teenager in the late 80s/90s.

miller50841

The laws are not there to put people off any of this sort of behaviour there are hardly any cops so whats to stop the scum.

I myself have been started on by idiots, scum bags and addicts on numerous occasions I would definitely agree things are getting a lot worse.

1 occasion I was walking down path and fella walks into me and told me f this and that and I should have moved he then proceeded to pull out a knife I stood my ground and his freind dragged him off .
Other ones have been beggers been aggressive and addicts having a go also.
I seem to attract them at times.:rolleyes:

miller50841

Ben D Bus wrote: »

I've noticed a huge increase in Gardai on O'Connell St in the last few weeks, particularly around the Henry St, Nth Earl St junction at the spire.

There is a Garda van perma-parked on the island opposite the GPO.

And there has been a significant reduction in junkie sightings in that area at the same time.

And to answer the OP, no I haven't noticed any particular change. And I've worked in the city centre for over 20 years. And lived there up to about 8 years ago.

Also, what's the difference between Options 2 & 3 in the poll?

The reason more cops is because of rte radio show and people ringing in with all the trouble that does be on O Connell st (pat kenny) It's been brought up for the last couple of weeks.

FreudianSlippers

Ben D Bus wrote: »

Also, what's the difference between Options 2 & 3 in the poll?

Lol well spotted. My bad!

FreudianSlippers

miller50841 wrote: »

Ben D Bus wrote: »

I've noticed a huge increase in Gardai on O'Connell St in the last few weeks, particularly around the Henry St, Nth Earl St junction at the spire.

There is a Garda van perma-parked on the island opposite the GPO.

And there has been a significant reduction in junkie sightings in that area at the same time.

And to answer the OP, no I haven't noticed any particular change. And I've worked in the city centre for over 20 years. And lived there up to about 8 years ago.

Also, what's the difference between Options 2 & 3 in the poll?

The reason more cops is because of rte radio show and people ringing in with all the trouble that does be on O Connell st (pat kenny) It's been brought up for the last couple of weeks.

I didn't hear anything on the radio about it, it was just something which struck me over the past few months.

gerarda

How about bringing in national service? And put people like this guy running the training?

And prison's should be run the way this chap run's his:

http://tizona.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/you-all-remember-sheriff-joe-arpaio-of-arizona-who-painted-the-jail-cells-pink-and-made-the-inmates-wear-pink-prison-garb-wellsheriff-joe-is-at-it-again/

miller50841

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I didn't hear anything on the radio about it, it was just something which struck me over the past few months.

It was on pat kenny in the mornings think it may be on their site.
Good point to bring up though it is a hell of a lot worse

i saw a guy trying to take a woman's phone, she yelled and smacked him with it, passersby rushed over and he legged it
that's all i've seen though
no other change

FishBowel

Walk around Dublin 1 shouting into a phone with most of it covered in super glue.

Mr Simpson

Yep, definitely. About two weeks ago, I had three lads about 16 come up to me outside twisted pepper asking for a smoke. When I said no, they covered their faces with their scarves and started acting in an intimidating manner. Now I'm not a small guy and neither was the person i was with, but it was intimidating.

Last night, some lad deliberately shouldered me in the back, then had the cheek to start being all aggressive and trying to pick a fight. All this outside the front door of Store Street Garda Station, some people are just thick.

Esoteric_

I haven't noticed much of an increase tbh. Actually, I've noticed that the junkies and people begging seem more placid if anything.

2 years ago, I was mugged at needle point while going to work. This was around 8am on Talbot Street. A month later, I was robbed again. Now, I didn't have cigarettes or a phone or a purse out, a needle was shoved at me when I refused to give a junkie change, and it ended up with me emptying my purse into his hands. The second time, my bag was snatched and there was no way I was running after a potentially dangerous junkie.

Since then, I've had very little hassle. I constantly get junkies asking me for smokes or money if I'm on my own, but I presume that's because I'm female, short (5'1) and look like I'm about 15 most of the time, so it makes me a target.

I've noticed that they seem to leave me alone if I say no now, though, whereas before I'd be hassled to no end.

Had a conversation with a junkie on Christmas Eve last year, actually. I had stopped to light a smoke and he came up and asked for one. I was cornered, so gave him one and he ended up spending 20 minutes chatting to me about his life and about a leg injury he had, then asked me to go for a drink (at about 10am!). He was one of the 'nice' ones though, no hassle from him.


I've noticed that if I give smokes to junkies or scumbags that ask, though, they tend to try hug me now. Must be something in the drugs making them happier because that never happened in the past. :pac:

mikemac1

I've had far more hassle from groups of lads in Ballyfermot then I ever did in the city centre

I'm not sure if the OP meant this thread to be about just the city centre but it's worse in certain suburbs in my opinion

There's a chipper and off licence on Decies Rd Ballyfermot and a fair chance you'll have bottles thrown at you if you walk on your own at night.

Last time I got abuse in town was I was coming from an interview, slacks, shoes, shirt and navy jacket and a lady tore into me with rants and finger pointing!
Thought I worked for Dublin Bus :pac:
I need a new jacket, I often get people coming up to me with questions on buses from Aston Quay

Jay D

It genuinely hasn't. Just because people start having personal experiences really doesn't make it any more an issue than it has been already.

One thing I will say though is that the ever developing freedom of mobile video technology kinda brings it to the forefront.

Dandelion6

One change I've noticed is that you see a lot more of it in D2 than you used to, Dame Street/George's Street areas.

Goro

People walking around with 50+ convictions who's lifestyles are funded by the decent working people's taxes. The same working people that they harass and steal from.

Yeah Dublin's gone to the dogs.

Degsy

Goro wrote: »

People walking around with 50+ convictions who's lifestyles are funded by the decent working people's taxes. The same working people that they harass and steal from.

Yeah Dublin's gone to the dogs.

Nice documentary about Irelands pickpockets on tv3 last week...filthy bastards who deliberately target tourists and drunk people because its easier to frighten somebody into giving over thier posessions than it is to work for a living.

Scumbags were bragging how they can steal up to 3000 euro from people withot ever giving a thoughtto why the person was carrying that much money..as far as they were concerned anybody who has money deserves to have it stolen.

The most sickeining thing of all was the fact that the scrotes had thier identity protected as they bragged about thier crimes..Why?

The footage shouldve been handed over to the cops and posters made and put up all over the city centre..bastards.

Greenmachine

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Lol well spotted. My bad!

No could equal not as bad. Would not be very clear though

cloud493

I was in Dublin this past saturday, I was waiting for my mate outside the GPO, and 3 lads came up to me and said 'gimme us a smoke' I said 'no sorry mate' and he was like 'I'l cut your face off you english prick'

So I just said alright then, and walked away. No point escalating it.

macadam

Witnessed a tourist getting his ipad snatched today about noon just off the ha'penny bridge north side, he asked 3 local scumbags to take a photo and one of them ran off with it, I got a kick at him he stumbled but managed to stay on his feet the poor tourist was screaming but no one bothered to try and stop the thief.
He was very daft for asking what was plain to be seen as local scumbags, most of these hoods hang about these tourist spots looking for easy pickings, so be careful out there.

Marty McFly

macadam wrote: »

Witnessed a tourist getting his ipad snatched today about noon just off the ha'penny bridge north side, he asked 3 local scumbags to take a photo and one of them ran off with it, I got a kick at him he stumbled but managed to stay on his feet the poor tourist was screaming but no one bothered to try and stop the thief.
He was very daft for asking what was plain to be seen as local scumbags, most of these hoods hang about these tourist spots looking for easy pickings, so be careful out there.

In fairness the tourist wouldnt be able to tell the difference between a scumbag or a normal hard working Irish person, unless they were from the British isles because they do tend to look the same.

hmmm

We've half a million people unemployed. Instead of paying guards 60 grand a year to stand on street corners, how about we pay some of this half a million 30 grand a year to do the same. I'm sure we would have no shortage of volunteers.

I don't think things have gotten worse, but some stuff has gotten more brazen - whereas I remember in the 80s it was more dangerous because people seemed more desperate. Nowadays the scumbags seem to think they have the run of the place and are more relaxed about what they do (believe it or not).

O'Connell street has become a desperate place. We need less guards propping up the wall at the GPO - but then again they don't command respect from any of the undesirables, so what are they supposed to do?

In most parts of Europe I've been to, you don't see anyone giving backchat to police. Here, the police seem intimidated themselves.

macadam

Marty McFly wrote: »

In fairness the tourist wouldnt be able to tell the difference between a scumbag or a normal hard working Irish person, unless they were from the British isles because they do tend to look the same.

Would the tracksuit and the hood up on the hoodie at 12.30 and it about 20 degrees not make you think??
Ive been to a good few european cities and different cities in the states and anyone with a bit of cop can see the signs.

Marty McFly

macadam wrote: »

Would the tracksuit and the hood up on the hoodie at 12.30 and it about 20 degrees not make you think??
Ive been to a good few european cities and different cities in the states and anyone with a bit of cop can see the signs.

To me and you it would, but not in every country is tracksuits and hoodies the mark of a scumbag. Also regardless a tourist or an Irish person should be able to walk around freely without having to worry about having your property stolen by a scumbag probably with numerous convictions.

Ive been offered drugs in one city by a person who to look at I never would have guessed.

Marty McFly

hmmm wrote: »

We've half a million people unemployed. Instead of paying guards 60 grand a year to stand on street corners, how about we pay some of this half a million 30 grand a year to do the same. I'm sure we would have no shortage of volunteers.

I don't think things have gotten worse, but some stuff has gotten more brazen - whereas I remember in the 80s it was more dangerous because people seemed more desperate. Nowadays the scumbags seem to think they have the run of the place and are more relaxed about what they do (believe it or not).

O'Connell street has become a desperate place. We need less guards propping up the wall at the GPO - but then again they don't command respect from any of the undesirables, so what are they supposed to do?

In most parts of Europe I've been to, you don't see anyone giving backchat to police. Here, the police seem intimidated themselves.

But do you not think the reason theGards dont command respect is because the scubags know even if they are arrested and charged they will more than likely never see a jail or at if they do they wont be spending any kind of significant time behind bars?

This thought is also more than likely in the back of the Gards head and could dis hearten them to the point of thinking ah whats the point the lil scrote be back here tomorrow doing the exact thing smiling in my face and rubbing it in.

Goro

Marty McFly wrote: »

But do you not think the reason theGards dont command respect is because the scubags know even if they are arrested and charged they will more than likely never see a jail or at if they do they wont be spending any kind of significant time behind bars?

This thought is also more than likely in the back of the Gards head and could dis hearten them to the point of thinking ah whats the point the lil scrote be back here tomorrow doing the exact thing smiling in my face and rubbing it in.

Agree 100%
This is precisely the problem.

Richard Hillman

Marty McFly wrote: »

In fairness the tourist wouldnt be able to tell the difference between a scumbag or a normal hard working Irish person, unless they were from the British isles because they do tend to look the same.

I thought that myself tbh but i was walking around Dublin last year with my foreign friend visiting for the weekend and warned him about the type of person that frequents the city centre. We walked up O'Connell street and he asked where were all the junkies? We had passed a ton of them on the way up and he didnt even notice.

starviewadams

Always see tonnes of tourists milling around outside Londis on the corner of Westmoreland Street and Aston Quay,one of the worst area's in the City Centre for drug addicts,agressive begging and open drug dealing imo,but they either seem to be oblivious to it all or they've seen worse in they're home countrys.

The amount of times a day I've been offered heroin,cocaine and yellows and blues there on a daily basis is ridiculous!

arleitiss

Yeah it's very annoying, now that I became a driver and I drive instead of walking around dublin, I don't face these problems, but it's still annoying and sometimes I ran into these.

Was walking once from cinema, 3 junkies (at least looks so), came up to me, 1 of them went past me and two stood in front so I stood sideways to them (I am always paranoid that someone behind may attack me), they said: "here pal right, I will give ye two bags of weed and you lend us a tenner ok? " I said: "thanks no" then they double asked and re-asked I said same thing then they ran off, that was weird. Then I was offered drugs at least 3 times in city centre by just standing on street waiting for friend.

Also I hate this begging stuff, I mean okay when they just sit there and don't say anything or talk, but when they stand in middle of street and call you and show a little note (you would expect obviously it to be a tourist looking for address on piece of paper and you look) so I stopped took paper started reading and it went: "My children and me have been suffering......" I just gave it away and went off, very annoying, I am not sure what's so annoying me about them, just do. How come there is no law or something that if someone just sits all day on streets and begs can't be sent back to their country? (if it's irish then nothing) but I guess it's just the way laws are made.

Another problem I think is young kids/teens acting like vandals always (at least in city centre area), for example: When I open gates to park car or drive out these little vandals just stand in front of gates sensors which blocks gates automatically (if beam is broken it wont close) but if I leave them and walk away someone of them might wander into parking, get locked there by accident cause damage to other cars and I will be the one who will take the blame as notice says "Always wait for gate to close when entering or leaving". Or these literally ****ing bastards (not sure what else to call them) when you walk past them and look at them they say "What ye looking at? " makes me really wanna snap and beat the living **** out of them.

Pace2008

starviewadams wrote: »

The amount of times a day I've been offered heroin,cocaine and yellows and blues there on a daily basis is ridiculous!

I'm not being funny but is there any chance you look a bit like a junkie, even a cleaner Renton sort? For all of Dublin's failings, I have never seen drugs being openly hawked to the public in the city centre, whereas I have seen it going on in other European cities.

What the hell are yellows, anyway? Some sort of Benzo?

Dandelion6

Richard Hillman wrote:

I thought that myself tbh but i was walking around Dublin last year with my foreign friend visiting for the weekend and warned him about the type of person that frequents the city centre. We walked up O'Connell street and he asked where were all the junkies? We had passed a ton of them on the way up and he didnt even notice.

Similar experience with my family visiting from abroad. Irish junkies don't look like the junkies where they come from.

stovelid

I don't think it has changed but that's just an anecdotal view. I've been going into town for 20+ years and there was always an element of junkie and crime problems and I don;t think it's fundamentally a more dangerous place now although that could be my age too.

Maybe what has changed is technological media: so much more instant online commentary/reporting/discussion on street crime as well as people being able to upload videos of incidents immediately.

Also I guess, people carry a lot more expensive electronic hardware these days: phones, iPods etc so that probably leads to more personal theft.

FreudianSlippers

Some very interesting points, especially regarding it being anecdotal. Perhaps that is correct when compared to the 80s (I don't have the figures) but the CSO reports all tend to indicate an continued sharp rise in crimes and violent crimes in recent years. It's being attributed to the recession; I could understand so-called "victimless crimes" rising as a result of the recession, but there are very little 'abject poor' in Ireland due to social welfare payments. I do not believe non-violent people on the dole would turn to violent means to obtain a little bit more money - they may engage in "victimless crimes", but they aren't going to attack people on the streets.
Not to mention, many of these violent crimes are not to the effect of robberies; they are senseless attacks seemingly for fun.

Goro

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Some very interesting points, especially regarding it being anecdotal. Perhaps that is correct when compared to the 80s (I don't have the figures) but the CSO reports all tend to indicate an continued sharp rise in crimes and violent crimes in recent years. It's being attributed to the recession; I could understand so-called "victimless crimes" rising as a result of the recession, but there are very little 'abject poor' in Ireland due to social welfare payments. I do not believe non-violent people on the dole would turn to violent means to obtain a little bit more money - they may engage in "victimless crimes", but they aren't going to attack people on the streets.
Not to mention, many of these violent crimes are not to the effect of robberies; they are senseless attacks seemingly for fun.

Yes, an example of this "violent crime for fun" attitude is the murder of Lukasz Rzeszutko in Coolock by 2-3 scumbags who did it for "a buzz" (Their own words).

Last year I remember a 40 something year old man was killed by a gang of teenagers on the ballymun road in the evening outside a pharmacy. Apparently they started with the old "Have you got a smoke" routine and finished by kicking him in the head until he stopped moving. He died in hostpital a short while after.

A friend of mine in Santry had a friend over, who used to cycle everywhere. Afterwards, as he passed by the Towers in Ballymun going home, he was pulled off his bike and beaten. This guy was quiet, decent and timid. Again there was no motive, nothing was stolen. He has been left permanently brain damaged and disabled.

I could go on and on about the violent crimes and murders that occur here (many unreported by the major newspapers). It is a sick and shameful situation to be in, our government won't even acknowledge that there is a problem. Unless your fortunate enough to live in a nice area in Dublin then violent skanger type crime is now an accepted norm.

I see the man accused of 3 stabbings at the Swedesh house mafia gig has been released on bail too, maybe he can fit in a few stabbings before the trail and the inevitable (if guilty) suspended sentence.

I recently had a guy arguing with me saying that there was nothing wrong in Dublin and that he never sees anything, people are just complaining for nothing. I asked where he lived, he says The hill of Howth. That also sums up the attitude by a lot of officials. They don't live in the areas that are badly affected.

I doubt Enda and Shatter have to think carefully about which route they should take to their local shop to avoid the drug dealing gang or the teenagers that are likely to throw a rock at their heads. Maybe I've just been unlucky enough to live in some of the dodgier areas of Dublins Northside.

I actually envy people who live in areas where a park is for walking the dog in and not for teenage drinking. An alleyway is a good shortcut and not a death trap. I grow tired of watching heroin being sold outside my window each day, of teenagers on motorbikes and horses running amok all day, of the late night window smashing, the burnt wheely bins, the streets piled with bin bags as high as cars, the burnt out cars for that matter.

Can't wait to leave Dublin. I've got it set up and will be leaving soon.:D

Faith+1

Goro wrote: »

Can't wait to leave Dublin. I've got it set up and will be leaving soon.:D

Good for you :rolleyes:

Goro

Faith+1 wrote: »

Good for you :rolleyes:

Why are you rolling your eyes? Is it contemptible for you that someone wants to move out of a dodgy area?

Are people who speak out about this sort of thing a joke for you? Read the thread title, I am on topic. Did you just hop in here to sarcastically patronize people?

admiralofthefleet

Goro wrote: »

Yes, an example of this "violent crime for fun" attitude is the murder of Lukasz Rzeszutko in Coolock by 2-3 scumbags who did it for "a buzz" (Their own words).

Last year I remember a 40 something year old man was killed by a gang of teenagers on the ballymun road in the evening outside a pharmacy. Apparently they started with the old "Have you got a smoke" routine and finished by kicking him in the head until he stopped moving. He died in hostpital a short while after.

A friend of mine in Santry had a friend over, who used to cycle everywhere. Afterwards, as he passed by the Towers in Ballymun going home, he was pulled off his bike and beaten. This guy was quiet, decent and timid. Again there was no motive, nothing was stolen. He has been left permanently brain damaged and disabled.

I could go on and on about the violent crimes and murders that occur here (many unreported by the major newspapers). It is a sick and shameful situation to be in, our government won't even acknowledge that there is a problem. Unless your fortunate enough to live in a nice area in Dublin then violent skanger type crime is now an accepted norm.

I see the man accused of 3 stabbings at the Swedesh house mafia gig has been released on bail too, maybe he can fit in a few stabbings before the trail and the inevitable (if guilty) suspended sentence.

I recently had a guy arguing with me saying that there was nothing wrong in Dublin and that he never sees anything, people are just complaining for nothing. I asked where he lived, he says The hill of Howth. That also sums up the attitude by a lot of officials. They don't live in the areas that are badly affected.

I doubt Enda and Shatter have to think carefully about which route they should take to their local shop to avoid the drug dealing gang or the teenagers that are likely to throw a rock at their heads. Maybe I've just been unlucky enough to live in some of the dodgier areas of Dublins Northside.

I actually envy people who live in areas where a park is for walking the dog in and not for teenage drinking. An alleyway is a good shortcut and not a death trap. I grow tired of watching heroin being sold outside my window each day, of teenagers on motorbikes and horses running amok all day, of the late night window smashing, the burnt wheely bins, the streets piled with bin bags as high as cars, the burnt out cars for that matter.

Can't wait to leave Dublin. I've got it set up and will be leaving soon.:D

dont forget the polish lad that was murdered by scumbags in drimnagh on dublins southside

Degsy

This scumbag should never have been released

http://www.herald.ie/news/kinsella-thugs-tried-to-terrify-stab-witnesses-3116322.html

THE murder trial of one of Ireland's most evil criminals was blighted by terrifying intimidation before he was finally convicted of butchering a man to death.

Associates of Wayne Kinsella tried to intimidate a number of crucial witnesses who gave evidence against the twisted thug who was previously a partner of Scissor Sister Linda Mulhall.

"It was very tense - there was a lot of intimidation. Some of Kinsella's cronies made it very difficult for some of the witnesses.

"It was a situation that gardai had to monitor on a continuing basis no t just in the courtroom but also outside," explained a source. "And it is something that will also need to be looked at in the coming days."

Kinsella (40) was handed a life sentence after a dramatic trial which heard evidence of the savage murder of dad-of-five Adil Essalhi (31) who was stabbed almost 60 times. After the verdict, the now twice-convicted killer turned and taunted Mr Essalhi's friends and family.

With hate-filled eyes, Kinsella shouted: "I guarantee you I'll be back. Your son terrorised me family and all. Does it make you laugh? F**k you!

Earlier in the trial, Wayne Kinsella could be seen sniggering behind his hand when a witness told how she heard him comment that "there's nothing like the smell of a burning body".

He had doused the victim with petrol in a bid to burn the body of Mr Essalhi who was stabbed 58 times in the head, neck and arms with a machete-type weapon and a knife.

At the centre of the case was Kinsella's unfounded accusation that Mr Essalhi was involved in the murder of his brother Lee who was shot dead through the living room window of his family home on Rathoath Avenue, Finglas, on May 8, 2006, 18 months after a confrontation with car thieves.

Gardai do not believe that Mr Essalhi was involved in the murder.

This was not the first time that Kinsella has been convicted of a killing. The first person he is known to have killed was 86-year-old Thomas Forman - a retired auctioneer who was tending to his wife's grave in Glasnevin Cemetery on September 23, 1995, when he was mugged by the brutish criminal.

The victim had spent every Saturday for 21 years visiting the grave where his wife Ellen and their first child, a baby boy, were buried.

Kinsella, then aged 21, was jailed for eight years for manslaughter. The court heard he had smoked hash and took acid since he was 12.

Judge Cyril Kelly warned: "Unless this man is psychiatrically and psychologically treated while in custody he will remain a danger to society."

He was also jailed earlier by Judge Kelly for four-and-a-half years for robbing three bus drivers at knifepoint.

On July 30, 2004, the horror story of how he beat three young children with a belt and an electrical flex leaving them with multiple injuries was related in court.

He blamed them for their mother losing his baby. He pleaded guilty to three counts of cruelty to the children.

The bail ands sentencing laws in this country are a joke and career scumbags are aware of the fact.